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Dog limping and pain

Posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

My 80 pound black lab limps and is in pain, her back left hip or leg is giving her problems. She is about 1o or 11. Aspirins help but upset her stomach. I tried 50% DMSO but it seemed to make her worse. Any ideas on things to try?



Check for Lyme!

Posted by Micheleguru [20.829] on July 05, 2006 at 08:00:15:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

My neighbors dog had leg/hip issues and was in pain - it was lyme disease...she thought it was an injury.

One DAY on antibiotics helped the dog so much (she did keep it on longer but a few doses really helped)



Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by Ron [1928.2318] on July 05, 2006 at 08:20:04:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

Hi Cathy,

Larger breeds of dog can be susceptible to arthritis.
Ten years is a fair age for big dogs.
Do you know if this also affected her parents?
If the dog does not have her ovaries or is past menopause, bone loss is likely.

Aspirin may be bad in the long run..
Tylenol might be better.
http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/7788.html

If osteoarthritis is involved, then taking bone-strenghenting meds such as pamindronate can help to rebuild and support the cartilage of the joint.
(A dexa Bone Scan would show if osteoporosis is the problem.)
Here is a link which explains the reasoning.
http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/7923.htm

Ron



Re: Dog limping and pain

Posted by Barb [5186.1399] on July 05, 2006 at 08:24:40:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

Check out glucosimin for dogs.

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Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by lmd [4025.1399] on July 05, 2006 at 08:31:54:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution ) posted by Ron [1928.2318] on July 05, 2006 at 08:20:04:

Tylenol is supposed to be a no no for dogs.....
Labs at that age often have hip problems. Massage and acupuncture can help generally for limping.



Re: Dog limping and pain

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 05, 2006 at 08:49:49:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

examine her foot and pads for foreign objects and infection. If none, try an aspirin along with an ounce of bourbon.
There are people doing acupuncture and massage on dogs. You could take the dog for one session of massage, and, if it helps, do what you observed the masseuse doing.
If you feed the dog people food, avoid nightshades- potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant. Don't give the dog dairy. If might benefit from some omega 3's. Give it a raw egg every day and cheap cans of dark tuna that's meant for cats (the dark tuna is fattier than white).

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Re: Dog limping and pain

Posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 05, 2006 at 10:19:07:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

cod liver oil could help lube the joints. Glucosamine and MSM could also help. I had luck with Nature's Bounty Glucos along with Natrol MSM. You could also try heat on the hips and leg.

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Re: Take her to a vet..

Posted by Steve [3019.1399] on July 05, 2006 at 10:58:44:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

Find out what is causing her problem. Then you can look at how best to treat her.

Silver Fox!

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Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on July 05, 2006 at 12:16:14:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution ) posted by lmd [4025.1399] on July 05, 2006 at 08:31:54:

NO TYLENOL for dogs or cats. No aspirin, either, for dogs or cats, without an exam and specific dosage from a vet.

A holistic vet will have many more options (diet, supplements, bodywork) to offer than an allopathic vet, so consider seeing one for dx and treatment.

Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg



Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by Ron [1928.2318] on July 05, 2006 at 12:32:59:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution ) posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on July 05, 2006 at 12:16:14:

Hi Nutmeg,

All things in moderation should be the rule.
(Even chocolate has been said to be deadly to dogs.)

Here is an article that should explain. Do you know where you heard what you posted?
http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dnsaid.html

The Ulcers could be due to the fact that most dogs carry Helicobacter Pylori from all their hunting, drinking unclean water and eating food that may be less than suitable for human consumption.

Helicobacter and Nsaids have been associated with stomach ulcer formation in humans.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4304290.stm

Ron



Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps!

Posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:41:05:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

We have a couple of Lab mix pups .. who are now 12 and 13 yrs old. The oldest one " Jackie " has arhtritis pain every now and then and has some pain medication from the Vet to help her out. It helps a great deal and she runs and swims with the youngsters all of the time. :)

I think the medication is spelled ... Deramaxx

Please take yours to the Vet and get her checked. Arthritis doesn't have to mean it's time for your pet to be put to sleep but it does mean they need some medical help to ease the pain.

Last year we had to put our 14 year old Collie to sleep because he had arthritis so bad in his back. The pills from the Vet weren't working anymore and we knew it was time. We both really miss him. :(

Good luck to you!



Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 05, 2006 at 12:41:12:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution ) posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on July 05, 2006 at 12:16:14:

I heard that aspirin was ok for dogs, but not for cats, since they metabolize it 5X slower than others, so would be toxic if given in regular doses.



Re: Check for Lyme!

Posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:44:41:

In Reply to: Check for Lyme! posted by Micheleguru [20.829] on July 05, 2006 at 08:00:15:

Hey M .. how old was that dog do you know ?

Most older Labs have hip problems/Arthristis but if it's a younger dog I'd certainly have it checked for something like Lyme disease.

Good idea!



Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps!

Posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 05, 2006 at 13:31:37:

In Reply to: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps! posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:41:05:

Isn't Deramaxx a Cox-2 inhibitor like Celebrex and Vioxx?



Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by lmd [4025.1399] on July 05, 2006 at 14:47:53:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution ) posted by Ron [1928.2318] on July 05, 2006 at 12:32:59:

Ulcers can be stimulated because the dog stomach acid concentration is much greater that for human stomach acid. The aspirin, or other chemical contents, can then add an irritant. However, the stomach will also empty faster than that of a human, so aspirin is not usually a problem unless over used. I`ve used aspirin, and also codeine for serious problems in dogs, with no problems. For long standing arthritic problems, I`ve had good success with oral MSM.

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Re: Dog limping and pain

Posted by
Zarin [709.350] on July 05, 2006 at 17:17:39:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

My rottie had the same problem. The vet established that she was developing hip displacia(x-ray). We have her on glucosamine, calcium supplement with magenisium and D3. In addition we expose her to infra-red rays every day. I think the infra-red ray lamp has done wonders for her. She is walking on her own and is doing really well.



Deramaxx Web Site info and link ...

Posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 17:35:44:

In Reply to: Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps! posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 05, 2006 at 13:31:37:

Sadly Vince .. I know nothing about it because I have never looked it up. I just know that it works and I'm so happy about that because I don't want to lose "Jackie" but certainly don't want her in any pain.

I just found some info below .. as well as this .. "Both Rimadyl and Deramaxx are non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs." Non steroidal is good huh ? :)

Now I don't use Rimadyl because I've heard a lot of horror stories about it and my own dog had a reaction with HALF the dose recommended. But with the Deramaxx .. I haven't had any problems at all. ( knock on wood! )

Link below to the Official Web Site ...



Re: Deramaxx Web Site info and link ...

Posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 05, 2006 at 18:05:59:

In Reply to: Deramaxx Web Site info and link ... posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 17:35:44:

I hadn't heard about Deramaxx, but had heard of Rimadyl when someone suggested I get it for one of mine. I look up the name and Dangers, to read the Bad things about an item. Some people raved about it and some had horror stories. Looking up Deramaxx it sounds like it can cause the same problems as Rimadyl. I usually save drugs till I have exhausted every, what I consider safer option.

I don't know about with dogs, but a friend and my BIL had heart attacks on Cox-2 inhibitors, like the Co's are being sued for. The Co claimed that studies said you had to take it for more than 18mo for it to cause an attack. Now it is being said that the risk starts when you start taking it.

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Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps!

Posted by Charles [514.74] on July 05, 2006 at 18:08:30:

In Reply to: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps! posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:41:05:

Dizzy, if your other dogs get that bad, try some tobacco on them before you have them put down. It will work on arthritis.



Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps!

Posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 19:26:38:

In Reply to: Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps! posted by Charles [514.74] on July 05, 2006 at 18:08:30:

Thanks for the idea Charles .. I've never heard of it. Can you tell us more ?

I think I'll give it a try on Jackie. :)



Re: Dog limping and pain

Posted by LMD [4025.1399] on July 05, 2006 at 19:37:54:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain posted by Zarin [709.350] on July 05, 2006 at 17:17:39:

I use an infrared laser light on myself and the dogs. It is a good tool for easing pain, reducing inflamation/swelling, and increasing circulation and the immune system. (LLLT) low level light therapy

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Not sure of the age...

Posted by Micheleguru [6.829] on July 05, 2006 at 19:56:42:

In Reply to: Re: Check for Lyme! posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:44:41:

but my friends dog was 13ish, and everyone was saying "oh it's the age" and I was like, "uh we live in x county PA, you need to get it checked for Lyme" and it was. I was hoping that I was wrong.

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Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps!

Posted by Charles [514.74] on July 06, 2006 at 00:05:16:

In Reply to: Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps! posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 19:26:38:

I can show you a patent on Nicotinic Acid, it comes from Nicotine, for arthritis. I saw it and my sister happened to tell me one day she couldn't take Vioxx, and I told she should try tobacco, she had already tried it for an ear infection, which worked, so she did and her hands are much improved, so much improved that she doesn't soak them anymore. She did however say that she needs to get back soaking them some, like a booster shot, you know? She also said she only soaked them 2 or 3 times though.

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Re: Dog limping and pain Archive in ACP.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 06, 2006 at 06:57:37:

In Reply to: Dog limping and pain posted by Cathy [4682.2763] on July 05, 2006 at 07:40:14:

Cathy,

See the holistic vets archives and contact "The Whole Dog Journal" for the back issue about this.

Let us know what you learn and how she does.

I once had an Airdale that had stopped using her one back leg because of pain. After her leg atrophied, the son of one of my patients (who had done so well under my care) volunteered to come to my home and give her a free total body electroacupuncture treatment (he was a holistic vet) as a thank you for my help to his mother.

A one hour-long treatment put her to sleep, it was so relaxing, and within 2 weeks she began to use the leg. Within 6 months the leg had returned to normal and she never limped again for the last 10 years of her life.

Walt

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Re: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps!

Posted by LT [3952.1394] on July 07, 2006 at 02:13:27:

In Reply to: Our Labs have the same problem - Deramaxx helps! posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:41:05:

Deramaxx has also caused deaths in dogs, some dogs tolerate it more than others.

I would try acupuncture, chiropractic, and supplements first.

It's a no brainer to first try a quality glucosamine and chondroitin product.

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Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution )

Posted by LT [3952.1394] on July 07, 2006 at 02:15:38:

In Reply to: Re: Dog limping and pain (Possible solution ) posted by Vince F [4572.20] on July 05, 2006 at 12:41:12:

Many dogs can tolerate aspirin, though some will develop ulcers in just a few doses. also, aspirin speeds the break down of cartilage.

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Re: Check for Lyme!

Posted by LT [3952.1394] on July 07, 2006 at 02:17:12:

In Reply to: Re: Check for Lyme! posted by Dizzy Melissa [4561.2766] on July 05, 2006 at 12:44:41:

"Most older Labs have hip problems/Arthristis but if it's a younger dog I'd certainly have it checked for something like Lyme disease."

This makes no sense to me. Because the dog is older and might have arthritis, it doesn't deserve to be checked and treated properly???????

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