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What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by
Gregory on October 09, 2002 at 14:12:40:


A scam.

From the American Psychiatric Association's book Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV)

*From the Associated Laboratory findings section:

" There are no laboratory tests that have been established as diagnostic in the clinical assessment of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder." (pg. 81)

" Although most individuals have symptoms of both inattention and hyperactivity-impulsivity, there are some individuals in whom one or the other pattern is predominant." (pg. 80)

The book goes on to list three subtypes of ADHD. A contradiction is found in the Prevalence (.....) section when it is stated "The prevalence of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder is estimated at 3%-5% in school-age children. Data on prevalence in adolescence and adulthood are limited." (pg. 82)

Here is more on what is looked for in determining if a child has ADHD. "It is very unusual for an individual to display the same level of dysfunction in all settings or within the same setting at all times. Symptoms typically worsen in situations that require sustained attention or mental effort or that lack intrinsic appeal or novelty (e.g., listening to classroom teachers, doing class assignments, listening to or reading lengthy materials, or working on monotonous, repetitive tasks), Signs of the disorder may be minimal or absent when the person is under very strict control, in a novel setting, is engaged in especially interesting activities, in a one-to-one situation (e.g., the clinicianís office), or while the person experiences frequent rewards for appropriate behavior." (pg. 79/80)

What about other testing that has shown, after 5 years, children that had been diagnosed with ADHD (that were not given drugs or therapy to treat ADHD) tested to be on the same level or hyperactivity scale as the "normal" children. Did ADHD simply vanish? Here is DSM-IVís statements. "As children mature, symptoms usually become less conspicuous. By late childhood and early adolescence, signs of excessive gross motor activity (e.g., excessive running and climbing, not remaining seated) are less common, and hyperactivity symptoms may be confined to fidgetiness or an inner feeling of jitteriness or restlessness." (pg. 81)

This is a quote from Lawrence Diller, M.D. of the University of California, San Francisco. Dr. Diller attended the 1996 DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) Conference on Stimulant Use in the treatment of ADHD and had this to say "The reason why you have been unable to obtain any articles or studies presenting clear and confirming evidence of a physical or chemical abnormality associated with ADHD is that there is none".

Quote from Fred Baughman Jr., M.D., Pediatric Neurologist. "We are not "over diagnosing" or "misdiagnosing", ADHD is a total, 100 per cent fraud. The many millions of schoolchildren around the world who are being drugged have no disease. Had the vast majority of these children learned to read properly, utilizing phonics, they would never have been labeled as having ADHD or any other "learning disorder."

"Hyperactivity, despite all of the "Medical" terms, is no more than motion. A parent or teachers ability to experience and handle motion, solely determines if that child is viewed hyperactive. A child that is viewed hyperactive in one family or classroom may very well be viewed as normal in another that deals well with random motion." James Harper

If The Above Is True Why All The Press On Curing A Non-Existent Condition?



What is Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 10, 2002 at 08:15:45:

In Reply to: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by Gregory on October 09, 2002 at 14:12:40:

Thanks, Gregory.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 04:45:47:

In Reply to: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by Gregory on October 09, 2002 at 14:12:40:

It is by NO means a scam... I speak from experience and have adult ADD. If people truly have ADD they understand what i'm talking about. 90% of the individuals in prison have ADD or ADD symptoms and comorbid conditions. I could go on for days and hours about this, but currently i'm tired. SPECT and PET scans show underactivity in the frontal lobes more specific the inferior orbital part of the prefrontal cortex. This is the strongest deficit of ADD biologically and why ADD individuals are very impulsive. It is far off the only deficit biologically also. ADD and ADHD are two different things.

AD/HD individuals have 'too' much alpha wave activity and they also have problems with their recticular activiating system. This is the reason ADD individuals have trouble learning and/or to stop chronic daydreaming. Any TRUE AD/HD individual will self medicate, it's a given. If they know about it or not, they ALWAYS DO. This can be anywhere from substance abuse to chronic arguing, this all stimulates activity in the prefrontal cortex. Having 'true' ADD and getting on a medication that works and is tollerated well by the individual is like day and night. It's like putting glasses on for your brain. Are MANY kids misdiagnosed due to a capitalistic profit or the parents can stand their kids energy due to THEIR problems of embarassment ? Of course....Is it right? Of course not... The bottom line is true ADDers need to be treated to the extent or severity of their underactivity whether this is pharmacologically, by supplements and exercise, biofeedback and learning strategies, or all of the above... ADD is genetic and you can see it down the family tree....
Like I said I could go on for hours, but it is by NO means a scam.



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 04:47:51:

In Reply to: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by Gregory on October 09, 2002 at 14:12:40:

Watch in the upcoming years, that DSM criteria from the AMA is a total joke and completely wrong..
The leading researchers in the field have developed their own criteria that is far more superior than the AMA crap.



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 05:32:08:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 04:45:47:

By the way, symptoms do not vanish as you get older, adults just learn to copewith them after many years which makes it appear as they diminished or calmed down considerably. All that documentation posted is considered 'ancient'. Fred Baughman Jr is the biggest joke i've read about in a long time. What's funny is this arbitrary physician comes out with these claims solely on his observations over time and everyone jumps on his bandwagon and capitalistic profit. The AMA and him are no different on terms of making claims and providing mediocre evidence for disorders or viewpoints for financial gain.


Don't get me wrong I do believe in biophysics and the ability of a humans willpower. I also don't underestimate the power of the brain.

Just to make this clear.....

AD/HD has absolutely nothing to do with the basis of hyperactivity that is only a symptom and in my opinion a POSITIVE symptoms if the negatives can be controlled...

The rational thinking about having blood tests, etc. to make or break the accuracy or existence of a disorder or debate is meaningless. That same rational/thinking can be used with skilled relaxation and it's ability to reverse chronic disorders.

Einstein was believed to have ADD and his IQ I believe was tested at 160 even though was considered much higher because he took longer than 'normal' people on tests . That was his only major deduction, but on a traditional ridiculous IQ test, time matters....



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 06:19:34:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 04:47:51:

I think that ADD/ ADHD is a good description for a specific set of symptoms, or a syndrome that definitely exists. I think I have had a form of it myself, and have realised it only recently.

What you're saying seems quite plausible and convincing. I wonder if you could give some more information on sources? You mentioned new criteria being developed. Could you provide some references (books, articles etc.)? I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by Jan S. on October 11, 2002 at 07:05:23:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 05:32:08:

Interesting, I meant to reply to you last week, but I got distracted :) After you wrote, I read up on the new categories (Daniel Amen) of 6 types of ADD and the SPECT scans to diagnose them, is this what you are referring to? You obviously know a lot about this firsthand, so I thank you (belatedly) for taking the time to respond.

This is the thing... the idea that I'd HAVE TO take something for my mental state for the rest of my life is more than I can bear. Then again, I come from a psychiatric family full of depressed people where drugs are the answer to everything and I am the black sheep of the family since I disfavor that approach.

True, there is a ton of b.s. going on in schools and diagnosing kids and medicating them, but neither do I buy into the line that the ADD/ADHD research is "all" bogus and profit-motivated. The distinctions are fascinating and I think real and important. It just disturbs me that the bottom line of a lot of this research is a drug and it seems to stop there. Identifying the condition is just the beginning of the story - it should not end with medication. But then, that fits into the current paradigm and a lot of doctors and patients are going to be content to stop with medication. I suppose that's inevitable.

As for self-medicating - I have done quite a bit of that .... And oh the irony, someone who is anti-drug fesses to self-medicating... :) The difference (not a rational one I concur) is that when you self-medicate you tell yourself you can stop, and you WANT to stop. When you get prescribed something, you end up BELIEVING IN it and that scares me.

Have you thought through how you are going to get off the drug/drugs? (if you are) You seem to know a fair amount about the wellness side of the equation.



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 17:26:32:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 06:19:34:

My opinion is attention deficit disorder is the WORST definition or classification of this disorder. Attention and hyperactivity are symptoms caused from the disorder but by no means are they the 'root' symptoms of the disorder. The main problem with this disorder is the recticular activating system and people with ADDers have a disorder in the ability to screen out 'quickly/normally'(if at all depending on the severity) external and internal stimuli. The disorder is genetic and if you have it, observe the way one of your parents impulsiveness, acts/behaves, and basically the way they are able to cope with life in general.

If you are interested and think you may have it, I cannot stress the importance of getting truely evaluated by a competent physician with this specialty.
If you truely have it are diagnosed and treated it will change your life for the positive by a complete 360 degrees, it's like wearing glasses for your brain and never new you 'needed' any.
I feel the best criteria for the disorder is made by a physician by the name of Dr. Daniel Amen . If you are interested about his work and his criteria check out www.brainplace.com



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 17:37:42:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 17:26:32:

Thanks a lot. I will check it up. My mother fits quite well the description. She has never been able to get off medication, but has probably never gotten the right one. I don't take drugs, but I keep myself intellectually busy to the point where I am not doing anything else. How about addiction? I can get addicted to anything, from coffee to TV-program.

I haven't done much research on the subject, but this is the first time someone mentions the principles behind it. Very interesting. I so agree with you when you say that we should not underestimate the power of our brain.

Thanks again.

S.



Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 17:43:43:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by Jan S. on October 11, 2002 at 07:05:23:

I understand where you are coming from when it says taking something for life.. Since you have a family history of mental problems it's more than likely that you do indeed have it. My suggestion is even though you believe in non-pharmacological approaches it's the best approach to go with, for the short-run at least. Reason is people with 'true' untreated ADD self medicate and destroy their brain with so many subconcious ways than what is done with synthesized medicine. Chronic caffeine is a main 'legal' self-medicator. The main reason one would want to try medication is so they can see their abilites when their brain is 'normal' or as 'normal' as it can become, and in the short term they are able to depict the differences between what is an ADD symptom and what is not.
Then after, other interventions can be implicated, either (or all) is extreme cardio and exercise, mega dose fish oil, DL-phenylalanine, L-tyrosine, biofeedback, finding out the 'type' of ADD you have and learning to eat accordingly, etc.
First you have to find out how severe your ADD actually is.. Other genetic characteristics of ADD are alcoholism in the family. Alcohol slows and calms ADD individuals down at the same time it increases dopamine within the brain.
The thing that jumped out at me with your comment was the way you felt about 'depending' on a medication... It's funny cause my 'school of thought' was EXACTLY equal to yours until I actually took 'the plunge' and gave it a shot. Now being treated ( much more ways than just a med) my thought is completely different and it's not a problem for me anymore. Before treatment I would have never thought this way. That train of thought 'may' just be another symptom of the disorder.



P.S.

Posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 17:45:28:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 17:26:32:

PS. Perhaps you misunderstood my first sentence. I did not express myself well. I meant to say that I don't think ADD of ADHD is a scam, to the contrary, it is good that someone identified it. The way I wrote it (ADD/ADHD) was just for brevity...not because I approved of the label(s).

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Posted by Ryan on October 11, 2002 at 17:50:06:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 17:37:42:

Addiction is always the possibility if you truely don't clinically need the med your taking or it's not the correct medicine for you. Talk about addiction, I used to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and drink damn near a 12 pack of soda..The stronger the caffeine the better was my philosophy then... I also used to go to vegas and just walk up to the roulette table and basically put half of the money i came with on red... It was ridiculous. MUCH worse for you than the 'right' prescription med.
Now after getting treated I don't even drink soda OR alcohol. My brain doesn't crave the feeling or stimulation at all anymore.

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Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 18:21:25:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by S. on October 11, 2002 at 17:37:42:

I've just checked up the questionaire on Dr.Amen's site. I found a lot of my old symptoms, most of which have cleared completely through a wellness program and a change in career. But I am getting to understand why stimulants affected me the way they did. WHen it comes to the addictive tendencies I am fighting them by willpower and reasoning.

I would say that many of those symptoms could be provoked by people ingesting sugar, refined foods, coffee or tea, alcohol etc. That is why I would not count them as a part of disorder, but the way of coping with disorder. In my case the change was dramatic, but I was rigorous in my wellness approach. Even though I trust you when you say that correct medication may have a positive affect, I don't feel I need any. I consider myself healed.

Addiction and overstimulation is endemic in the global society, and psychiatric disorders are on the rise. I am interested in this connection. It seems that a large number of people could easily be diagnosed as ADD according to those criteria, which is supposed to be a genetic disorder. Something doesn't add up. Either a large number of people had something we label 'disorder' and medicate - OR- they are not genetically adapted to the mad lifestyle of modern society. Isn't it easier to find out what we adapt well to than to medicate? What would have happened with those people in a society that did not know of medications and disaproved of drugs...many questions, few answers.


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Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder?

Posted by Jan S. on October 12, 2002 at 06:12:43:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by anonymous on October 11, 2002 at 17:43:43:

I could run with this topic a lot more, but may run out of energy first.

Bottom line, the question is which came first, the chicken or the egg; the disturbed brain or the systemic malfunction? You can correct it with a drug and indeed this may give vast relief. I just wonder though. My sister is an evangelist for Prozac. She is one of those as in "Listening to Prozac" who had a major personality transformation. She has been on it for 20 years now, and thinks it should be pumped into the public water supply. Well, almost. But why did she need it? When you introduce a drug to "correct an imbalance in the brain" are you not introducing NEW chemical imbalances? Her body is breaking down now. She had her thyroid removed, and has diverticulitis. But I am cautious to pass judgment on someone else's path. Who knows, I might have saved myself years of difficulty if I had FIRST sought "the drug that's really me" (so to speak). At least, that is her take on it....

I know what you mean by a 360 turnaround, and you never knew you needed glasses till you put them on and WOW. When I was self-medicating with phentermine (my med of choice) it was not so as to get high, it was to feel normal and function, NOW...

Then again, I never really knew till I got to Dr. Stoll's 'site and absorbing the information, what a vast scope there is to "wellness" that is thoroughly underestimated by people in general and certainly the medical community at large, but always suspected by me. At times in the past I made heroic efforts to do what I thought was wellness and the changes were profound. I never knew how to sustain it though. In my experience, good health and wellness are so transformative as to be quite frightening at times! (All these vast capabilities and vistas. Who am I becoming?) And this is why I think a downside of psychoactive drugs is that they possibly short-circuit this process...

As for "that train of thought being a symptom of the disorder", you certainly have interesting things to say and I don't discount that. Sometimes, our opinions are intelligent but the manner in which we hold onto them is much less so!



What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit? REFERENCE (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 12, 2002 at 07:34:15:

In Reply to: Re: What is ADD and ADHD Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder? posted by Jan S. on October 12, 2002 at 06:12:43:

Thanks, Jan S.

ANYONE who thinks we understand what is going on here needs to read Dr Gershon's classic "The Second Brain"; Harper/Collins, 1999.

I would appreciate any comments by anyone who has read this reference.

Walt

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