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Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by
Erin on March 30, 2003 at 20:26:26:

Dear Dr. Stoll,
I am creating a thesis for my AP Biology class. However, my resources are few. I am not educationally sound enough to prove of disprove my theory. Therefore, I ask you, as a medically and scientifically educated individual, your opinion of the subject and any information that you may be able to provide me with. (i.e. books, scientific journals, current research) This would be greatly appreciated and of much help. I have included a brief overview of my current knowledge, a small argument and my thesis.

I have an understanding of the general biology of the brain (neurotransmitters, serotonin, ect.). I also know that the chemicals that make the brain function are originally created by the nutrients (vitamins and minerals) that are consumed. However, we continue to treat mental illness with drugs to "fix" the levels of serotonin, dopamine and other chemicals in the brain. To me it is just like chopping the stem off a weed in you garden. The roots remain and it will grow back. The roots, the vitamins, the minerals provide the nutrients for the seratonin, ect. On a strict biological basis they are, to me, the source of a mental illness problem. Why don't we attempt to treat the roots of the mental illness problem (rhetorical question, no answer needed)? This theory of nutrient deficiencies being the cause of mental illness is the basis of my paper.

And I ask: Is mental illness simply a nutritional deficiency (again rhetorical)?

I hope to prove that it is and provide some suggestions on how to balance an individualís healthy nutritional scale. Theoretically, curing that individual of their ailments (mental illness).
Thanks again.
Sincerely,
Erin Colleen



Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Vince F on March 31, 2003 at 06:58:02:

In Reply to: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Erin on March 30, 2003 at 20:26:26:

I can't say for sure that nutrients can cause it
but think many can be involved but many things
can cause a deficency and injuries are ones. I
know that head injuries can change ones personality
and chemical injuries like I had can deplete stored
nutrients and cause them. One thing that can
happen when the liver is affected where some nutrients
store is Hepatic Psychosis. I think I may have had
it and would go into a rage when something simple
bothered me and it felt like in a cartoon when
the character got made and blood/pressure would go
to their head and they would flip out. I could
feel like a pressure building and I would explode
and it wasn't when around people but something
that someone had done that I had to deal with.



Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Sue on March 31, 2003 at 10:25:51:

In Reply to: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Erin on March 30, 2003 at 20:26:26:

Could I suggest you read 'The Mood Cure' by Julia Ross?

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Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 2003 at 15:30:58:

In Reply to: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Erin on March 30, 2003 at 20:26:26:

Thanks, Erin.

It is refreshing to hear that someone your age understands this burgeoning field this well. Relative (genetic) micronutrient deficiencies certainly contribute to an individual's chemistry to cope with the increasing complexity of today's world. "The Second Brain" by Dr Gershon has opened up an entirely different way of looking at this chemistry.

LeChatelier's Principle is behind the Orthomolecular Psychiatric concept that is the single most effective paradigm for treating mental illness and has been for more than 40 years.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Vince Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Mike on March 31, 2003 at 18:56:57:

In Reply to: Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Vince F on March 31, 2003 at 06:58:02:

Did you ever have a head injury?
How did you ever get over your rages that you described?



Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Temper! Temper! on March 31, 2003 at 19:54:15:

In Reply to: Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Vince F on March 31, 2003 at 06:58:02:

Hi Vince

I so can relate to what you are referring to.

I had an argument a few days ago with someone close to me, and I got very angry. Yelling etc, for no good reason. I havent yelled at anyone in so long, except maybe my dog. :)I was being irrational and overreacting because I didnt get my own way. (temper tantrum!) :)

But I think I got instant karma from my outburst. Because once the anger was over, it was replaced by guilt, and the guilt was compounded by the person being overly sorry and apologizing to me for them not doing what i wanted them to do! (dont ask) :( And then,the guilt turned into a depression, which then turned into a very evident draining of energy, where I just wanted to curl into a ball and sleep. I think my psyche went into shock at my outburst, as its been gosh, almost a year, since I have truly argued to the point of yelling at anyone.

It took me hours before I recovered from that episode, energy wise. I think that one of the best things to do when your energy is stuck like that, is to exercise. And I mean vigorous exercise. that allows that trapped destructive energy to dissipate quicker. Maybe what i should have done, is after the anger, instead of letting the energy become self destructive,was to exercise it out of my system.



Absolutely

Posted by
Straw on March 31, 2003 at 23:10:48:

In Reply to: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Erin on March 30, 2003 at 20:26:26:

It's late & I don't have time to post my story about my son (age 10 now, adopted at birth) ... It's a very long story. There might be some of it in the archives if you do a search for "Straw" ...

Anyway, here are some books & resources that will help you.

www.hriptc.org - Health Research Institute -Pfeiffer Treatment Center has studied this exact thing for 25 years (behavior problem children & criminals have vitamin deficiencies, etc) They are in Naperville, IL.

William Shaw - please read his whole website. www.GreatPlainsLaboratory.com He has studied this. His book is "Biological Treatments of Autism & PDD" by William Shaw -- you must read this one!

http://www.conductdisorders.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=11&SUBMIT=Go That is a website that I used to post on (got too busy to help out there now) ... anyway, if you read the stories, you'll find most of those kids have mental illness and IMO most have nutritional deficiences due to malabsorption issues. Unfortunately most of the website now encourages mostly behavior modification and various meds, versus healing the body (healing the malabsorption issues), but if you stick to the Natural Treatment areas you'll find it interesting.

I'm sure I have more resources bookmarked, etc, but it will take me awhile to find them, if you are interested.

I think www.crimetimes.org or .com is an interesting website also. I'm sure I have many others.

Good luck. Thank you so much for focusing on this issue. The word needs to get out. I wish you well & hope you publish your findings some day.

Straw



Re: Absolutely! (Archive in brain chemistry.) More information.

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 01, 2003 at 08:27:12:

In Reply to: Absolutely posted by Straw on March 31, 2003 at 23:10:48:

Thanks, Straw.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Vince Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Vince F on April 01, 2003 at 09:56:02:

In Reply to: Vince Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Mike on March 31, 2003 at 18:56:57:

I had brain damage from the chemicals that injured
me. I had extreme short term memory problems and
couldn't follow new on TV though I could Listen
to talk radio/news so I think visual and audio
was too much to process and music was like Noise to
me which I think was too complicated to follow. I
used to be a music lover and built custom audio
equipment and a musician friend said that I listened
like a musician since I used to pick one instrument
and focus on it.

I am not really sure what helped me but think that
curing my extreme food sensitivities may have
helped a lot. Since chems can damage the liver and
kidneys and I would get stabing pains in my ears,
eyes, and jaw when eating many foods and That
STOPED in 15 min in one attack after eating oatmeal
instead of the rice I was limited and I Never had
the head pains again and I was able to eat any
foods i wanted and didn't have to add bicarbonate to
acid foods or anything with vinegar in it.

I Think there can be many things involved that
can affect the brain. I lost my central vision and
if not for geting heart born which is rare it is
possible i could have gone blind. Since my lungs
were burned by the chems I was probably not releasing
CO2 which can make your system go acid and that
can make blood pool in the brain and press on
the optic nerves which causes the vision loss
starting with the central vision. The bicarb
broght back mine in minutes which sent me searching
for the reason why and making me use the bicarb on
acid foods.

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Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Vince F on April 01, 2003 at 10:19:26:

In Reply to: Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Temper! Temper! on March 31, 2003 at 19:54:15:

I can have a temper but only a few times before my
injury did I think I was out of control. I tend to
think that controlled outburts can be positive
at least for the person having them since it feels
like a workout after. The out of control ones
probably came from my injury or maybe medications
before.

I have a Very difficult breed of hounds and the
2 I have now have to be the most difficult and
independent and I have Lots of limitations that
makes just normal care of a pet difficult and this
breed don't listen normally and have selective
hearing and foot long fine hair that mats as they
walk and these guys are hunters. They only do
what I want if I raise my voice.

After I holler I feel bad But I don't feel guilty
till I calm down and realize that it is their
nature to do what they do and part of what I love
about them but can't handle most times so I don't
want them to be stressed more than they have to be
under the circumstances since my condition is part
of the problem so I call them over and feel bad
they are wary but Can't let them stay scared longer
than they have to for me to calm down. Then I hug
and rub them and Tell them they Have to listen or
learn but I Know that is like telling them to
become a box or fly. What is funny that they say
that the breed is sensitive and can be harmed by
harsh treatment but that isn't the case with any
of mine but maybe because I don't stay mad very
long and my last male Couldn't wait for Me to get
over IT to come to me and be hugged and he used
to be impatient for me to call him and he was as
macho as they come but Craved human attention and
demanded it if you made eye contact. I would laugh
at how crazy it was and it was a frequent
occurance since he was a super pain in the butt
with Lots of needs to go out to do his business and
I Couldn't say No even though he woke me so I
would curse him and praise him at the same time.

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Re: Vince Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency?

Posted by Vince F on April 01, 2003 at 10:26:55:

In Reply to: Vince Re: Mental illness; a nutritional deficiency? posted by Mike on March 31, 2003 at 18:56:57:

I forgot to mention that I recently learned that
the liver needs Vit B-6 to function and oatmeal
is said to have a lot so what may have solved the
problems that it did.

Guess i have to ask why you asked ? I met a few
people with head/brain injuries on a Support BB
when on Prodigy so have a few personal stories
from them.

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