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Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting...........

Posted by Amy on May 20, 2001 at 23:53:26:

I visited the archives under Elimination Diet. This seems like a difficult protocol for me. Is there an easier way or different way to do it. Thanks!

Amy



Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting...........

Posted by Sally on May 21, 2001 at 20:03:56:

In Reply to: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting........... posted by Amy on May 20, 2001 at 23:53:26:

Amy, I picked a time when the peaches were in season and delicious and so was trout. I liked most of the food on the diet so the only hard part was having to get meals for others. The citrate gave me a canker sore and I don't think you absolutely have to take it; perhaps a laxative. I don't feel the withdrawals were bad and I felt really good around the fifth day. Give it a try, although Walt doesn't think it is any better than just eliminating wheat, sugar and dairy to see if that identifies your allergies.



Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting...........

Posted by Amy on May 22, 2001 at 00:48:46:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting........... posted by Sally on May 21, 2001 at 20:03:56:

thanks Sally. Well, I have eliminated wheat, dairy, eggs, and the nightshade vegetables but it has not made a dent in the bloating, fatigue or joint pain. I am still eating other grains like teff, amaranth, oats....maybe I have a gluten problem??

Amy



Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy.

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2001 at 09:26:16:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting........... posted by Amy on May 22, 2001 at 00:48:46:

Hi, Amy.

You might find an easier protocol by seeing a good clinical ecologist but that will cost you.

The idea is to test one thing at a time and then forget that thing if there is no difference. That way you only have to be without one thing at a time. It is POSSIBLE that there might be things that only bother you when they are in combination with other things but trying that should not been done until all other reasonable things have ben eliminated.

It is true that doing this right is a drawn out process because the antibodies that these cellular hypersentitivities produce each last an average of 3 1/2 days. You might be testing for months.

Walt



Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting...........

Posted by Sally on May 22, 2001 at 23:27:36:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting........... posted by Amy on May 22, 2001 at 00:48:46:

Amy, the dilemma is finding all the foods you have become sensitive to... in order to heal your leaky gut. With a leaky gut, you become more and more sensitive to more and more foods. I'm afraid these chronic conditions invite chronic oversight. No quick fix, as they say. There's a thread below on osteoarthritis that might be helpful.
I think it is the "gliadin" in wheat that triggers the reaction. Plowing through the archives is probably the best way to figure out what may work for you. And ask Dr. Stoll specific questions as you go along. You could do a search on S.H.A.P.E.'s posts, very thorough.



Thanks Sally. I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and do this thing. Thanks a lot :) NMI

Posted by Amy on May 23, 2001 at 08:11:41:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an eaiser way to run the elimination diet? It seems like it can be very drawn out and daunting........... posted by Sally on May 22, 2001 at 23:27:36:

nmi



Re: Thanks Sally. I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and do this thing. Thanks a lot :) NMI

Posted by
Serge C. on May 23, 2001 at 20:13:38:

In Reply to: Thanks Sally. I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and do this thing. Thanks a lot :) NMI posted by Amy on May 23, 2001 at 08:11:41:

Hi Amy,

If you want a good advise, do it the right way and don't try to bypass the rules, at least at the beginning. It will save you time.

I have tried for almost a year to find my offending foods with partial testing trying to avoid the elimination diet. I found many of them this way but it was really complicated and it ask you to analyse a lot constantly. I was becomming nut! And I am a good troubleshooter, as an engineer at least. After all that time, I was better but still not symptom free.

Finally, I decided to do the elimination diet. I had the bad idea however to do it during winter. Given that the based diet is very light, I was in lack of energy and was suffering of the cold wheater. Given that it was obvious that I was a H-G, Robert suggest me to add lamb and olive oil to my diet. This was a mistake! My symptoms came back and I finally discover that I was reacting to olive oil. With further testing, I realised that I was not reacting well to every vegetable oil. You have to suspect everything, don't assume anything.

If you have multiple sensitivities, don't expect much by eliminating food one by one. You will not see the difference.

Serge



Thank you Serge, question for you..........

Posted by AMY on May 24, 2001 at 00:08:17:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Sally. I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and do this thing. Thanks a lot :) NMI posted by Serge C. on May 23, 2001 at 20:13:38:

What would you start the BASE diet as? I was thinking of using Ultra Clear Sustain (rice protein drink), carrots, brown rice, and maybe a few others that are low allergenic. I guess I do this for 7 days, then start the re-introduction? One food every 3 days I think it is. If no reaction, I add it to my base diet. If I am taking supplements like enzymes and fiber, could that skew my results? Thanks a lot for the reply

Amy :)



No, no no!!!

Posted by helper on May 24, 2001 at 08:26:42:

In Reply to: Thank you Serge, question for you.......... posted by AMY on May 24, 2001 at 00:08:17:

All eliminstion diets are not the same - Serge is right, you want to do it right the first time!

Look in the archives for Robert McFerran's elimination diet - actually it's Mansfield's - many have been successful at finding their allergies with that protocol.

during the elimination phase, NO grains, no processed stuff, such as protein drinks, at ALL - that would be a VERY complex food item to eat with all teh ingredients!

during testing (and after, if you really want to stay healthy) - only whole fresh foods.

read everything you cna before starting this .
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hope this helps

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p.s. - no supplements (esp. C) during elimination, you have to test those too. nmi

Posted by helper on May 24, 2001 at 08:28:05:

In Reply to: Thank you Serge, question for you.......... posted by AMY on May 24, 2001 at 00:08:17:

nmi

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Re: Thank you Serge, question for you..........

Posted by
Serge C. on May 26, 2001 at 11:25:29:

In Reply to: Thank you Serge, question for you.......... posted by AMY on May 24, 2001 at 00:08:17:

Hi Amy,

Helper is right with no! no! no!. You really need to read a lot before to start because you are mixed-up. If you have trouble sorting out the information here in the archives, you can go at this link:

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/rwgully/theories.htm

It is a very nice and up-to-date site where you can find all Robert McFerran diets. However, the mixed type diet on this site doesn't seam correct because it doesn't make sense for me and it is not the same as the one you would find here. Take care because the H-G diet you will find here with the link in the archives list is not correct. It's an old version where all grains are allowed and a few other things. In the right version, no grains are allowed. I think a cleanup should be made in these archives, but this is not my business. I already told Robert at this subject.

Take care and good luck

Serge

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Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy.

Posted by Carl on May 26, 2001 at 16:19:01:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy. posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2001 at 09:26:16:

Earlier in this post someone, I think Sally, said that you somewhere indicated that as a start giving up wheat, dairy, and sugar may be as good of a start as the full elimination diet. Is that true? I looked around and did not find that anywhere. It seems to me that while these are often major offenders, you can be allergic to about anything, right ?



Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy.

Posted by Sally on May 27, 2001 at 17:15:45:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy. posted by Carl on May 26, 2001 at 16:19:01:

Carl, I was just relating Walt's philosophy about finding reactive foods. He suggests it is easier to begin with the most prevalent causes, i.e. wheat, etc. If that doesn't work, you could try (as he says to Amy above) one food at a time but that could take a long, long, long time for one with many allergies. Bob's elimination diet is made up of those foods that cause the least provocation but I guess there is disagreement on what they truly are. But at least you could try to clear yourself for a while with that list of foods; and if you find some relief, it is definitely worth a try.



Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy.

Posted by Carl on May 27, 2001 at 18:13:39:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy. posted by Sally on May 27, 2001 at 17:15:45:

So getting rid of the most troublesome food for most people can be the start, and if there still seems to be a problem, then the elimination diet ?

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Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy.

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 28, 2001 at 10:24:06:

In Reply to: Re: Is there an easier way to run the elimination diet? (Protocol.) Archive in allergy. posted by Carl on May 26, 2001 at 16:19:01:

Hi, Carl.

The immunological response to refined carbohydrates is only similar to the ones to specific substances like dairy, wheat, peanuts, eggs, etc. If it were ME, I would do one thing at a time and only combine things if I still had ANY symptoms after finding a few triggers.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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