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Ediet - End of day 18

Posted by North*Star [1110.571] on December 02, 2003 at 18:06:08:

At this point, I have found that my surely allergic foods are wheat, eggs, rice, black pepper and bell peppers. Those which I'm not sure are apples, kamut grains and dairy.

I've found some vegetables & fruits I could eat. So, starting from tomorrow, I'm going to test dairy and grains(rice will be tested again), each for 4 days 3 times a day.
Serum allergy testing is definitely more convenient as a prolonged elimination diet might introduce nutritional deficiences ( i lost 10 lbs in the last 2 weeks) though ediet screams out loud when I ingest an allergic food.
I didn't expect I'd have so many allergic foods as I never had any allergies prior to onset of RA (or at least no grave symptoms like runny nose, itching eyes, headaches etc).
Also labrat, can i start primal defense after day 21 while testing dairy/grains or do i need to stop them completely till ediet is over?

When do I do the pepto protocol?

Thanks
North*Star



Wow-

Posted by Maggie [64.74] on December 02, 2003 at 21:17:42:

In Reply to: Ediet - End of day 18 posted by North*Star [1110.571] on December 02, 2003 at 18:06:08:

Sounds like you've gotten some useful info. Congrats to you for sticking with it! So far, I've only had one episode of upset digestion, caused either by chicken (eaten soon before) or almonds, olive oil, or onions (eaten within a day or two). I'm abstaining from those foods and will re-test separately next week. I've decided not to worry about the 21 day limit, and to just keep on testing. Perhaps the response dies down somewhat, but surely if I'm really sensitive there will still be a reaction of some sort. I'm debating on when to test wheat and dairy, since those will definitely require 3-4 days without adding anything else. Continued best wishes to you as you keep testing...

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Re: Ediet - End of day 18

Posted by labrat [29.20] on December 03, 2003 at 07:58:59:

In Reply to: Ediet - End of day 18 posted by North*Star [1110.571] on December 02, 2003 at 18:06:08:

"Serum allergy testing is definitely more convenient as a prolonged elimination diet might introduce nutritional deficiences ( i lost 10 lbs in the last 2 weeks) though ediet screams out loud when I ingest an allergic food. "

You have not lost weight through "nutritional deficiences", North*Star, it is more likely that you have simply not eaten enough, or that inflammation has gone down and allowed your system to clean itself out.

Also technically, the "ediet" part of the protocol only lasts 6 days. The remainder is the testing phase. You should have added enough foods back in by now to have a decently well rounded diet.

Do not start primal defense while you are still testing anything else. It often causes a herxheimer reaction and would confuse any reaction you might get from the dairy and/or grains.

You will test either dairy or one grain at a time. McFerran believes that one reason so many folks test erroneously okay for wheat is that it's not a true allergy. It damages the gut lining over time - so a single serving might not do enough damage to cause symptoms. Repeated exposure however, will cause thegut to leak more and give symptoms. SO, even though these folks test wheat as a non allergen, it is still to be avoided! This is also the reason that dairy and wheat cause "delayed" reactions - their effect on your system is different that a true food allergy.

Hopet this helps.

Oh, the pepto should be done after all the testing is done...I don't think you'll want to do the primal defense before the pepto, so plan on doing the pepto first, and after we find out how you do on that, you can start with the PD and any other supplements you wish.

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Hi -

Posted by Michele [15.15] on December 03, 2003 at 10:03:00:

In Reply to: Ediet - End of day 18 posted by North*Star [1110.571] on December 02, 2003 at 18:06:08:

I was wondering why you didn't opt for the blood test from an allergist as opposed to doing an elimination diet.
Also - how can you tell if you are actually "allergic" or just "sensitive" to a food per the diet.
My allergist said that all foods in both catagories could be avoided but that only the allergy ones would be the ones you'd concentrate on..that many variables can make the latter "sensitive" and that the sensitivity may simply go away ..just as the allergy ones can. (but S ones more readily leave)
I'm asking because I was tested and the only allergy I have is corn...though he seems to think not upon ingestion, but possibly due to the corn stalk itself.



Re: Hi -

Posted by North*Star [1174.639] on December 03, 2003 at 10:11:10:

In Reply to: Hi - posted by Michele [15.15] on December 03, 2003 at 10:03:00:

I'm getting the test done next week. Many docs are not aware about the allergy testing from immuno labs. Not sure about sensitivity. Still testing to find current sensitivities.

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Re: Ediet - End of day 18

Posted by North*Star [1110.571] on December 03, 2003 at 13:31:00:

In Reply to: Re: Ediet - End of day 18 posted by labrat [29.20] on December 03, 2003 at 07:58:59:

Thanks Labrat. At the end of day 18, I feel much better than I have felt in the last 6 months. I still have joint pains but much reduced. Not like it was 20 days ago. More like a normal person. I'm also getting the serum allergy testing done next week. Here's the interesting thing. Immuno Labs mentioned that 3-6 months of avoidance of allergic foods usually eliminates the allergy forever. What do you say?

I heard all kinds of versions: allergic food can be eaten only once a week, food rotation diet every 4 days, allergy going away permanently.... which of these is correct?

If I didn't tell you this before, I'm telling you... You are a great guide!

North*Star



Re: Ediet - End of day 18

Posted by labrat [29.20] on December 04, 2003 at 08:10:10:

In Reply to: Re: Ediet - End of day 18 posted by North*Star [1110.571] on December 03, 2003 at 13:31:00:

Thanks North*Star. It's good to know I actually do help every so often!

I posted an excerpt frob Bob's book in a new post for you and Maggie...it should answer some of your questions about the "allergic forever" and rotation theories.

The final answer is that it will be different for everyone. YOU will have to test each food on YOUR body to determine whether it's worth including in your diet and at what level to include it.

Read more about it in my other post. In skimming all that stuff again, I was reminded how clearly McFerran explains it all - it will really help you to devour that, as Walt likes to say, and get a familiar understanding of the concepts. He reminds us that the main goal of all this is to cure your LGS...


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Re: Hi - (Clinical Ecologist vs "allergist".) Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on December 04, 2003 at 08:26:38:

In Reply to: Hi - posted by Michele [15.15] on December 03, 2003 at 10:03:00:

Michele,

Unless you are seeing a clinical ecologist the odds are that you will miss 95% of your hypersensitivities with conventional testing. Archives.

Walt

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