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Sleeplessness by 4 year old

Posted by
CG on September 16, 2002 at 05:08:52:

I have a four year old daughter who used to sleep through the night a lot of the time, but since the age of 2 and getting chicken pox she has not slept through the night other a handful of times. We have been to see our GP/Health Visitor with no positive conclusion to this problem. My husband and I are at the end of our tether. Desparately need to find a partial solution to this!!

Do you think a cranial Osteopath would help??



What does your daughter eat?

Posted by labrat on September 16, 2002 at 10:15:38:

In Reply to: Sleeplessness by 4 year old posted by CG on September 16, 2002 at 05:08:52:

You might get a more complete response if you describe a typical day in her life as well as any other info might help us to help you. What is her diet like? A lot of times food allergies can cause hyperactivity in children. Is she on any medications?

~~~8>



Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old

Posted by dstone on September 16, 2002 at 14:18:32:

In Reply to: Sleeplessness by 4 year old posted by CG on September 16, 2002 at 05:08:52:

Does she tell you why she wakes up? I am sure you have tried a hundred different techiques by now. My daughter started dreaming around the age of 2 and 1/2 and noticing all sorts of shadows and sounds. We played soft music and that seemed to help. I also noticed that on days she ate sugar she would seem very restless. She rarely ever eats sugar of any kind other than what she gets from fruit. Hang in there I know what sleep deprivation can do to both of you.



Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 2002 at 07:46:37:

In Reply to: Sleeplessness by 4 year old posted by CG on September 16, 2002 at 05:08:52:

Hi, CG.

Listen to dstone & labrat.

This likely IS the first sign of severe ADHD or hyperactivity (if nothing is done about the cause) and now is the easiest time to do something about it.

See the brain chemistry archives to start.

If this were MY child, I would immediatly get her checked for pinworms and (if positive) see if treating them will resolve this at once.

If not, I would immediately get her started on a whole foods diet and some whole food concentrates along with the EFAs on the home page.

Let us know how she is doing in a few months.

Walt



Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by dstone on September 17, 2002 at 10:17:48:

In Reply to: Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 2002 at 07:46:37:

I thought about pinworms also, they become active at night. Good Luck

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Re: What does your daughter eat?

Posted by CG on September 20, 2002 at 06:41:16:

In Reply to: What does your daughter eat? posted by labrat on September 16, 2002 at 10:15:38:

Thanks for note. Typical day of my daughter. She wakes at about 7am and has a bottle of warm milk. Breakfast of toast/cereal at 7.30am, halfway through morning possible a piece of fruit (apple/banana) or box of raisins. Lunch either beans/spagetti or cheese on toast, packet of crisps & piece of fruit. My daughter has been at a childminders all day usually drawing/painting/watching TV or writing. Dinner time usually about 6.15pm meat & veg or meat & pasta, yoghurt. Once dinner is over she goes back to drawing, writing or jigsaw puzzle. Bath time usually about 7.15pm. Then it quiet time from 7.30pm watching television with myself and husband. She normally has a bottle of milk at 8pm and then falls asleep on the sofa. We have tried everything to get her to go to her bed, but since her chicken pox incident she just creates a lot problems to go to sleep in her bed. She then is usually awake between 12.30am and 1.30am comes into our bed wants some milk and then will not return to her own bed. We are at the end of our tether in trying to get her to stay in her own room.



Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old

Posted by
CG on September 20, 2002 at 06:46:36:

In Reply to: Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old posted by dstone on September 16, 2002 at 14:18:32:

Thanks for that. We have tried several things, even to the point of putting her back in her own bed and waiting until she has gone back to sleep, quite why she then wakes after 1 hours asleep only to come back into our room/bed, I don't know. On waking in the middle of night she just says she does like her own room and wants to be with mum and dad - which is obviously no good to us. I am hoping that this will change as she is just about to start school.



Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by
CG on September 20, 2002 at 06:51:51:

In Reply to: Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on September 17, 2002 at 07:46:37:

Thanks for this piece of information, it has certainly got me thinking. I have to now really do something out this as it cannot carry on the way it has been. I will definitely update the board with any developments.

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Re: What does your daughter eat?

Posted by labrat on September 20, 2002 at 10:23:32:

In Reply to: Re: What does your daughter eat? posted by CG on September 20, 2002 at 06:41:16:

Two of the most common allergies are to dairy and wheat. Your daughter seems to have both of these foods in nearly every meal! Her diet also seems very high in carbs and sugars. Those things can also trigger nervous energy.

I suggest you continue to read on this board about whole foods, food allergies and also take Dr. Stoll's suggestions and learn about whole foods. You have a ton of information here and people who are usually willing to help. It will be hard to change your daughter's diet and your family's too perhaps, as well as how you look at food, but in the end it will be worth it.

Good luck and keep us posted on how you do!

~~~8>




Re: What does your daughter eat?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 21, 2002 at 07:44:50:

In Reply to: Re: What does your daughter eat? posted by labrat on September 20, 2002 at 10:23:32:

Thanks, labrat!

The most likely way to get the quickest results for this family would be to TOTALLY eliminate wheat and dairy for a few weeks to see what happens.

I hope they will first learn how to do that and then let us know what happens.

Just doing that would eliminate this problem in more than 95% of cases---UNLESS the pinworms thing solves the problem.

Walt

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Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 21, 2002 at 07:47:11:

In Reply to: Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old posted by CG on September 20, 2002 at 06:46:36:

Thanks, CG.

IF her pinworm test was negative, the next thing is to learn how to do a perfect elimination/provocation diet (see my response to labrat today).

Walt

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Re: Sleeplessness by 4 year old

Posted by
CG on November 03, 2002 at 06:51:02:

In Reply to: Sleeplessness by 4 year old posted by CG on September 16, 2002 at 05:08:52:

Thanks all for your recent notes. I have changed a lot of dietary things in our household. Since changing food habits in our household my daughters sleeping is no better. Cutting out most E numbers and reducing the number of sweet foods she has to once a week. She still insists on her milk when she wakes and before she goes to bed.

We have found now since she has started school she has become very hyperactive and that she wants to learn a variety of things all the time, which is not helping with her sleeping through the night as now her brain seems not to want to sleep and is switched on all the time.

I have now made an appointments to visit a cranial osteopath and a homeopathic consultant. I am hoping this will start to resolve some of the issues with her sleeping and her hyperactivity.

If anyone has anything further that would be great and I will keep you posted on our developments with the osteopath and homeopath.

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