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Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:


Friends,

Phosphoric acid is the basis for ALL soft drinks--hence the generic name: "Phosphates" that the manufacturers no longer use because they do not want the public to know what they are really drinking.

This stuff is the major contributor to the "stable criminal syndrome" described in the brain chemistry archives.

Walt

WATER OR COKE?


This is really an eye opener!

We all know that water is important but I've never seen it written down
like this before.

WATER
1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. (Likely applies to half
world population.)

2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is
often mistaken for hunger.

3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.


4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost
100% of the dieters studied in a University of Washington study.

5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.

6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day
could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.

7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory,
trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen
or on a
printed page.

8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer
by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is
50%less likely to develop bladder cancer. Are you drinking the amount of
water
you Should every day?

COKE
1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries two gallons
of Coke in the trunk to remove blood from the highway after a car
accident.

2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be gone in
two days.

3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet bowl and
let the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush clean. The citric acid
in
Coke removes stains from vitreous china.

4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper with a
rumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola.

5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of
Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.

6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola to the
rusted bolt for several minutes.

7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the baking pan,
wrap the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty minutes before the ham is
finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to mix with the Coke
for a
sumptuous brown gravy.

8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a load of
greasy clothes, add detergent, and run through a regular cycle. The
Coca-Cola
will help loosen grease stains. It will also clean road haze from your
windshield.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION:
1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is 2.8. It
will dissolve a nail in about four days. Phosphoric acid also leaches
calcium
from bones and is a major contributor to the rising increase in
osteoporosis.

2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial truck must
use the Hazardous Material place cards reserved for highly corrosive
materials.

3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the engines of
their trucks for about 20 years!

Now the question is, would YOU like a glass of water or coke




Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Maz on July 09, 2003 at 07:18:32:

In Reply to: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:

Hi Walt.

I can believe all that stuff about Coke, but the claims made in the article about water? We all know that water is good for us and necessary for health, but where is the evidence for instance in No. 8?

Thanks.



Re: Water, soft drink, or ...something else.

Posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 08:51:10:

In Reply to: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:

I object to the either/or framing of the situation. Soft drinks are not the only choices other than water. And, as usual, where is the proof that many other dilute aqueous solutions would not function as well as water.
Also, if 50% of the world is considered chronically dehydrated, then perhaps the definition of dehydrated is out of synch with actual human norms.
The point is to get adequate fluid to the body for its functional needs. It might be easier done without resorting to the demonizing tactics of the Water Nazis.



water supplies

Posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 09:45:30:

In Reply to: Re: Water, soft drink, or ...something else. posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 08:51:10:

An added thought: Most of the world's population lives under a situation where water supplies are inadequate/contaminated. Water-borne diseases are a major source of mortality in much of the world. To drink is, perhaps, to die. One of the major tasks of Peace Corps volunteers used to be upgrading water systems, and education about how to keep them clean. I suspect in many countries, their efforts have been erased, and things are back to stone-age methods again--the rich live upstream from the latrine/laundry area/cattle watering hole, and the poor live downstream from those activities.
I suspect it is due to these ancient problems with water sources, that humans have developed a taste for drinking hot liquids with additives, and fermented liquid products.
Most people in the world don't have the financial ability to buy bottled water products, even if they were available.
Given the potentially lethal nature of their water supplies, and lack of alternatives, is it any wonder that they are somewhat dehydrated? At least they are alive. Perhaps the water guzzlers tend to end in a shallow grave.
The answer is obviously, major water infrastructure projects are needed in developing countries in order to get the people properly and non-lethally hydrated.
So all you people sending money to England to fight CODEX, don't you think you should be contributing to clean water for proper hydation of the masses. Once everybody is safely hydrated, THEN we can start worrying about supplements. Maybe they won't even be necessary.



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Check it on July 09, 2003 at 10:50:06:

In Reply to: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:

All the stuff about coke is old false information.

Check it here...

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp

I don't drink Coke that often but I think alot of this stuff gets made up and passed along. When you see these types of email go to www.snopes.com and checkit. You may find that you are pass along bad information.

We all not that most of us don't drink enough water but come on, 8 classes a day. I think I know who is behind that... The bottled water company..

My 2 cents



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Happygal on July 09, 2003 at 12:14:54:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Check it on July 09, 2003 at 10:50:06:

Hi Check,

We did the experiment of putting a tooth in a glass of coke in my eighth grade science class. The tooth disappeared within two days.

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Check it on July 09, 2003 at 13:44:28:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Happygal on July 09, 2003 at 12:14:54:

"anything containing sugar and phosphoric acid -- fresh orange juice, for example -- would dissolve teeth over a period of time. The point is people do not hold food and beverages in their mouths for days on end. They swallow, and their saliva washes away the sugar and acid before lasting damage is done. Otherwise the whole country would be toothless."

I am not saying Coke is good, but you have to take the claims you see on the internet with a grain of salt. Anyone can put up a website and claim anything they want. Does not make it true or factual.

Just check it before you pass it along...

my 2 cents

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Re: water supplies

Posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 17:16:50:

In Reply to: water supplies posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 09:45:30:

No, the masses could boil the water, but CODEX will mess things up beyond repair.



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 17:22:55:

In Reply to: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:

Oh, then we must be killing ourselves with hydrochloric acid we have in our stomachs -- it's pH is even lower than that of phosphoric acid in Coca Cola.

I am sure there is something more worthwhile to post and archive than this.



Re: water supplies

Posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 18:39:45:

In Reply to: Re: water supplies posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 17:16:50:

In some parts of the world, even fire fodder is hard to come by.



Thanks Dr. Stoll, good information on water

Posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 20:06:04:

In Reply to: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:

Though I agree the coke information is misleading, the same could be said for any acidic fruit juice. It is bewildering to me to see people actually resistant to drinking sufficient water. What an easy, cheap, pleasurable way to maintain good health!

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Water nazis?

Posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 20:08:22:

In Reply to: Re: Water, soft drink, or ...something else. posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 08:51:10:

Sheesh, you act like people are asking you to drink gallons of cod liver oil! It's only cool, refreshing water, and it's relatively cost-free.



Yes, water nazis

Posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 20:34:03:

In Reply to: Water nazis? posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 20:08:22:

The point is to find out what is true. I despise the "noble lie" told for our good by people who don't think the truth suffices, and that people need to be deceived into good health practices.



Well

Posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 21:47:52:

In Reply to: Yes, water nazis posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 20:34:03:

The truth is drinking a reasonable amount of water is good for you. I would focus on other more controversial issues if I were you.



Re: water supplies

Posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 23:08:02:

In Reply to: Re: water supplies posted by cris on July 09, 2003 at 18:39:45:

Then they should move. Why would they live where it's unsuited for humans. Either that or learn the animals' way -- drink from lakes and rivers and not complain.

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more controversial issues

Posted by Gregory on July 09, 2003 at 23:42:18:

In Reply to: Well posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 21:47:52:

It seems controversial enough, since you seem to need to lie about it in the first place. Since you are NOT me, I can hardly expect the truth from you, but it would be nice if you made the effort, this one time to tell the truth, rather than more "noble lies."



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2003 at 08:08:16:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Maz on July 09, 2003 at 07:18:32:

Sorry, Maz.

What was #8? From a computer illiterate.

Walt



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2003 at 08:39:16:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Check it on July 09, 2003 at 10:50:06:

Thanks, Check it.

I, personally, did some of these experients in my highschool chemistry laboroatory and saw what they did. Our teacher told us what to do and he was not a nutritionist--just a chemistry teacher.

Try them yourself and let us know what you experience.

Walt

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Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Malt on July 10, 2003 at 08:46:30:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2003 at 08:08:16:

No. 8 was

Drinking 5 glasses of water per day reduces the risk of colon cancer by 45%, breast cancer by 79% and bladder cancer by 50%.

These are strong claims. Do you know if, and how, they are backed up with trials/evidence etc?

Thanks.



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2003 at 09:19:54:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 17:22:55:

R.

I am surprised at you!

Walt



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2003 at 12:53:02:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Malt on July 10, 2003 at 08:46:30:

Thanks, Malt.

These %s sound high to me, too, but I suspect they are not more than 100% off.

You should be able to find the facts on the internet. When you do let us know.

Walt

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Yes the "noble lie"

Posted by Eliza on July 10, 2003 at 17:34:47:

In Reply to: more controversial issues posted by Gregory on July 09, 2003 at 23:42:18:

You are right, Gregory, the need for water really is a "noble lie". No matter that our bodies are 70% water, we really don't need to drink any. In fact, water is just a fanciful name we use to lure people into drinking it, it is really hydrogen hydroxide, another of those nasty chemicals. It's all a big conspiracy by the local water utilities (another tidbit, they are really owned by the multinational pharmaceutical companies!). You see, if everyone drinks an extra quart of water a day, not only will they rake in billions in extra profits, but the resulting decline in health caused by intake of all that chemical will require billions and billions of dollars worth of drugs to keep us all alive. Darn it Gregory, now we have to think of another ruse!



Hmmm

Posted by cris on July 10, 2003 at 19:30:53:

In Reply to: Yes the "noble lie" posted by Eliza on July 10, 2003 at 17:34:47:

You persist in deliberately missing the point. Everyone knows the body requires water. The questions are: How much, in what form, and for whom?
Whose body is 70% water? Babies, children, young women, young men, old women, old men? Their water compositions are very different. Perhaps their water needs are very different.
Water nazis often insist that water taken in forms other than "just 'pure' water", don't count. So, if you drink a half-gallon of weak, uncaffeinated tea, you still owe your body a quart-and-a-half of water. What's that all about?
And it seems obvious that someone who lives a sedentary life in a cool, humid climate, will require less water to maintain homeostasis than one who exercises vigorously in a hot, dry climate.
We all know that infants who are breastfeeding, don't require any water at all. The milk does the job for them. They are humans who are not drinking 6-8 glasses of water a day. I don't think the actual water needs of any segment of humanity have been definitively quantified.
The idea that people can't get adequate water for homeostasis from sources other than glasses of water, is totally unproved. The 6-8 glasses a day (regardless of what other water-containing products have been ingested) need is totally unproved.
Do we even have a uniform definition of dehydration for humans, and is it correlated with quantified morbidity and/or mortality? Do people drinking 6-8 glasses of water a day live longer than people drinking other amounts?
Have the Harvard researchers who have been milking a couple of long-term studies for all they are worth, gone back and tried to statistically massage some answers for these questions?
Just because your anodyne for good health seems so easy and reasonable, does NOT make it true.



Re: Hmmm

Posted by R. on July 10, 2003 at 19:36:07:

In Reply to: Hmmm posted by cris on July 10, 2003 at 19:30:53:

You persist in deliberately missing the point.

Are you sure she does it deliberately?

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Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by R. on July 10, 2003 at 19:43:12:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 10, 2003 at 09:19:54:

Why are you surprised? Have I not requested high value before? While I am completely against drinking soda, the arguments in the piece of I don't what that you posted are designed to manipulate people's thinking and are misleading. As other people have pointed out, other acids (e.g. in orange juice) will have similar actions as coca cola. That's why I said that there are better data to post, discuss, and archive. I suppose I could and should have found a more respectful way to say that, but I am just a tactless and direct person.



Hee hee

Posted by Eliza on July 10, 2003 at 20:50:35:

In Reply to: Hmmm posted by cris on July 10, 2003 at 19:30:53:

Of course I know your point, I'm having fun because some of you are so insistent about endlessly arguing the insignificant. You don't see the forest for the trees! OK, here's the real scoop. Yes, human bodies differ in water content, babies being the highest, men the lowest, mostly dependent on muscle mass and fat content (more muscle, more water, more fat, less water). Older people do not "dry out" but lose muscle mass so will contain less water. And of course physical activity and climate plays a major role. I haven't heard your water nazi comments but you are right juices and uncaffienated teas do "count". The only point I am making is there is no down side to drinking more water. It is the second most important ingredient for life after oxygen. We are not talking about foods, or vitamins, or supplements here. An extra few glasses of water, whether you need them or not, will not hurt you! And most likely, you need it anyway. You really want to see iron-clad documentation on exactly the water requirements you need before you will drink more water? What a silly attitude and waste of mental energy!

And PS, your baby analogy is a poor one. By that argument our diets should contain, by caloric content, 5% protein, 45% carbohydrate and 50% fat!



Re: Hee hee

Posted by cris on July 10, 2003 at 21:42:18:

In Reply to: Hee hee posted by Eliza on July 10, 2003 at 20:50:35:

I think you have the water ratios backwards. Babies have the least water, young men the most water.
The water issue is only important as an example of how people like you think it is OK to fiddle about with truth because you view your intent as benign. I'm here to tell you that it is not OK. Hell is paved with good intentions.
If you only knew how much mayhem has been caused throughout history by people "in the know" fiddling about with truth for the "good" of the masses, you would, as a person of honor and good faith, desist in your "noble lies", and tell it like it is, with a liberal sprinkling of "I don't knows" where appropriate.



Keep trying to think forest

Posted by Eliza on July 10, 2003 at 22:15:18:

In Reply to: Re: Hee hee posted by cris on July 10, 2003 at 21:42:18:

You still aren't getting it. These so-called "noble lies" aren't the problem, nor have they ever been in history, it's the outright lies. They abound from your friends here, yet you remain silent. How odd....

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Re: Hee hee -Not so funny, nor very accurate.

Posted by Gregory on July 10, 2003 at 22:16:33:

In Reply to: Hee hee posted by Eliza on July 10, 2003 at 20:50:35:

it continually amazes me the the number of pronouncements you make with doing even a preliminary search to back it up.

i.e. "...there is no down side to drinking more water..."

Drinking too much water can be dangerous

Since you don't set an upper limit or "more" then you most certainly can damage yourself by overhydration.

"And most likely, you need it anyway. You really want to see iron-clad documentation on exactly the water requirements you need before you will drink more water? "

Actually, yes, I do. Here you seem to be applying the general to the specific. Without knowing anything about anybody here, or even the respondents of your post, you are already dictating what their hydration needs are.

The only one you can possibly make accurate intake for is yourself, and it does not seem that you are very good in that realm either.

You are what is scary about so-called "scientists." While you seem to have a grasp on the specialized knowledge of your field, you also seem lack the common sense needed to effectively apply it.



Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Vince F on July 10, 2003 at 22:58:30:

In Reply to: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 07:03:40:

I think that people should drink what they Like and not
what they are told to. Co's using Trans Fats are geting
Sued, when they Used to be the ones to consume.

I am a cola and tea drinker and recently have had to be out
all day in high temps. The first day I bought a soda and
the next day I brought my own. I Also brought water since I
know that when it is as hot as it has been and if I have
things to do that Only water will satisfy my thirst At
Times and cola at others. I am drinking about equal amounts
since I haven't been doing any physical work. Then it would
be only water. I can't see Forcing either. It would make me
feel ill and that doesn't sound smart to me.

I think there are people that are the reverse of me and
That is Fine. I can handle Lots of salt and hot foods and
others can't handle any or very little. When an injury made
me Need to take salt constantly, Just to function in the
heat, I Don't think it would have been healthy to restrict
it but a friend had to drink 4 glases of water to eat a
soup that was very salty to me. I didn't need any water.

My mom said she used to gag on her 3rd glass a day But
she was determined to drink 8. She never made it. I thought
she was Nuts and she would ask Me if I drank 8 glases. I
don't drink 8/yr. We have already had 2 heat waves and I
might have drank 1 glass so far.

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Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 11, 2003 at 07:37:38:

In Reply to: Re: Water or a soft drink? (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by R. on July 10, 2003 at 19:43:12:

Thanks, R.

I appreciate direct and tactless persons :o). In my opinion, the real question is between drinking water and getting needed fluids by drinking fruit juices or soft drinks (I am not just down on Coke but on ALL soft drinks.)

Walt

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Tsk tsk

Posted by Eliza on July 11, 2003 at 12:55:09:

In Reply to: Re: Hee hee -Not so funny, nor very accurate. posted by Gregory on July 10, 2003 at 22:16:33:

Gregory, another person that does not understand simple english. I said "an extra few glasses of water a day", and stand by it. Extreme excess of water, just like oxygen or just about anything else, will kill you. Please stick to something you actually know something about, I have no idea what that might be, but there must be something. Burning holes in clouds, perhaps?



Stop the attacks

Posted by Helping You on July 12, 2003 at 00:43:29:

In Reply to: Tsk tsk posted by Eliza on July 11, 2003 at 12:55:09:

Stop attacking people Eliza. Bill will soon be receiving complaints about you if you don't tone it down.

-HY

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