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Food Allergy Reaction

Posted by Vicki on November 27, 1998 at 11:39:40:

I had an interesting experience last evening. Some time ago I gave up drinking milk to see if it did much for my IC. What I noticed was that I almost immediately stopped bloating and the congestion I was always dealing with was markedly reduced. It took me awhile to go on to give up my yogurt at breaks at work and that just left buttermilk type salad dressings to stop.

After awhile you get used to how you are feeling without the symptoms and just accept the new you. I developed a bad cold (I stopped taking the Ester C after I was feeling better and it came back full force) and my appetite was so poor I treated myself to a carton of non-fat yogurt that's like ice cream over a 3-day period. The outside of my chin and neck itched like crazy and I had a very bad cough. All of this I related to my cold symptoms.

Then at Thanksgiving dinner last night I ate mashed potatoes that had been made with milk. By the time we were done eating, I could't stop coughing and my chin and neck were itching like crazy. It took me awhile to realize it probably was the milk as everything else I ate was pretty much my normal diet. This coughing continued for hours, eveytime I took in a breath I'd have another spasm it seemed.

So, I now know what a food allergy reaction can be like, which is moving me that much closer to the elimination diet.
Just thought I'd pass that along. Incidentally I had noticed the coughing after eating the yogurt at breaks but it took me awhile to associate it with the food. I had forgotten about that when I ate the ice cream like stuff when I was sick. This is all very interesting.

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Re: Food Allergy Reaction

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 27, 1998 at 17:01:27:

In Reply to: Food Allergy Reaction posted by Vicki on November 27, 1998 at 11:39:40:


Thanks for giving a firsthand experience as to how the 'masking phenomenon' works with hidden food allergens.

I know that the full elimination diet will serve you even better, as you have a very high probability of having at least a couple of other food allergens. Many folks that attempt to 'eliminate' one major food allergen (usually corn, wheat, milk, soy or yeast) will not notice ANY significant change in their symptoms since other food allergies are causing so many other symptoms that they 'mask' the effect of the food you eliminated.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you were lucky (if not a bit intuitive) that you chose milk to test. I've heard far too often just the opposite. A person will eliminate milk and not feel much of any difference in the crappy way they feel and pronounce that they don't have an allergy to milk. The truth is that they don't know -- they haven't really tested anything. I guess you could say that single food eliminations yield a lot of 'false negatives'.

Once you know what it feels like to be 'clear' you can make a knowledgable decision about whether to opt for feeling that way (clear) or the ice cream and IBS.

I really don't care what decision each individuals make. I just want them to have the choice.

Thanks again for sharing your experience.


Re: Food Allergy Reaction

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 28, 1998 at 18:01:41:

In Reply to: Food Allergy Reaction posted by Vicki on November 27, 1998 at 11:39:40:

Thanks, Vicki.

Thanks for sharing this with others. Just think how much suffering you might have been spared if you had read someone else's story about this years ago?

NOW is the time for you to go a month or so being PERFECT about eliminating ANY dairy products. Just think how much better you would feel then. THE SLIGHTEST TRACE OF YOUR ALLERGEN KEEPS MOST OF YOUR PROBLEMS IN PLACE; even though you will notice benefits from cutting down------which is basically what you have done so far.

Let us know how you do when you are REALLY getting benefits.


Another Take

Posted by VickiR on November 30, 1998 at 13:07:01:

In Reply to: Food Allergy Reaction posted by Vicki on November 27, 1998 at 11:39:40:

You may not be "allergic" to dairy products at all. It may be that, for some (correctable) reason yet to be uncovered, your body is unable to handle milk products.

In my late thirties, I began to have respiratory congestion--took me a couple of years to associate it with milk products, which I had consumed in large quantities all my life. I eliminated milk products from my diet, but over time more and more foods began to cause congestion. I found that taking hydrochloric acid tablets (even a tbsp of vinegar in a pinch) would relieve the congestion. Eventually I could tolerate small amounts of milk products--as long as I followed up with acid. So far, so good--but I was still treating symptoms, not causes.

Now, here's the interesting thing--last August, I started practicing skilled relaxation, and in the past couple of weeks have noticed a significant improvement in respiratory function, regardless of what I eat. I am still taking acid after meals (afraid to stop yet), but congestion has reduced to almost nothing, and I am actually beginning to look forward to a day when my digestion system will function normally again, and I can give up the supplemental acid.

Looking back, I realize that I was under a tremendous amount of emotional stress at the time my symptoms began, and I credit the skilled relaxation for the improvement I am currently experiencing.
My point is that you should keep an open mind about what is happening to you. Unless you've been coughing all your life, you are probably not "allergic" to milk. Maybe you simply haven't uncovered the real reason you are having this reaction to milk.

The Other Vicki

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Re: Another Take

Posted by Vicki on November 30, 1998 at 16:26:23:

In Reply to: Another Take posted by VickiR on November 30, 1998 at 13:07:01:

What you had to say is interesting, but I have been coughing all my life to some degree. We drank whole milk as kids and I constantly had to clear my throat or cough. I switched to 2% and then non-fat which helped but I still had congestion. I tried swithcing back to 2% andf even whole as a test a few times and it almost made me choke. Also, it apparently bloated me up significantly and that has vastly improved. I also practice the skilled relaxation and have found it very beneficial in numerous ways but not as far as congestion is concerned. My dust and mold allergies are really bad this time of year. I will be working on leaky gut next. Thanks.

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Re: Another Take

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 30, 1998 at 21:12:09:

In Reply to: Another Take posted by VickiR on November 30, 1998 at 13:07:01:


I just wanted to add to your comments so that you understand what is really going on with your experience with milk.

Don't kid yourslf by thinking that milk is no longer a stressor to your physiology (or Vicki's for that matter). It's still there -- but you have pushed your way back from the 'cliff' to the point where it no longer triggers significant symptoms with your practice of skilled relaxation.


I'm not saying that you shouldn't drink milk simply because it is a physiological stressor. Breathing air on the expressway is a stressor, a ringing telephone is a stressor, the holidays can be a stressor :).

Our job is to adress the maor stressors and the ones that we have some control over while increasing our immunological reserves to the point where that stressor will no longer push us into the area where we experience symptoms.

The best description that I've seen of what is really going on is in Dr. Stoll's book SAVING YOURSELF FROM THE DISEASE CARE CRISIS.


Re: Another Take

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 01, 1998 at 11:59:47:

In Reply to: Re: Another Take posted by Vicki on November 30, 1998 at 16:26:23:

Dear Vicki,

If you have been doing the SR correctly, you are ALREADY "working on the LGS". Congratulations!

The link from SR to food sensitivity (congestion) is indirect--
through the LGS to the immune system.

Some people might see less congestion just with the SR but most have to get past the LGS for about 6 months WHILE avoiding the thing triggering the congestion. If one still triggers the immune system once in a while one can keep the system exquisitely sensitive to this reaction. THIS IS THE WHOLE BASIS FOR TETANUS BOOSTERS, AFTER ALL. After about 6 months of total abstinence, the system "forgets" how to make food antibodies. Just like the system "forgets" how to make the tetanus antibody if one does not have a booster for 17 years. Then the entire series has to be repeated.

FORTUNATELY, food sensitivities do not take nearly that long.


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Re: Another Take

Posted by VickiR on December 01, 1998 at 14:31:06:

In Reply to: Re: Another Take posted by Walt Stoll on December 01, 1998 at 11:59:47:

Dear Walt,
Thanks for the clarification. Although I scrupulously and totally abstained from dairy products for several years, I was not doing SR during that time. Guess I have to go back to abstinence for awhile longer (sigh). (Actually, it's not difficult anymore--I've lost my taste for milk.)

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