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PTSD and chronic marijuana use

Posted by
chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

do you think smoking marijuana daily makes ptsd worse?

it makes me paranoid sometimes but im fine when i come down.

do you just think its real dangerous to mess with?

i am having a tough time stopping but now i think maybe i dont need to. i am 29 and have chornic anxiety ptsd ocd whatever.



Re: PTSD and chronic marijuana use

Posted by Steve [2966.1351] on December 21, 2004 at 09:14:26:

In Reply to: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

You answered your own post..Anything you eat, chew, drink or smoke that causes you to lose control is no good for you, IMO..

Silver Fox!

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Re: PTSD and chronic marijuana use

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on December 21, 2004 at 09:33:38:

In Reply to: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

anything that cuts down on oxygen going to your brain is a negative-tobacco, pot, a poorly vented fireplace-oxygen is a basic need of humans.
Every bad thing you cut out and every good thing you add will improve your health-drop pot,sugar, white flour, add whole grains and veggies. You wouldn't expect your car to run well if you didn't put the right things in it's tank-don't expect your body/brain to run well if you give it bad stuff.

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Re: PTSD and chronic marijuana use

Posted by Happygal [2070.23] on December 21, 2004 at 09:50:52:

In Reply to: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

Hi Chris,

Sounds like you have an addiction going here. I'd get off it and not use it again. Sounds dangerous to me.

Yes, it sounds from your description like it makes PTSD worse.

Best wishes,
Jan

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advice on quitting

Posted by
chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 09:54:00:

In Reply to: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

how do i quit?
i have tried AA and NA. I want to but inside somewhere, I dont. Its like i feel like i cant get better. So I say oh well and smoke but keep going to work.

Any other ideas on quitting? Its all around me. Most people I know, do it.

I am considering moving to california. I am in Boston now.



Re: advice on quitting

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on December 21, 2004 at 10:23:20:

In Reply to: advice on quitting posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 09:54:00:

finding new friends who don't smoke can be a good start-maybe ask non-smoking friends over or ask them to suggest people to date who don't smoke.
Identifying the stressors that you might smoke in response to and changing them can help, too. If your job is a major stressor, for example, that you feel the need to smoke after, you might look to change jobs. If certain family members are stressors, see those people less, communicating by e-mail or letter instead of face to face and spend more time with relatives who don't stress you.
If you're in a really stressful relationship, you might want to change that by relationship counseling or consider whether the relationship is right for you- talk it over with the person.

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Re: PTSD and chronic marijuana use

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on December 21, 2004 at 14:49:00:

In Reply to: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

I think the paranoia comes from using something that is illegal. It can't be that good if it causes paranoia, even if it makes you feel good in other ways. I think pot is a tool to learn from, as to why you need/like it, and what it does to you. Thinking when under it, as opposed to just rlaxing with it, may give you answers.

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Re: advice on quitting: Moving to California? Well, that depends...

Posted by bing [1067.4] on December 21, 2004 at 14:50:34:

In Reply to: advice on quitting posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 09:54:00:

...depends on which part of California you want to move to. In my part--the north (Humbolt county in particular), just about everybody uses pot. In fact, this area is known for growing pot and mushrooms. So in this case, this kind of environment wouldn't be helpful for your quitting.

It's perhaps a good idea to substitute an unhealthy addiction with a healthy one. I'd suggest you start running, which can also give you a high, only in a very healthy way.



Re: advice on quitting

Posted by cici [2502.1462] on December 21, 2004 at 14:51:29:

In Reply to: advice on quitting posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 09:54:00:

Hi, Chris. I want to share with you that I have PTSD (panic attacks and the whole nine yards), and that a few years ago I kind of fell in with the wrong crowd and began smoking (pot and cigs). I can tell you with assuredness that pot does make anxiety symptoms worse. When I decided to go to therapy (an anxiety group class) instead of unsuccessful attempts at self-medicating, I learned that some of the neurological effects of THC is that it stimulates the area right near the area that many neurologists and researchers believe is where panic attacks and PTSD problems reside, and this can set off anxiety symptoms.

It may not seem that attractive to you to really give up your current lifestyle, but hear me now believe me later, the only way to get rid of your PTSD is to balance your life. It is obviously out of balance. The allure of pot is its lifestyle and of course, when you have friends that are into it, it's even more challenging to be strong—but you can do it. Balance in your life is really working at your optimum body-mind-soul balance. All three must be nourished properly. Bad events in your past are stored in your body and mind, but smoking only represses them temporarily, and then sometimes, as you probably know, it amplifies them and you're stuck inside your own personal hell for a few hours. Be good to yourself.

Bottom line: Stop smoking, while starting to take up another form of relaxation in its place (some people do meditation, some people listen to tapes, some people take up tai chi or yoga, some people practice breathing slowly and deeply, counting the breaths as they go); Cut way down on sugar (if you need the sweets, try unrefined sugar) and refined flour and increase veggies; and try walking for a little bit each day, even if it's only ten minutes.

I would also suggest a talky-therapy (you know, like a psychologist; and if you already have one and it isn't working, do a switcheroo to a new one that does work) to help with the PTSD. I have had GREAT success with a form of therapy that involves EMNR (or was it EMRN? :) ) that is a drug-free way to reduce anxiety and has been shown to reduce PTSD widely. If you like tapes or CDs, try listening to Wayne Dyer's "The Sacred Self" or any other type of anxiety-busting program. I recommend Dyer specifically because he himself had substance problems before finding the path to balanced wellness, and he talks about it.

Being anxiety free can be done. The real, balanced, healthy and happy kernel inside of you that is really you is not all about the pot. In fact, that's the part that's crying out. Nourish that part of you, and let go of all of the attachments to false anxiety relievers. It takes some time and some practice, but if you dedicate yourself, you will find yourself a few months from now an entirely different (and better) version of yourself. Your whole outlook will change and you will have a new enjoyment of today and hopes for the future. THAT'S the best trip I can think of—it sure beats the hell out of beating yourself up and lying to yourself that it's all herbal, just to escape your bad feelings. You body-mind and spirit are a package deal. Nourish them all, and also, know that whatever your concept is of a higher power (God, Christ, Buddha, Ganesha, Mother Earth, etc.) that he/it/she is with you and within you. Love who you are and the world will love you back in ways you can't even imagine.

:)

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Re: advice on quitting: Moving to California? Well, that depends...

Posted by Cici [1666.1462] on December 21, 2004 at 14:59:23:

In Reply to: Re: advice on quitting: Moving to California? Well, that depends... posted by bing [1067.4] on December 21, 2004 at 14:50:34:

Oh, yeah! I almost forgot, Chris.

Bing's suggestion to take up running is great! I started slowly (walking quickly first, then interspersing short jogging stretches with walking—like 1/4 mile jog, 1/4 mile walk, repeat, etc.), but after awhile, it does give a great natural "high"—except it feels much better and it lasts all day! Serotonin and endorphins are wonderful, and even your work will seem nicer, or at least you'll be able to put it into perspective.

As for Cali, I live in SoCal (LA), and some people do and some people don't and it's cool if you don't and it's semi-alright if you do (usually younger people and disillusioned Industry people); but here in the city of lost angels, people understand if you're sober, and they kind of respect it. So, do your thing :)



Re: advice on quitting

Posted by Cici [1666.1462] on December 21, 2004 at 15:04:07:

In Reply to: advice on quitting posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 09:54:00:

Sorry - almost forgot. I just saw that you mentioned OCD. That will most definitely be helped by diet and exercise changes. Kick up your serotonin naturally. My favorite "chill out" meal that really helps with anxiety and OCD is to eat a baked potato topped with broccoli and turkey (and some melted cheese if you need it :) ) and take a B spectrum vitamin. Wash that down with a glass of warm milk, and you'll be feeling MUCH calmer (and you'll sleep better, too!) FYI—you're probably also depressed, so take comfort in the fact that if you walk every day for about 30-45 minutes (work up to it if you need to), after 6 weeks, you'll have the same antidepressant effects as those on a low dosage of Prozac. ;)

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Re: advice on quitting: Moving to California? Well, that depends...

Posted by
chris [283.4] on December 21, 2004 at 20:39:45:

In Reply to: Re: advice on quitting: Moving to California? Well, that depends... posted by Cici [1666.1462] on December 21, 2004 at 14:59:23:

you guys rock. thanks for the inspiration. ill keep you posted on how i go.

thanks so much.

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Re: PTSD and chronic marijuana use

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.1465] on December 22, 2004 at 06:51:47:

In Reply to: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 08:43:06:

Chris,

Yes. This only happens to people who are genetically suscpetible to this effect but: How can MJ be SO imporatant to you that you would continue to risk a worsening problem? This, alone, is an indication that you may be one of those people.

Walt



Re: advice on quitting

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on December 22, 2004 at 17:19:20:

In Reply to: advice on quitting posted by chris [3058.218] on December 21, 2004 at 09:54:00:

try smoking and then meditating

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Marijuana ain't what it used to be...

Posted by Jane (1) [1475.4] on December 23, 2004 at 04:20:53:

In Reply to: Re: PTSD and chronic marijuana use posted by Walt Stoll [9.1465] on December 22, 2004 at 06:51:47:

Hi,

Remember that marijuana is no longer a 'soft' drug. It is 20 times as strong as it was in the 70s, thanks to hydroponics and genetic selection etc. It can cause psychosis and schizophrenia in susceptible people. But you know all this - you have internet access and you have friends and it's pretty common knowledge.

It's very addictive - join Narcotics Anonymous or AA for a while and get into Recovery. I have a friend who is addicted to marijuana and had to do just that to get over it.

Cheers

Jane



Re: Marijuana ain't what it used to be... Amen.. Archive in brain chemistry.

Posted by Waalt Stoll [9.1465] on December 24, 2004 at 06:59:10:

In Reply to: Marijuana ain't what it used to be... posted by Jane (1) [1475.4] on December 23, 2004 at 04:20:53:

Thanks,Jane.

You are perfectly correct. To me, this just points up the schizophrenia of the government that railed against it when it was 20 times less potent and relatively harmless. Now that it is potent enough to bother some people, no one believes the government any more.

It is just damaging to a larger slice of genetically susceptible prople now.

Walt

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Re: Marijuana ain't what it used to be...

Posted by Ron [2014.1617] on December 25, 2004 at 20:13:23:

In Reply to: Marijuana ain't what it used to be... posted by Jane (1) [1475.4] on December 23, 2004 at 04:20:53:

Hi Walt,

Maybe there are a lot of schiphrenics who are without medical coverage... They maybe self-medicating because it helps to
calm the cacophony of stimulai that comes with the condition.
Could it be that they become a problem when they are unable
to get their required dose?
What if they are not addicted, but simply have found something which turns off the voices and fears?

Some are able to go to work without the need for prescription meds. Now that it is so much stronger, the establishment
fears the good it may do for those with chronic pain and
glaucoma for starters.

What we may need are studies done by schizophrenics, to get the "rest of the story".

Ron

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Re: Marijuana ain't what it used to be...

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on December 25, 2004 at 23:29:40:

In Reply to: Marijuana ain't what it used to be... posted by Jane (1) [1475.4] on December 23, 2004 at 04:20:53:

hard to believe that pot is 20X stronger than it used to be. I would wonder if it is being spiked with drugs that cause peoblems. That is always the worry with something that is illegal and of unknown source.

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