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A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

However, the police say he is "harmless".
He is 21, lost about 50 pounds this year, talks about voices talking to him about killing, jumps in people's pools, knocks on doors and asks you if you are into the MAtrix and if you believe in it, tells people he has Matrix powers, he entered a home where only an 8th grader was home and started yelling that he was powerful and had powers (the kid called 911 and he left)etc.....

...and the police feel he is harmless. They are not even getting him for trespassing even though I called them, they questioned him, and he admitted it.
This is ridiculous. What gives?
I've written to his parents AND a few of us composed (carefully/legally) a note to neighbors.



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by PhillyLady [1906.913] on June 24, 2004 at 09:43:38:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

Hi Michele:

What's his diagnosis? He could be totally harmless or totally not.



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by PENNY [1067.11] on June 24, 2004 at 10:20:47:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

This is NOT a kid..
1 of 2 things here.. the "kid" must be held legally responsible for his actions(he is 21) unless someone else has legal guardianship due to mental illness or instability.
If that is the case.. THEN the person(s) with legal guardianship is/are responsible and need to be held accountable for his infractions , however "minor".. check with a para legal and see if you have grounds for a civil case if the police department will not take any action.

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Ron [1540.81] on June 24, 2004 at 11:55:55:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

Hi Michele,

Schizophrenics feel that way in a lot of cases.
He needs to be convinced thatthe voices are not going to hurt him, but that is difficult when they do not stop.

Summer seems to be a prime time for these sad cases to do
what the voices say. Many have jumped off bridges or stolen a car to try to escape. Some have been killed by police when they cause a disturbance while in possession of a machete.
If you can gain his trust enough to convince him to see a pychiatrist and get on an anti-psychotic med he will be much happier. Right now he may simply be suffering from a
chemical imbalance that can be corrected with diet and B12,
Omega3 etc. He may already be thinking that the food he is eating is poisoning him, that the chemicals used on lawn bug control are hurting him... It is not possible to reason when the fears can not be calmed.
This will not go away in a few days like a cold.

What would you do if he had voices telling him to burn down your house or to kill someone? Don't let him get a
crush on you for trying to help unless you want to be stalked. Remember Jodie Foster and her FAN?

Ron



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Michele [2079.15] on June 24, 2004 at 14:18:14:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Ron [1540.81] on June 24, 2004 at 11:55:55:

I actually don't per se want to "help him"; though I'd like to point his parents in the right direction and get the police to take this seriously.
My concern is my children.

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Posted by Michele [2079.15] on June 24, 2004 at 14:19:23:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by PhillyLady [1906.913] on June 24, 2004 at 09:43:38:

There is no diagnoses. His parents ignore him. The police figure if he hasn't "hurt himself or anyone or property" he is not a threat.

My issue is that the police better wake up. FAST.



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by DonnaW [302.1215] on June 24, 2004 at 14:23:05:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

Hi Michele,

I hope you don't take this the wrong way (I don't mean to be mean), but I swear you live in a soap opera! Even with a husband, 2 boys (one a 16 year-old), 2 dogs, 2 cats, career, home renovation, sports (son going to the nationals), volunteer work, etc.; my life is completely boring compared. . .

What do his parents say? Sounds like he may suffer with mental illness. I would think he (and his family?) needs some compassionate intervention.

Good luck,

Donna



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Carol D. [634.155] on June 24, 2004 at 14:54:06:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

Hi Michele:

I can understand your concern. I would be concerned as well. But, if he truly hasn't done anything, there is nothing the police can do.

Sadly, I think it is common for parents of mentally ill children to be in denial about their children's illness. It's a very tough thing to face. I've mentioned briefly about my husband's ex-wife, who is very severely mentally ill. She did not start having psychotic breaks until after she became pregnant and went off her anti-seizure medication. But, it has been reported after the fact that there were signs all throughout her life that something was wrong. Her parents just didn't want to face it. Not that she would have gotten the help she needed (system isn't set up for it), but at least she would have gotten some help and people would have known.

Perhaps you could find out some possible resources in your area to suggest to the parents. Try approaching them from a compassionate point of view. But I think I would also express your concern for your children. Be specific about the actions the you have observed.

I can't really think of anything else you can do, except call the police if you feel that someone is in immediate danger or he's doing something illegal.

If the parents have the resources and seem open, someone like Dr. William Philpott would have better resources for actually helping the guy. Unfortunately, what happens to mentally ill people in the allopathic system is truly frightening.

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 24, 2004 at 18:53:12:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

you need to organize the males in your neighborhood. When the guy is having an episode, I would suggest about 5 of them put him in a car and take him to the emergency room. If he demonstrates that behavior or admits to it, the emergency room doctor can probably have him involutarily committed for observation. I believe Good Samaritan laws should cover citizens taking an obviously ill person to the hospital, whether they agree to go or not- just don't use weapons or violence- just sheer numbers.



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by PhillyLady [1906.41] on June 24, 2004 at 19:24:25:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 24, 2004 at 18:53:12:

Hi ANN:

It might be wiser (and legal) to call the police and have THEM remove the man from the neighborhood. They're only a phone call away. They're most likely trained to handle difficult situations like these.

Sometimes the mentally sick hurt themselves or others. Sometimes others hurt them. What do the neighbors know about the man's medical condition? Does he suffer seizures, etc..? If he's truly sick, it's best to call professionals who can remove him from the neighborhood without causing injuries to anyone.

I don't know, ANN, if I had a mentally ill son, I wouldn't trust the neighborhood men to forceably restrain and transport him someplace. Some people are sadistic.



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Happygal [2070.350] on June 24, 2004 at 20:45:34:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

Michele,

I would call your local mental health agency and see what advice and resources they can offer you. Certainly it's not a matter for the police, it's a mental health issue. The local agency may have some good suggestions.

Best wishes,
Jan



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Michele [20.15] on June 25, 2004 at 06:00:11:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Happygal [2070.350] on June 24, 2004 at 20:45:34:

I had called the police when I was only under the assumption that he was a stable young man who decided to trespass etc... it wasn't until after that it was "gossip" that he may have mental illness.

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Michele [20.15] on June 25, 2004 at 06:02:37:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 24, 2004 at 18:53:12:

Good idea but also a shaky one considering some factors; first of all, someone mentally ill who is talking about voices/killing should be handled by police or mental health professionals. Also, no one could actually sign him IN at the hospital unless he were really acting out; and at that, they would not have been able to control him without possible harm. Also, it is VERY possible that a neglectful family would JUMP at the chance to scream "abuse" at the neighbors.
I need (as a mother of children in this neighborhood) professional intervention and plan to seek those avenues.

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Michele [20.15] on June 25, 2004 at 06:04:41:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by DonnaW [302.1215] on June 24, 2004 at 14:23:05:

I hear ya!

(soap opera): luckily it's usually with OTHER peoples lives that are somehow affilated with me and not directly MY life!

(the young man) I do feel that compas. intervention is key, however, my focus is on safety for my children....

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on June 25, 2004 at 06:52:46:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Michele [20.15] on June 24, 2004 at 09:17:22:

Hi, Michele.

AFTER he kills, the police will get involved.

Walt



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Posted by Nina [24.4] on June 25, 2004 at 16:05:36:

In Reply to: None posted by Michele [2079.15] on June 24, 2004 at 14:19:23:

How sad. I have a close friend who sounds just like this and has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Everyone has always told me to stay away from him. His parents are good people but I can't help but say a little ignorant. I would hate to be in their shoes. Doctors have him on Haldol. He is 2 yrs. younger than me and I may regret feeling this way, but so far, he has been harmless and I am not afraid of him. Maybe I should be. I don't think Haldol is the answer either. It's easy for us to suggest resolutions without being in their shoes. I also don't think the neighborhood men should gang up on him. This could be one of our children. I'm not sure what the answer to this is but Good Luck.

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 25, 2004 at 19:45:25:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by PhillyLady [1906.41] on June 24, 2004 at 19:24:25:

Michelle has stated that the police have been called and say they can't do anything. Doctors at the emergency room CAN do something- the guy just has to be brought into their territory. The guy himself, in going around making these statements is asking for help- his family hasn't helped him, so others with an interest in the safety of the neighborhood have to.
Remember the washington sniper? He was brought to the attention of the police in his hometown, but nothing was done. Likewise, the male nursing student who killed a couple of his professors. The police can't do anything, so you have to go elsewhere.

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by dd [1706.26] on June 26, 2004 at 23:48:23:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on June 25, 2004 at 06:52:46:

Walt,

Isn't that the truth. Right now we are going through
something different, yet similar, with a kid in my
neighborhood. The police are useless. The kid is on a
rampage, has a record, is on parole, and is only 14.
The kids in the neighborhood are scared, and the
parents don't want to get involved in stopping this
problem. The current situation has been going on for 2
weeks now, and NOTHING has been done.

One of the girls in the neighborhood came to my house
late last night with 5 other kids from the neighborhood,
because her parents didn't believe her when she told
them that this kid had threatened her yet again. What
followed was just horrible. I had 6 kids in my home last
night, all between 10 and 14 years of age, with their
heads hanging down, looking at the ground, as they
confessed to horrible things they had seen over the last
two years. The parents didn't want to know, as I called
them, and they didn't believe the kids. This girl, that
has been sexually harrassed by this monster, wanted
to call the police last night to report his threats. Her
parents said no. Her mother is more concerned about
her rep than her daughters well being. The girl stayed
at my house until her dad came to get her. By that point
she was crying, and swore me to secrecy about the
sexual harrassment. I didn't know what to do. She said
that her parents wouldn't believe that it wasn't her fault.

Social services? Her mom is a shrink. I was horrified
at all I heard. This is a sleepy neighborhood at quick
glance. Reality hit hard. The police have been to my
home almost everyday, with me calling them, over and
over, reporting everything I can get my hands on. My
windows were shot out with a bb gun, and that was the
start of everything. When I began digging, and talking
with the kids, the shi_ hit the fan. All this info came
pouring out of these poor kids, and I just felt sick to my
stomach. There is no one here to help them. The
police said they can do nothing, because the parents
won't file the reports. They are useless. The laws
don't protect me nor the kids. There are kids that saw
many things happen, they have told the police, but the
police said it is too late to do anything about it. 2
months ago, this monster shot a 5 year old in the back
and the leg with a bb gun. A real gun, a 45, has been
reported, yet....even though this kid is on parole, and
even though there are witnesses that have come
forward, they say they can do nothing. WHAT??????
Something is terribly wrong here. It isn't the first time I
have run into this. They are going to wait until someone
is seriously hurt before anything will be done. And the
parents are unreal. God...I can't tell you how upset I
have been these past few weeks in seeing all of this
unfold. I am afraid for these children, and the police will
not help.

By the way, the boy is on parole for strangling one of his
teachers unconcious.

dd



A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"..(Archive.).

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on June 27, 2004 at 06:39:15:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by dd [1706.26] on June 26, 2004 at 23:48:23:

Thanks, DD.

Although I hate to hear it, your story is being repeated in my own neighborhood. These are symptoms of the breakdown of a society. As Pogo said so many years ago: "We have met the enemy and he is US."

This is one reason I have been donating so much of my time to this website. The only solution I can see is to greatly improve the health of the general public so we function better as a species. Hope springs eternal that it will not be too late.

Walt



Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"..(Archive.).

Posted by dd [1706.26] on June 27, 2004 at 16:27:44:

In Reply to: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"..(Archive.). posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on June 27, 2004 at 06:39:15:

And bless your heart (in more ways than one), for giving
up so much of your life to help.

dd

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Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"...

Posted by Ron [2014.81] on June 29, 2004 at 22:25:02:

In Reply to: Re: A kid in my neighborhood saying "voices want him to kill"... posted by dd [1706.26] on June 26, 2004 at 23:48:23:

Hi DD,

All I can say is that if the "Sheriff" in your town is
"ELECTED" he will listen to a petition to have him removed.

You might also call Child Protective Services about this delinquent. Obviously, he is not being controlled by his parents and might be better off in a group home.
His parents might even be afraid of him.

Ron
Ron

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