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Posted by Bridget [1616.20] on July 07, 2004 at 16:29:45:

Is lithium considered "natural," as a mood stablizer versus other drugs currently out on the market for mood disorders since it's a salt? Is it or is it not considered a chemical?

Thanks.




Re: Lithium

Posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 07, 2004 at 16:59:42:

In Reply to: Lithium posted by Bridget [1616.20] on July 07, 2004 at 16:29:45:

First, lithium is not a salt, it's metallic element, see this link below. It is toxic when overdosed, see this:
http://www.vh.org/adult/provider/psychiatry/CPS/32.html



Re: Lithium

Posted by Bridget [1616.20] on July 07, 2004 at 17:23:21:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 07, 2004 at 16:59:42:

My doctor would be monitoring my blood lithium levels. The toxicity aspect/blood test hassle is one reason I've put off trying this treatment for bipolar but wondered if it's better than using other medications.



Re: Lithium

Posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 07, 2004 at 17:58:25:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by Bridget [1616.20] on July 07, 2004 at 17:23:21:

All drugs have their side effects and it's a matter of the chances you are willing to take. Is it possible for you to try herbal products for a while to see if they help? There is an anti-stress product called Bach Rescue Remedy that one of the ladies here suggested to me and I have been taking it for a week, it seems to help and I am calmer. You can also try valerian or chamomile as a natural calmative. I am not sure how deep your problem is since you didn't say much about it.
You might try to get a second opinion or see archives for testimonies.



Re: Lithium

Posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 07, 2004 at 18:30:20:

In Reply to: Lithium posted by Bridget [1616.20] on July 07, 2004 at 16:29:45:

What you were talking about was probably lithium carbonate which is used in controling manic-depressive behavior.
List of possible side effects is very long as follows:

The following side effects are dependent on the serum level of lithium. CV: Arrhythmia, hypotension, peripheral circulatory collapse bradycardia, sinus node dysfunction with severe bradycardia causing syncope; reversible flattening, isoelectricity, or inversion of T waves. CNS: Blackout spells, epileptiform seizures, slurred speech, dizziness, vertigo, somnolence, psychomotor retardation, restlessness, sleepiness, confusion, stupor, coma, acute dystonia, startled response, hypertonicity, slowed intellectual functioning, hallucinations, poor memory, tics, cog wheel rigidity, tongue movements. Pseudotumor cerebri leading to increased intracranial pressure and papilledema; if undetected may cause enlargement of the blind spot, constriction of visual fields, and eventual blindness. Diffuse slowing of EEG; widening of frequency spectrum of EEG; disorganization of background rhythm of EEG. GI: Anorexia, N&V, diarrhea, dry mouth, gastritis, salivary gland swelling, abdominal pain, excessive salivation, flatulence, indigestion, incontinence of urine or feces, dysgeusia/taste distortion, salty taste, swollen lips, denal caries. Dermatologic: Drying and thinning of hair, anesthesia of skin, chronic folliculitis, xerosis cutis, alopecia, exacerbation of psoriasis, acne, angioedema. Neuromuscular: Tremor, muscle hyperirritability (fasciculations, twitching, clonic movements), ataxia, choreo-athetotic movements, hyperactive DTRs, polyarthralgia. GU: Albuminuria, oliguria, polyuria, glycosuria, decreased CCR, symptoms of nephrogenic diabetes, impotence/sexual dysfunction. Thyroid: Euthyroid goiter or hypothyroidism, including myxedema, accompanied by lower T3 and T4. Miscellaneous: Fatigue, lethargy, dehydration, weight loss, transient scotomata, tightness in chest, hypercalcemia, hyperparathyroidism, thirst, swollen painful joints, fever.
The following symptoms are unrelated to lithium dosage. Transient EEG and ECG changes, leukocytosis, headache, diffuse nontoxic goiter with or without hypothyroidism, transient hyperglycemia, generalized pruritus with or without rash, cutaneous ulcers, albuminuria, worsening of organic brain syndrome, excessive weight gain, edematous swelling of ankles or wrists, thirst or polyuria (may resemble diabetes mellitus), metallic taste, symptoms similar to Raynaud's phenomenon.

Source: http://www.healthdigest.org/drugs/lithiumcarbonate.html

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Re: Lithium

Posted by
MDA [1616.4] on July 07, 2004 at 23:47:16:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 07, 2004 at 17:58:25:

Not to sound like an expert, but I've taken over 100 "natural bipolar supplements" over the last five years. Here are my rank ordered list of natural things you can do to combat bipolar.
1. Avoid Stress
2. Have a steady routine.
3. Exercise
4. Take EFA's (flax seed oil or cod liver oil)
5. Find out if you have any food allergies. Go to www.usbiotek.com for the best deal of a comprehensive assay of IGG and IGE antibodies. Elevated if you have any food allergies.
6. Eliminate sugar from your diet.
7. Buy Abram Hoffer's book.

I have no more to say
Matt Allen
360 510 8476



Re: Lithium

Posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 08, 2004 at 00:24:00:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by MDA [1616.4] on July 07, 2004 at 23:47:16:

Except for the book I have done it all and yet sometimes those very stressful situations are hard to avoid.

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Re: Lithium (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 08, 2004 at 07:50:28:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by MDA [1616.4] on July 07, 2004 at 23:47:16:

Thanks, MDA!

Walt

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Re: Lithium

Posted by R. [27.1263] on July 08, 2004 at 17:04:02:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 07, 2004 at 16:59:42:

Anything is toxic when overdosed.



Re: Lithium

Posted by R. [27.1263] on July 08, 2004 at 17:13:12:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by Bridget [1616.20] on July 07, 2004 at 17:23:21:

As WOW said, you were probably talking about lithium carbonate. But according to VRP, in therapeutic dosage range of lithium orotate (150 mg/day as opposed to 900-1800 mg of the prescription forms), there are no adverse lithium side reactions and no need for monitoring blood serum measurements. Read Lithium Orotate: The Unique, Safe Mineral with Multiple Uses and others:

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Re: Lithium

Posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 08, 2004 at 19:57:21:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by R. [27.1263] on July 08, 2004 at 17:04:02:

Very true, R. Even butter :-)



Re: Lithium

Posted by R. [2086.62] on July 09, 2004 at 09:55:19:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 08, 2004 at 19:57:21:

No, except for butter :)



Re: Lithium

Posted by WOW [1317.457] on July 09, 2004 at 16:37:12:

In Reply to: Re: Lithium posted by R. [2086.62] on July 09, 2004 at 09:55:19:

And fruit :-)

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