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Posted by shelly on December 03, 2002 at 16:24:29:

This is a great board. A friend told me about it when I told her what my problem was. I have spent the past weekend reading the archives and I ordered Dr. Stoll's book for a Christmas gift to myself. :)
Here's the problem. I'm an extremely healthy female of 49. I quit smoking cigs 20 years ago, I've never drank alcohol or did drugs. Outside of a cold or influenza now and then and seasonal allergies that have disappeared, Im very healthy. Ive never had to take any type of medication except Tylenol. Unfortunately most of my life I have suffered with anxiety and agoraphobia, inherited. I've noticed the past 1/2 a year that if I drink too much coffee, a few hours later I have this funny, nausea-type, dull, yucky feeling just below my breastbone. The nausea is extremely mild, cant officially call it that, its just a yucky feeling like theres a rock sitting there. I've often thought maybe an ulcer, because if I am stresses, or overly anxious, or eat anything with oil in it like a salad, it acts up and after a time it gurgles and I feel just terrific. I dont believe it's gallbladder-related because I can sit down and eat french fries, or fried fish, eggs, bacon, etc etc and never have a problem. I have NO pain, just this yucky feeling. But as I said it mainly occurs after too much caffeine consumption. I read a little about this in the archives, and I read responses and didn't find anything solid or concrete for an answer. I would appreciate any help in this matter. Again, this is a wonderful board and happy holidays to everyone!



Re: new with a question

Posted by Rick on December 03, 2002 at 19:53:56:

In Reply to: new with a question posted by shelly on December 03, 2002 at 16:24:29:

Hi Shelly - It sounds like you are becoming allergic to caffeine and if you continue to consume it, you could easily end-up experiencing "Panic Attacks" in your already anxiety status so if I were you, I'd stop consuming anything that caused a strange reaction to occur in my body. Drinking coffee will also irritate your gut lining (digestive tract) and cause you to experience Leaky Gut problems on down the road. * Rick *



Re: new with a question

Posted by Shelley on December 03, 2002 at 20:30:09:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Rick on December 03, 2002 at 19:53:56:

My mom, her sister and 7 brothers have been drinking coffee everyday for the past 60 years and NONE have Leaky Gut.



Re: new with a question

Posted by Slowly Unwinding on December 03, 2002 at 21:05:04:

In Reply to: new with a question posted by shelly on December 03, 2002 at 16:24:29:

I'm hooked on fresh ground strong espresso blend myself. Way too much, about a quart a day. When I drank ginger root tea for about three weeks one time I felt like a different person, one who wanted strong coffee. I've tried green tea as a coffee substitute and it is really pretty good. I still drink way, way too much coffee but if given an option, herbal teas can substitute for a cup or two or three, no problem.
If you learn to meditate twice a day for 20 minutes you'll feel much less yucky and will want to go out of the house so you can get some coffee.
Every symptom you list is stress related and your parents probably had a role in you feeling this way but it's not inherited, it's a conditioned response. I'm a 49 yr. old male who was very healthy until I ignored the warning signs for too long. Now I'm struggling to regain my health and meditation (SR) is making the difference.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by PeterB on December 03, 2002 at 21:39:51:

In Reply to: new with a question posted by shelly on December 03, 2002 at 16:24:29:

Your diet is going to catch up with Shelly. I gave up coffee one year ago and experienced relief from much worse symptoms than yours. Coffee is a pollutant and a stress on the liver, while caffeine is a toxin to your nervous system. Try the herbal coffee substitutes (Roma is one) -- they actually taste BETTER than coffee in my opinion.



Re: new with a question

Posted by Candida Rick on December 03, 2002 at 22:02:15:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Shelley on December 03, 2002 at 20:30:09:

Rick, tell shelley that she definitely does have candida



Re: new with a question

Posted by liver lover on December 03, 2002 at 22:50:23:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PeterB on December 03, 2002 at 21:39:51:

Shelly,
Sounds like symptoms of a stressed liver to me, too. That would explain your anxiety (agoraphobia is not inherited!).
No sugar, no white flour, no caffeine, chew your food thoroughly and plenty of SR---you'll start to feel better within days.



Re: new with a question

Posted by Shelly on December 04, 2002 at 00:21:00:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PeterB on December 03, 2002 at 21:39:51:

What were your symptoms Peter?

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Re: new with a question

Posted by Beth on December 04, 2002 at 00:22:35:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by liver lover on December 03, 2002 at 22:50:23:

Agoraphobia is most certainly inherited. LOL and what the hell is a 'stressed liver'?



Re: new with a question

Posted by Shelly on December 04, 2002 at 00:24:11:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Candida Rick on December 03, 2002 at 22:02:15:

I have NO candida symptoms whatsoever.Agoraphobia is hereditary.



Re: new with a question

Posted by Happygal on December 04, 2002 at 05:32:08:

In Reply to: new with a question posted by shelly on December 03, 2002 at 16:24:29:

Hi Shelly,

If you repeatedly feel bad after drinking coffee, wouldn't it just make sense to give up drinking it?

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: new with a question

Posted by labrat on December 04, 2002 at 09:22:13:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Shelly on December 04, 2002 at 00:24:11:

What you described as the "yucky feeling" could easily be a symptom of candida!!

In any case, it seems your body is telling you quite clearly not to drink coffee.


~~~8>



Re: new with a question

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 04, 2002 at 11:06:18:

In Reply to: new with a question posted by shelly on December 03, 2002 at 16:24:29:

Thanks, Shelly. Welcome to the 'site.

Have you thought of GERD?

If it were me, I would give up caffeine for a month or so and use the GRJ. Let us know what you learn.

Since this does not commonly happen without LGS at least being incipient, you need to learn about that as well. Let us hope that this has not already progresed to C-RS since it is a setup for that eventually.

Walt



Re: new with a question

Posted by liver lover on December 04, 2002 at 14:39:12:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Beth on December 04, 2002 at 00:22:35:

Phobias are not inherited.
"What the hell is a stressed liver?" ---you sound angry--- your liver is stressed!



Re: new with a question

Posted by shelley on December 04, 2002 at 17:26:56:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Walt Stoll on December 04, 2002 at 11:06:18:

can someone tell me what GRJ and C-RS is please? Am I suppose to know htese is that why they werent explained?



Re: new with a question

Posted by shelly on December 04, 2002 at 17:28:14:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Happygal on December 04, 2002 at 05:32:08:

Giving up coffee isnt all that easy.



Re: new with a question

Posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by labrat on December 04, 2002 at 09:22:13:

Candida, LGS and Gerd are NOT the answer to EVERY medical problem. Where did you all get such an idea?



Re: new with a question

Posted by We T.P. on December 04, 2002 at 18:03:26:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

Where was it stated that they were the answer to all medical problems? Where did you get that idea? This was a specific answer to a specific question/symptom.

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Welcome, fresh meat

Posted by Blunt Grunt on December 04, 2002 at 19:33:02:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

She sould burn an ear candle while getting her colon pressure washed. If you ask me.
You're uptight, I'm uptight, most everybody on this board is UPTOTHEIRFRICKINGEARSTIGHT! Walt's not going to tell you Skilled Relaxation because he knows you won't listen, but all of the symptoms caused by everything that could be causing the symptoms can be adressed with SR. I'm done.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by Adad on December 04, 2002 at 19:39:09:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by shelley on December 04, 2002 at 17:26:56:

GRJ is Ginger Root Juice. C-RS is Candida Related Symptoms.
They get covered about 3 times a month, stick around and you'll see. Walt likes people to do a little work and a lot of reading. Find the archives and you'll see what I mean.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by Sad Gal on December 04, 2002 at 19:48:24:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by shelly on December 04, 2002 at 17:28:14:

I guess feeling badly is much easier than eliminating what is making you feel bad. Makes sense! :)



Re: new with a question

Posted by Gita on December 04, 2002 at 20:09:36:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Sad Gal on December 04, 2002 at 19:48:24:

And exactly WHY is that???



Re: new with a question

Posted by liver lover on December 04, 2002 at 21:33:46:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by shelly on December 04, 2002 at 17:28:14:

It isn't "easy" being healthy. It takes some effort!

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Re: new with a question

Posted by SRBracer on December 04, 2002 at 23:42:53:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

"Candida, LGS and Gerd are NOT the answer to EVERY medical problem. Where did you all get such an idea?"

then you must need sr because you brace too much.
these are the only causes and cures to all illnesses.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by SRBracer on December 04, 2002 at 23:45:52:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by liver lover on December 04, 2002 at 14:39:12:

"What the hell is a stressed liver?"

a liver that's too stressed.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by SRBracer on December 04, 2002 at 23:47:30:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Gita on December 04, 2002 at 20:09:36:

"And exactly WHY is that???"

why is what?

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Re: new with a question

Posted by screwed on December 04, 2002 at 23:53:19:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

Hey

Make like an egg, and beat it, daddy cool! lol

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Re: new with a question

Posted by Roy on December 05, 2002 at 00:00:11:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by shelley on December 04, 2002 at 17:26:56:

Click on 'Glossary/Index' at the top of this screen , and follow the links to definitions of any word here you don't understand.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by Sad Gal on December 05, 2002 at 00:45:04:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by Gita on December 04, 2002 at 20:09:36:

Because it is so much easier to feel bad and complain rather than just give up coffee. Isn't it easier for you to be sick than to try and stop the behavior that makes you sick?

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Re: new with a question (Archive in phobias.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 05, 2002 at 08:15:21:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by liver lover on December 04, 2002 at 14:39:12:

Hi, Liver.

You really need to learn a lot more about genetic susceptibility. The tendency to brain chemistry imbalance IS inherited! Phobias are an example of brain chemistry imbalance.

Walt



Re: new with a question

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 05, 2002 at 08:30:41:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by shelly on December 04, 2002 at 17:28:14:

Right, Shelly.

Only you can decide whether staying with your symptoms is easier.

Walt

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Re: new with a question "PEOPLE" is right!

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 05, 2002 at 08:34:37:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

Of course not, "people". However, they are main contributors in many people who have already tried everything conventional medicne has to offer without resolution--the majority of the people who go to the internet for help.

Learn what you are talking about before sticking your neck out and exposing your ignorance.

Walt

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Where did YOU get the idea we were discussing every medical problem?

Posted by labrat on December 05, 2002 at 11:46:51:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by PEOPLE!!!! on December 04, 2002 at 17:29:46:

I was responding to a specific issue here, People.

If I were to ask you how pollution affected us; what effect did it have on the human species, what could you come up with? You could come up with a bazillion illnesses and conditions that could be traced back to exposure to pollution. Why is it so hard to believe that one or two things can cause a host of problems?

You are right, not ALL medical problems are caused by (as opposed to "the answer to" as you phrased it) our favorite topics here, but let's face it, these things are very close to the root cause of a vast number of problems. Candida LGS and GERD are all caused or complicated by Bracing, so THAT is in effect the root of much, much evil.

Hope that clears things up for you.

~~~8>

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Re: new with a question (Archive in phobias.)

Posted by liver lover on December 05, 2002 at 17:14:21:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question (Archive in phobias.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 05, 2002 at 08:15:21:

It was my understanding that anxiety disorders and panic attacks are inherited but that agoraphobia (which is the fear of having a panic attack and not being able to escape) is not.



Re: definition of agoraphobia

Posted by dictionary on December 05, 2002 at 18:29:26:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question (Archive in phobias.) posted by liver lover on December 05, 2002 at 17:14:21:

agoraphobia is fear of open spaces and /or large crowds.



Re: definition of agoraphobia

Posted by liver lover on December 05, 2002 at 19:22:12:

In Reply to: Re: definition of agoraphobia posted by dictionary on December 05, 2002 at 18:29:26:

Technically, yes. Agora: marketplace, phobia: fear. But dictionary definition is not diagnostic criteria. Agoraphobia is avoiding situations because of fear of having a panic attack.

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Re: new with a question

Posted by Happygal on December 06, 2002 at 05:51:34:

In Reply to: Re: new with a question posted by shelly on December 04, 2002 at 17:28:14:

Hi Shelly,

It may not be easy, but it can be done! When you go off coffee, you need to do so slowly so you don't get caffeine withdrawal headaches.

One way to do this is to start decreasing the amount you drink a little bit each day and taper off over time.

If you really like the taste of coffee, you could start using a coffee-substitute grain beverage instead. There are some pretty good ones.

You can do it!!!!!

Best wishes,
Happygal

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