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Walt, please help re: alzheimer's

Posted by
maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 07:30:46:

Hi Walt,
My mom (83) was diagnosed with Alz. last week - (normal brain scan and all other tests okay so doctor came to this conclusion by process of elimination)...she only has one problem that I see - she has short term memory loss - she will question over and over if she did something (and of course she did, but forgot). Other than that, she is fine, cooks, eats, goes to Church, prays, beats me in gin rummy. My dad is 88 and in great shape mentally and physically. My question: her doctor has her on aricept and enalapril (2.5 mg) for high blood pressure. I put her on B vitamins, flaxseed oil, vitamin E (1200 mill. a day). I am getting confused with all the supplements I can give her. Don't know if gingko is okay to give her with the enalapril and aricept. Also, heard rosemary is great for alz. Can I give her rosemary pills? What about phosphatidylserine (200 mg daily) or L-acelyl carnitine (550-1000 mg. three times a day). I am so confused as what supplments to give her with aricept and enalapril. Please help....thank you. maryann



Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's

Posted by ANN [407.489] on April 05, 2004 at 08:00:37:

In Reply to: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 07:30:46:

HI MARYANN, My mom was diagnosed with dimentia (dont know if I am spelling that right) but she has the same problem as your mom and she will ask us the same question over and over and over again. They took blood test on her and she has low b-12 so now she gets shots of b-12 . You can tell a big difference in her when she needs to get that shot. So did they check your mom for b-12? My mom has very bad short term memory, I learned to just answer the questions over and over again. My kids dont understand it but they are getting better with it. I hope your mom is doing well.



Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's

Posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 08:06:47:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by ANN [407.489] on April 05, 2004 at 08:00:37:

Hi Ann,
My mom's doctor said all her blood tests were good, so I don't know if B12 shots will do her any good. I just don't know what supplements to give her that will help. thanks, maryann



Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's

Posted by Connie [410.1024] on April 05, 2004 at 10:04:44:

In Reply to: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 07:30:46:

Maryann, I do not believe that your mom has alzheimers everyone I know who is getting older like your mom does and I know a lot of older people in my Church. My sister who is 83 also has this. She can't even remember names has to think a while. Also my close friend who I have known for years is now 85 she has this short time memory real bad. The doctors do not think she has alzheimers but says it goes with age. I know too many people like this? I don't believe everyone is getting alzheimers. You can not tell if a person has it until they die and then you have a test did on their brain. So I don't see how her doctor can tell? I would be afraid to give her all those sulpements or what it is that your are giving her, because at her age she might get too much of one thing. Make sure she is eating right.

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Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's

Posted by Steve [135.4] on April 05, 2004 at 12:53:16:

In Reply to: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 07:30:46:

Maryann, Here are a few more supplements for memory loss in order of importance..
Co-Q-10
Acetl-L-carnitine
Alpha lipoic acid
N-acetylcysteine
Phosphatidylserine
Phosphatidylcholine
B vitamins
Vinpocetine
Don't forget a sluggish colon and liver can cause brain fog.. That would be the first thing I would look at, but I doubt you could get a 83 year old person to submit to a colonic or a liver flush..Silver Fox!



For silver fox...

Posted by
maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 14:57:21:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by Steve [135.4] on April 05, 2004 at 12:53:16:

thank you for the response. that is a lot of supplements. are they safe to take with aricept and blood pressure pill? do you recommend gingko?? I don't think she will take all of those....
thanks
maryann



Re: For silver fox...

Posted by Steve [14.431] on April 05, 2004 at 20:02:18:

In Reply to: For silver fox... posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 14:57:21:

I would start with only one..First one on the list..Give it 2 months..Is it helping, yes/no..Ginkgo is the flaver of the month..Try the other ones first..Silver Fox!



Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's (vs senile dementia) Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 06, 2004 at 06:51:37:

In Reply to: Re: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 08:06:47:

Maryann,

They could do no harm with a therapeutic trial! Remember that more than 90% of Alzheimer's (diagnosed prior to death) turns out to be a treatable form of senile dementia at autopsy and not Alzheimer's at all.

Walt

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Re: For silver fox...

Posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on April 06, 2004 at 12:31:39:

In Reply to: Re: For silver fox... posted by Steve [14.431] on April 05, 2004 at 20:02:18:

Hi Maryann,

Be cautious with gingko if your mom is taking anything to thin her blood, even low-dose aspirin therapy. Gingko will do that as well.

Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg



for nutmeg

Posted by maryann [142.20] on April 06, 2004 at 12:50:16:

In Reply to: Re: For silver fox... posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on April 06, 2004 at 12:31:39:

thanks for the warning. she takes high blood pressure pill in the morning in addition to aricept. I decided to increase her b vitamins to 100 mg. three times a day and up her vitamin C, and continue with vitamin E (600 mg. twice a day). I looked into l-acelyl-carnitine and it is so expensive. And I am not going to trying ginko yet. She also takes a multi vitamin. Also, I cannot find trace minerals (cyrstalized or ionic) as dr. stoll recommends.
maryann



Re: for maryann

Posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on April 06, 2004 at 23:17:53:

In Reply to: for nutmeg posted by maryann [142.20] on April 06, 2004 at 12:50:16:

Hi Maryann,

I think vitamin E has mild blood-thinning properties, as well, so that may be plenty for her.

Are you looking for trace mineral capsules or liquid? I have one called ConcenTrace in liquid ionic form. Come to think of it, I think I've seen it in capsules as well, but I don't know if it is crystallized or powder. You can also get liquid ionic minerals from wateroz.com, but I'm not sure if they have a blend or if they only sell them separately.

Please let us know how it goes and if you notice any difference in your mom's memory. I know what a worry it is.

Nutmeg

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Everyone needs sublingual B12 daily

Posted by
Jon Carlson [1263.517] on April 07, 2004 at 20:41:26:

In Reply to: Walt, please help re: alzheimer's posted by maryann [142.20] on April 05, 2004 at 07:30:46:

Aricet caused my Mother lots of trouble.
The digestive system has to be checked out: adequate stomach acid, Pancreas producing bicarbonate and enzymes, etc. Otherwise food injested doesn't provide adequate nutrition. It is important to get a hair analysis kit from www.bodybalance, a division of Great Smokies Lab to check on mineral levels.
Sublinqual B12 5mg from www.iherb.com essential. EVERYONE NEEDS IT EVEN YOU.

Memory cure from Dr. Cathcart www.orthomed.com

I have noticed that a cocktail of B12-Hydroxy-Cobal 1000 mcg/ml 1 cc, B-Complex-100, 1 cc, Folic Acid Injection 10 mg/ml, 1 cc injected intramuscularly 2 times a week will restore much of the memory of many patients with senile dementia. Along with a total nutritional program even the progress of Alzheimer's disease will be slowed.

I have had 3 lady patients in their 90's in the last few years who have had to give up bridge because they could not remember the cards. After a B12, folic acid, multiple B shot they were able to play bridge again. The last lady won the pot for the day, 2 days after the shot and was complimented on how well she played.

My mother's doctor refused to do it. I did it orally. Worked well. Doctors are just drug-pushers.




Everyone doesn't needs sublingual B12 daily

Posted by Gregory [5.796] on April 07, 2004 at 21:52:44:

In Reply to: Everyone needs sublingual B12 daily posted by Jon Carlson [1263.517] on April 07, 2004 at 20:41:26:

If you are getting it in your food in adequate amounts, then of course you don't need it. It is foolhardy to assign absolutes to the
human body as if everyone is the same as everyone else. Catch a clue. Quick.



Re: Everyone doesn't needs sublingual B12 daily

Posted by
Jon Carlson [1318.517] on April 08, 2004 at 21:28:18:

In Reply to: Everyone doesn't needs sublingual B12 daily posted by Gregory [5.796] on April 07, 2004 at 21:52:44:

Gregory, order some from www.iherb.com and try it. Then report back. Only from experience comes wisdom. We are talking optimum health not the usual drag yourself around all day 'normal' health. Regards, JC



Re: Everyone doesn't need sublingual B12 daily

Posted by Gregory [5.796] on April 08, 2004 at 22:02:11:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone doesn't needs sublingual B12 daily posted by Jon Carlson [1318.517] on April 08, 2004 at 21:28:18:

I already have B complex in my supplements, and wish I didn't have to take them. But I stand by my statements. Everything else being
equal, the closer you are to the land, assuming non-depleted soil, the less need, if any for supplementation. Short of catastrophic
damage to the food supply, there is never a need to supplement. Since that is the sort of damage that HAS occured, supplementation,
unfortunately is required for large portions of the population. However, even within that group, there are those who need little, if
any supplementation of B, which statistically has to be the case.

You seem rather eager to push people to these sites to buy various things which they may or may not need, so I question not only your
information, but your motivation as well.

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Re: Everyone needs sublingual B12 daily

Posted by
Jon Carlson [1201.4] on April 10, 2004 at 15:41:07:

In Reply to: Everyone needs sublingual B12 daily posted by Jon Carlson [1263.517] on April 07, 2004 at 20:41:26:

April 5, 2004 http://www.lef.org/whatshot/#rvbl

Reduced vitamin B12 levels correlate with poor memory in those at risk for Alzheimer's disease

In a study published in the April 2004 issue of the American Psychological Association journal, Neuropsychology, healthy individuals who carry the e4 allele version of the gene for apolipoprotein E (e4 ApoE ) were found to perform more poorly on memory tests if their levels of vitamin B12 were low compared to those with higher levels of the vitamin. The genoptype, carried by an estimated 15 percent of the population, is a risk factor for dementia, with 25 percent of carriers with one copy of the allele going on to develop Alzheimer's disease.

David Bunce , PhD, of Goldsmith's College, University of London, Miia Kivipelto, PhD, MD, of the Aging Research Center at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, and Åke Wahlin, PhD, of the University of Stockholm, sought to determine how the additional challenge of low levels of vitamin B12 affected carriers of the genotype. The study involved 167 participants in a large project that followed community-dwellers in Stockholm, Sweden, age 75 and older. In the current study, blood samples were analyzed for the gene and for vitamin B12 levels. Half of the participants were found to have low levels of the vitamin. Analysis of the results of the subjects' memory tests revealed that among those who carried the gene, individuals with normal levels of B12 recalled a greater number of words and performed better in other tests related to episodic memory than those who had low levels of the vitamin. In the most demanding test, the genotype plus low levels of vitamin B12 were significantly associated with lower performance.

The authors stated "є4 ApoE carriers may derive relatively greater cognitive benefits from B12 and folate supplements. Supplement treatment is relatively inexpensive and may be required as part of preventive health regimes for older persons."

-D Dye

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