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Posted by Martha on September 23, 2001 at 19:39:06:

I asked you about food allergy testing by IgE and IgG immunoglobulins. Walt, you said it only detects 5% of allergies. Didn't you mean all allergies, not just food? How does that compare to the Elisa test (enzyme linked immunoabsorbent assay) and the Alcat test (see Alcat.com) which claims accuracy but doesn't say what is measured. I have had bio-energetic food testing which uses five meridians and showed a lot of sensitivities but the DC who did it didn't seem to feel it was very reliable. I am interested in soy, milk, and wheat. Only corn, carrots and oysters showed up positive in IgE, IgG testing. The Alcat costs $265 and I really can't afford that in this year of
reduced income. I don't have chemical sensitivities. I also have had magnet enhanced testing by kinesiology. Which of all this is the best? I am confused. What does a
clinical ecologist test? Martha



Re: Food Allergies

Posted by Helping you on September 23, 2001 at 23:37:39:

In Reply to: Food Allergies posted by Martha on September 23, 2001 at 19:39:06:

The most accurate food allergy BLOOD test is the ELISA IgG IgE antibody testing from one specific lab---Immuno Labs. Their test is consistantly reliable and is more than 94% accurate. I believe this to be easier and far more accurate than the food challange. I also think it is safer. People tend to go on food elimination diets for months. Even then, people do not find ALL of their allergies. Also, in the food challange process, ones digestive system can run amuck. Eating in this strange way for months can cause digestive imbalances. The reason I say this is because nobody can effectively run an elimination diet and have it take less than one month. It takes 2 weeks just to be desensitized to your current allergies. Then, it can take up to 2 months or even longer to run the whole process. If an allergy is confirmed, one would have to go back to a safe diet for at least 3 days, possibly 4 days, before trying again. I have known people to run these types of diets for 6 months or longer. The ironic thing is, the very "safe" foods that are used for this length of time end up becoming allergens because they are eaten every day during the elimination diet. People are supposed to be adding every non-allergenic food to their diet and then eat on a rotation basis. This is great in theory but it does not work out very well practically. This is because most people are not left with enough foods to eat, especially in the begining stages. I think this type of plan does nothing but imbalance the body. I would rather get a blood test is proven in clinical studies to be over 94% accurate. I don't think people are that accurate running an elimination diet. Human error is a huge issue. People have lives, busy lives and running this thing perfectlty is a force to reckin with. This is just about the ONLY areas I disagree with Dr. Stoll on. He is in favor of the elimination diet. I suppose they both have advantages. However, I would still go with Immuno Labs ONLY because they are so accurate. If the test were 75% accurate or less, I might consider an elimination diet. But with such accurate results, why put yourself through the difficulty. Since most delayed allergies are caused by leaky gut and faulty digestion, the effort should be pointed at dealing with these issues. If you can identify some main trigger foods in your diet, great! It will help heal the LGS. If not, a good rotation diet, SR, L-glutamine, and a powerful digestive enzyme will usually resolve delayed allergy problems. If they are IgE reactions (classic), Elimination diets can be deadly. Contact Immuno Labs for more. I hope this can be of help to you. Since Dr. Stoll will probably give you the other side of the coin, you should be left with 2, possibly 3 different paths that may work well for you.



Re: Food Allergies

Posted by Cindy on September 24, 2001 at 09:09:16:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies posted by Helping you on September 23, 2001 at 23:37:39:

Hi Helping,
Do you have a web address or a telephone number for Immuno labs that you could provide? My internet search turned up Immunosciences labs...is this the same lab?
Thanks!



Re: Food Allergies

Posted by Doug on September 24, 2001 at 12:20:37:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies posted by Cindy on September 24, 2001 at 09:09:16:

Cindy,

Better Health U.S.A. handles the test. For some reason, I couldn't get their website to work, www.betterhealthusa.com. However, you can contact them at (800) 684-2231. Hope this helps.

Doug

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Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 2001 at 10:14:52:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies posted by Helping you on September 23, 2001 at 23:37:39:

Thanks, Helping You.

This test does find 94% of the IGE, IGG serum allergies but those are the 5% I have been talking about. The Elisa test is totally incapable of finding cellular hypersensitivities which are the ones that make up the other 95%.

You still need to learn more about what the Clinical Ecologists are saying.

NONE of us knows everything. We all can help each other end up at a better place.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Food Allergies

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 2001 at 10:15:44:

In Reply to: Food Allergies posted by Martha on September 23, 2001 at 19:39:06:

Hi, Martha.

See my response to Helping You.

Walt

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Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Helping you on September 25, 2001 at 12:15:11:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 2001 at 10:14:52:

Hi Walt,

My understanding is that 95% of allergies are delayed hypersensitivities. The antibodies responsible for attacking these antigens are IgG-related. As far as I know, there are only 4 Major classes of antibodies: IgA, IgM, IgE and IgG. Then, you have sub-classes like IgG1,IgG4, and so on. Most labs only test for IgE (The classic allergy), and 1 class of IgG. This is why they get such poor results. They miss many hypersensitivities due to this. Immuno Labs tests IgG-1, IgG-2, IgG-3, IgG-4, IgE, IgA, IgM. Their clinical studies have consistantly shown that they catch at least 94% of hyperensitivities. This is evident by the reversal of symptoms associated with these allergies. I would think that if this is only the 5% you are talking about, such dramatic results would NOT be achieved but strangely they are. I have seen evidence of partial to complete reversal of LGS, Skin conditions, arthritis, fibro, chronic fatigue, virtually every known disease state. If this is the case with only 5%, I couldn't imagine what would happen with the addition of the other 95%. I also have one more comment that maybe you can shed some light into. Immuno Labs tests for 115 foods. In the scheme of things, this really isn't a lot but if you consider that most people eat only 15-25 foods over and over again, we realize this is a lot of foods. Now,...Most people, on their test report, will see anywhere between 10 and 20 foods appear on their REACTIVE list. Some will see 30-50 but this is less-common. If this is only 5% of what COULD be found, there would be no foods left to consume because having 50 foods being reactive is already 50% of 115 foods. If in actuality, this is only 5% of what could be found, the amount of foods one would be allergic to would be in the 300-400's. Either the technology has gone beyond what you are refering to, or there is something I am mixing up. I had terrific success with my list. Upon re-testing, the list went from 15 foods to 4 foods. I now consime everything on a rotation basis and I am accomplishing two things: 1) I am preventing new allergies from forming, 2) I am consuming a wide-variety of foods.

I think that everyone has a few foods that cause MAJOR distress, but these foods shouldn't be difficult to find. Most of the time, they are simply the foods we are eating on a daily basis. They are also the foods we tend to crave the most. We say, "Take away anything but my _________!". After these main trigger foods have been found, I don't even think it is needed to find every single food that is causing some kind of a reaction. If one would simply rotate the foods every 4-5 days, this would be a long enough time-frame to actually treat the allergy. After all, most sensitivities go away by simply not eating them for a while. I have found a good rotation to be effective in treating them as well. When we handle LGS, Dysbiosis, and digestive difficulties, it is almost completely unneeded to deal with large amounts of food sensitivities. I am more against elimination diets (for the majority of people) mostly because it gets people paying attention to every little noise their body makes. I think it adds to the anxiety rather than alleviates it. If I am wrong regarding this particular ELISA test, then all I have to say is WOW!!!!!! 5% of the allergies have been found yet people are seeing reversal in conditions that have gone on for years in some cases. That must be a very powerful 5%. Take care! - Helping You



Re: FOOD ALLERGIES

Posted by
Linda on September 26, 2001 at 10:07:42:

In Reply to: Food Allergies posted by Martha on September 23, 2001 at 19:39:06:

Martha,
Any food that you are allergic to will cause your pulse to increase. You can cet a pulse metre at a good sports store, for less than $50, probably less than $25.
To check: take your pulse, then eat suspect food, then every 5 - 10 minutes for 15 - 30 minutes check oulse again. Write downyour results and you'll soon see what you are sensitive to.
Then look up METAGENICS, who have very effective and inexpensive desensitising remedies (they're homeopathic), ask them for for a pracricioner in your area.
Before I found METAGENICS I was ready to ... quit.
Linda



Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 27, 2001 at 09:14:22:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Helping you on September 25, 2001 at 12:15:11:

Thanks, Helping You.

Some of what you have shared here is new to me. Thanks.

However, I would have to offer this perspective:

The only reason I focus on food hypersensitivities is that food is the easiest environmental stressor to change. There are more than half a million other environmental chemicals, alone, that participate in this problem. The very fact that we do not have to eliminate more than a few of the multitude likely combining to cause any clinical signs, to get results from those signs and symptoms, proves the resilience of the human bodymind.

It was MY understanding that "tissue hypersensitivities" have no relationship to the serum antibodies represented by the fractions you have listed--other than for the symptoms they cause.

I stand ready to be corrected.

Walt



Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Helping you on September 28, 2001 at 01:01:59:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 27, 2001 at 09:14:22:

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Hi Walt,

I couldn't agree more. I also believe that addressing the cause(s) of the hypersensitivites may make it obsolete to deal with the sensitivities themselves in many cases.

It seems that the lack of variety in our diets, the lack of purity in our diets, and the chronic stress effect are largely responsible for these hypersensitivities. Most people eat a diet composed of 15 to 25 foods. They eat these foods over and over again. When doing an elimination diet or the ELISA test, most people probably find they are sensitive to the foods that they eat the most. I think a simple, yet powerful solution to the hypersensitivity problem would be to eat whole foods on a rotational basis or eat according to the seasons. In paleolithic times, man couldn't eat cherries, then meat, then bananas, then have a twinkie, and continue to eat these foods all year round. He might have pigged out on cherries for 3 months, but the was deprived of them for the rest of the year. This way, no antibodies could be made against the food. As you have been saying for years, LGS is the main trigger for hypersensitivies. Although I agree, I believe that most people would not have the difficult time with the hypersensitivities they are having if they would only rotate their foods. So, I suppose, whatever the method one uses to test for sensitivities, means nothing if the frequency of the food eaten is not considered. And lastly, there is definitely a digestion issue when it comes to this. Some people just cannot digest certain foods. These foods, therefore, are more likely to become hypersensivities in the long run. To my way of thinking, the best (maybe I mean the easiest, but still powerful) way of dealing with this may be:
1) Practicing SR
2) eating pure whole foods on a rotational basis/Seasonal basis
3) Avoiding the worst offending foods. The ones that provike symptoms that are just not livable. I mean, if an apple causes you to sneeze a few times but that's it, I would still eat apples on a rotation basis. But, if it gives me severe cramps followed by diarhea, you can believe that this food will NOT be on my plate. Maybe hunting down every little allergen is not needed. It makes sense that a rotation diet can prevent allergies as well as treat existing hypersensitivities. The antibodies will eventually be lessened as long as the food is not eaten too frequenty (possibly every 4-7 days).

Take care, and thanks for all of your great wisdom. It has helped many, including yours truely! Thanks again

-Helping You



Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Lacphobe on September 28, 2001 at 09:54:21:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Helping you on September 28, 2001 at 01:01:59:

Interesting. To take up the point of trouble digesting food leading to sensitivities to that food - I'm now seeing a case of lactose intolerance later being followed by a dairy sensitivity. I wonder if the two are related.
Does anyone know if lactose intolerance is a lifelong problem?



Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by JoanNAz on September 28, 2001 at 10:37:23:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Lacphobe on September 28, 2001 at 09:54:21:

I can't answer your question but from what I've read the relationship between lack of enzymes and allergies is well documented. . . .

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Re: FOOD ALLERGIES (Pulse testing) Archive in allergies.

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 28, 2001 at 12:20:38:

In Reply to: Re: FOOD ALLERGIES posted by Linda on September 26, 2001 at 10:07:42:

Thanks, Linda.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 29, 2001 at 09:02:21:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Lacphobe on September 28, 2001 at 09:54:21:

Hi, Lacphobe.

Lactose intolerance is a genetic trait so it is life long.

However, with the lactase tablets now available this does not have to be a problem.

In MY opinion, there are now so many serious reasons to avoid dairy in our diets that the lactose intolerance is just a bother.

Walt

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Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 29, 2001 at 09:09:07:

In Reply to: Re: Food Allergies (Archive in allergy.) posted by Helping you on September 28, 2001 at 01:01:59:

Thanks, Helping You.

Right on!

Until the Agricultural Revolution, humans ate an average of 150,000 different species of foods. The Agricultural Revolution immediately dropped that number to 10,000. Now that we only eat an average of 15-20 foods the wide variety of micronutrients we need as a species seeking ideal health is gone.

The human genome project has already shown that individual micronutrients work as messages to our genes to help them do their jobs at peak efficiency.

Is is any wonder that this generation is showing so many new diseases and greatly increased incidences in the older chronic conditions?

Walt

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