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Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Gregory on May 15, 2003 at 09:14:06:

In Reply to: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

Wow. life expectancy went up a whole month from 2000 for males. On the whole I found this information to be nearly worthless, although I thank you for posting it.
The problem is that not only is life expectancy nearly the same from earlier than a decade ago, but the article does not adequately address the critical quality of life issue, without which longevity is meaningless.

This is an interesting segue into a "killer cure" that mimics Caloric Restriction as an anti-aging therapy. One that I have 1st hand experience with.
The Life Extention Foundation is hailing it as a breakthrough, and gave it front page coverage on its mouthpiece magazine.
My experience with this drug was not nearly so glowingly wonderful, and in fact is what led me to stay here so long. I had hoped to find out more information on this drug and why it was proscribed with such abandon when the side effects were so pronounced and dangerous.
I was a noobie, and my experience was one of just millions that doctors and pharmeceutical companions routinely ignored in their quest for dollars.

I do believe the CR approach has much to recommed it, but unfortunately is, in the "land of plenty" the most difficult to voluntarily implement.



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 09:20:27:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Gregory on May 15, 2003 at 09:14:06:

Hi Gregory,

It was the CR aspect of the article that most interested me. Does anyone know why calorie restriction improves longevity. Also, I'm not sure I really understand it anyway. Do they mean carb restriction? Has anyone come up with the optimum calorie intake that will improve longevity?

Regards,
Maz



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Aaron on May 15, 2003 at 10:03:23:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Gregory on May 15, 2003 at 09:14:06:

Does this mean then that Alex Chiu's magnets.."theories" have absolutely NO EFFECT on longevity as he claims?
The magnets have to be somewhat of an issue here with this topic of longevity.
I have read soooooooo many testimonials over the last few days of how these magnets have improved people's health. Could all of those testimonials be fake?....Hundreds of them....from all different bbs and websites around the world! I broke down and ordered a pair and they should be here anyday. I am NOT a very gullable person either and I have already somehow been convinced that there really is some truth with the whole magnet theory and I haven't even tried them yet.....we shall see...or.... see shall we.

Just trying to learn more about all this stuff.
Aaron



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Gregory on May 15, 2003 at 12:03:59:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Aaron on May 15, 2003 at 10:03:23:

I haven't lived long enough to say definitively whether or not they work Aaron. We'll talk about it again 70 years hence. In the meantime, I expect that other anti-aging methodologies will come about, and probably supercede magnetic organic regeneration.

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Gregory on May 15, 2003 at 12:13:40:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 09:20:27:

CR seems directly related to the oxidative process. From a superficial/layperson perspective, oxidation "rusts" and wears out the body more than other processess, and introduces/starts free radical production. I'm guessing that restricting this process coupled with less burning/byproduct production puts less wear and tear on the "machinery."
There is a complete breakdown in the June 2003 issue, which I will link to when it becomes available on the site.

I remain skeptical however Maz, because of my experience with metaformin/Glucophage that this drug that mimics CR is of any use in AA.

I am continuing to look at CR as viable but difficult to do.

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Longevity. RECONSIDER THE STATS.

Posted by LINDA FFE on May 16, 2003 at 03:01:59:

In Reply to: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

If among 10 live births, 5 five died in the first year
and the other 5 live to be 80 years old.

What is the average life expectancy?

Most readers

will have

already

it out

to be

40 years.

Don't let orthodox pronouncements mislead you.

Linda

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity (Archive in aging.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 16, 2003 at 05:39:07:

In Reply to: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

Thanks, Maz.

Listen to Gregory since he seems to have the best handle on what this is about.

It is already established that all of these modalities certainly enhance the "quality of life"--especially in the last 1/3 of life, but not yet, provably, extend life much.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Steve on May 16, 2003 at 07:31:57:

In Reply to: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

Maz, I've been out of town for a few days but I want to put in my two cents..I have been reading The okinawa Program, a 25 year study on some of the oldest living people..Three things keep coming up..Diet, excerise and out look on life..So what else is new..Steve



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Vince F on May 16, 2003 at 07:54:40:

In Reply to: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

I tend to look at what what my parents and grand parents
did for the genetic background I have and what I see is
that the people who didn't live as long and suffered for
years before they died, didn't listen to their bodies and
thought strangers knew what was best for them.

My dad and I disagreed about suppliments and like you
mentioned, he said that something would take 6 months to
show any benefit. I don't remember him saying that anything
he took made him function better. He was always trying to
talk me into taking something even things like wheat germ
which I tried but didn't agree with me. He said he would
because it was Good for you. My mom had to have a bananna
every day for potassium and drink water though she told
me that after the 3rd glass it would make her gag. Though
they were active I suggested that they should exercise. My
did thought that was just for young people and he walked a
lot. My mom was going to and then teaching Weight Watchers
and I told her that exercise would help more. She said,
They didn't suggest it. It was like they didn't know what
They needed and needed someone to tell them. My dad did
things by the clock and wouldn't push to get something
done. I think he didn't want to over exert himself for fear
he would hurt himself.

My grandfather on the other hand was a maniac and he
seemed to know what he needed and wanted and Don't try to
tell him. he was put in a home to slow him dow and ate and
drank some things that made me wonder but then I don't
question success. I opt for my grandfathers life since he
was more alive and lived 20yrs longer and could have had
more and I may be close to him gene wise and temperment.



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by bing on May 16, 2003 at 08:00:18:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Steve on May 16, 2003 at 07:31:57:

Steve, there is something new (actually old)in the okinawa lifestyle though:

1. The strong, harmonious sense of community and the sense of well-being each individual experiences as an active part of that community. I don't see much of that in the western world--people seem more isolated/alienated from each other, and consequently more stressed, which leads to all sorts of health problems.

2. People there have a MUCH relaxed, slow tempo of life--they don't have rush hours, for instance.

3. The okinawa islands are also much less polluted in their air, water, and food than most part of the world.



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Steve on May 16, 2003 at 10:24:11:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by bing on May 16, 2003 at 08:00:18:

Bing, You are sooo right..Stress is a killer..We can take a lesson from the Okinawa's and slow down..Steve

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Steve on May 16, 2003 at 16:38:16:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Vince F on May 16, 2003 at 07:54:40:

Vince F, Remember your health is 20% genes and 80% what you do or don't do..Our parents didn't have the available info on health that we do..I have tried to learn from my parents poor health..Steve



Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Vince F on May 17, 2003 at 04:20:23:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Steve on May 16, 2003 at 16:38:16:

I don't know what % health is but my parents DID what was
considered to be healthy while my grandfather did what he
wanted to. Gramps once ate nothing but ice cream one day
and my mom complained because after having some for
breakfast he put it in the frige and she said he was going
to get sick and it would make a mess in the frige. He had
bought 2 half gals and didn't touch the other one for
months. He smoked 2 packs of Pall Mall's /day till he was
102. My dad was against smoking and gave me a hard time till
he had a massive heart attack at 70 and told me to do
what gramps did and not what he did.

As kids we got vitamins. Dad had to wrap the cod tabs in
chewing gum to make my older sister take them. I think she
Had to have gotten the oil since the tabs were sugar coated
and sweet and i used to save the gum and chew the pills.
She said she didn't get the oil but Can't eat fish since
she says it smells, Fishy..

My dad seemed to think if he ate right and walked but
Didn't do anything too strenuous he would be better off
than doing anything really physical he wouldn't damage anything. I
think he feared things and tried to protect himself while
gramps did what he wanted to.

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by Vince F on May 17, 2003 at 04:35:49:

In Reply to: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Maz on May 15, 2003 at 04:07:45:

I heard that people who stay active mentally don't have
the cognitive decline that others do Even though they have
what reasearchers though was damage that causes things like
alsheimers.

My 104 yr old grandfather used to read a lot and wrote to
friends daily. He was in heaven if he had writing paper,
envelopes, and pens. He said they were better than gold to
him. Watching him write one day I saw him look through a
bundle of envelopes with the recievers name on it and put
in a self adressed one. He said people don't like to write
like he did so all they had to do was write the note since
he supplied the addressed, stamped envelope to send back to
him.

Anther old timer I knew played cards every day and he was
just as sharp.

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Re: Good Advice For Longevity

Posted by NJ on May 21, 2003 at 10:33:35:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice For Longevity posted by Aaron on May 15, 2003 at 10:03:23:

Aaron....I also have ordered the magnets and haven't received them yet but I would love to talk to someone via e-mail about the effects they have on you. After you have worn them for a while, please get back on this website and posts your findings. Thank You.

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