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Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior

Posted by
Dogchopper on February 10, 2000 at 12:03:09:

Well, I posted to Dr. Kim about my girl, but I thought i'd ask a few questions about vitmain therapy and see if I can get some help. I have talked to Ronald Dishinger who has an online book about biochemical behavior. He suggested I try a mega vitmain therapy on my girl. by MEGA I mean 1000mg of B12, 2000mg B6, 3000mg B3(non flushing)100mg zinc, and Taurine for sleep.. And he also said 3000mg of Vitamin C and then to up it 1000mg a day untill her stool was loose (not runny) BUt.... I cant seem to use the vitmain C because it gives her sores in her mouth.
And the vitmains are not working. Do you think it's the lack of Vitmain C that is making it not work? If so any ideas how to get around the canker sore problem? I too suffer from canker sores when I eat any food with acid in it.
Anyways, I have been doing this for 3 or 4 weeks now and so far no change. So any ideas as to why???????
Thanks.



Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 2000 at 10:55:16:

In Reply to: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior posted by Dogchopper on February 10, 2000 at 12:03:09:

Hi, Dogchopper (I will bet there is an interesting story behind THAT handle.)

Han you briefly describe her behavior, her age and what has been tried already?

Walt



Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior

Posted by
Dogchopper on February 12, 2000 at 17:03:03:

In Reply to: Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior posted by Walt Stoll on February 12, 2000 at 10:55:16:

Well the name .. Im just a little ole dog groomer. AKA Dog Chopper.

Anyways, my girl is 7 she is bipolar/ADD/ODD????? what ever you want to name it.. She is basically a very explosive child. If you ask her to do ANYTHING good or bad she will scream at you. throw things, and just drive you crazy. She used to go into rages over simple things. Her rages would last hours, I would put her in bed and she would scream from say, 8:00 till past midinte when she would finally pass out.
I have put her on medications in the past. Prozac, Dexidrine Lithium, depakote, and risperdal. They helped some. Risperdal did the most good. But a little over a year ago I took her to the Pfeiffer treatment center in Illinois. They tested her and put her on a vitmain therapy. It worked for a while, until she got sick, and like a dummy I let the doctor put her on antibiotics. Well, it messed her up and i have never gotten her calmed down since. I cant afford to take her back and have her retested so, im trying to figure this out on my own. So, Ronald Dishinger told me to try this vitmain therapy on her which is much more aggressive than the Pfeiffer treatment centers was, many of the same vimtains but much larger dosages.
The clinic said she was Pylouric, had a high blood hystamine level and low zinc.
She has had problems since she was ooo probley 8 months old. Slowly it got worse from there. We moved to Micihgan and I have ALWAYS wondered if all the indrustial polution had an impact. She also had too MANY vaccines. I think 2 extra DPT's and it seemed like with every vaccine she also got a bit worse? her first vaccines seem to have made her allergic to milk so we had to switch to soy.. and she just got crankier from then on? but.. Im not positive that is the problem? just a hunch.

Anyways, the vitmain therapy is not working at all, infact it seems to be making her worse? I am going to try her on a wheat free diet next but I am wondering if even that will work. But if it doesnt I will be back to meds next.

I have tried my best to get a doctor to do some blood tests on her to see if she has allergies, but so far no doctors that I can go to will even consider it. I also wanted to get one to treat her for the yeast problems, and again NO WAY. So, I bought some oil of oregano and am hoping this will help? but I am about out of options.

Thanks for listening to this long story!!



Re: Vitamin therapy for Oppositional behavior (More to it than that!) (Start a behavioral archives with this.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 13, 2000 at 09:15:07:

In Reply to: Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior posted by Dogchopper on February 12, 2000 at 17:03:03:

Thanks, Dogchopper.

As you have learned, nutrition has something to do with this but it is only part of the problem. The Pfeiffer center is years ahead of the conventional paradigm but they would be the first to say that they were just scratchng the surface and had a lot more to learn.

The one thing that has been definitely established, within the past year, is that behavioral problems like this (including Autism even) are directly related to the lining of the gut and the associated blood/brain barrier.

You might try getting the most recent data by going to the website at healthcomm.com OR calling their number at (800) 843-9660. Since this story is just now unfolding, you might ask them what it would cost for you to get the June-September (inclusive) tapes and attachments for this kind of condition. From that, I would bet that you would subscribe for the next year.

With this child, my first thing would be to do my best to become a student of our changing paradigm of what causes it.

There is little doubt that environmental sensitivities are contributing to this but even more important is WHY that would be the case. There is even an entire chapter about this in my book: "Mood, Mind, Memory and Behavior". That might be a good place for you to start.

In the meantime, you would benefit by finding a good Clinical Ecologist in your area. See the glossary for any information like this.

I have yet to see a child that did not respond in dramatic fashion when the tangled and interrelated causes are teased out. The real problem right now is not that we cannot deal with her brain chemistry and immunity but that she now has a behavioral problem that has formed in the years she has had to try to cope with her chemical problem. Once THAT basic cause has been addressed, at least you have a chance of dealing with the psychological problem residual. Right now you have no chance or doing that.

If she were MY child, while I was waiting to become an expert, I would start her on about 1 tablespoon of cod liver oil per day. Since you may not get her to take it, you need to see about finding it in capsules. This new discovery about the causes of this kind of behavior works miracles for a % of these children. I think the September issue of the tapes I mentioned above deals with that from their "Clinician/Researcher of the month".

Do not keep her on that dose for more than 6 months without professional (NOT simply conventional but someone who knows about the future of the management of this condition) supervision.

Walt




Re: Vitamin therapy for Oppositional behavior (More to it than that!) (Start a behavioral archives with this.)

Posted by
Dogchopper on February 13, 2000 at 16:46:03:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamin therapy for Oppositional behavior (More to it than that!) (Start a behavioral archives with this.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 13, 2000 at 09:15:07:

Thanks for the info, I am going to check into it. But.. at healthcom.com I did not see what you were talking about? I may have missed it but I dont see what I am asking to order? It seems like it has to do strictly with drug companies?
So, Any help? Of if i call the 800 number what am I asking for? tapes about what?
Thanks



Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior

Posted by
Kyra on February 14, 2000 at 13:06:19:

In Reply to: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior posted by Dogchopper on February 10, 2000 at 12:03:09:


Hi Dogchopper,

I might have some useful input for you here. I was diagnosed as pyroluric many years ago and was also put on megavitamin therapy by Michael Lesser MD in Berkeley, CA (510-845-0700; he's semi-retired now). I didn't exhibit oppositional behaviors, but had a bunch of odd physical and perceptual symptoms, along with labile depression. Lesser worked with the orthomolecular medicine giants of the time; Pfeiffer, Yuryiya-Tobias, and Hoffer. What strikes me about your daughter's vitamin doc is that he's well-meaning but may be *way* off the mark as to specific meganutrient therapy. First (and this is all per what I learned from Lesser), 2000 mg of B6 is way too high for even an adult. 1000 mg (1 gram) is as high as anyone should go. Higher than that and one risks neurological problems; in particular paresthesias of hands and feet. The B6 (at a dosage of over 200 mg) *must* be balanced with equivalent dosages of B1 (thiamin) and B2 (riboflavin). The B3 may or may not be necessary. If your daughter's eosinophil count is high (+1), she probably doesn't need the B3. 3000 mg is an extreme dose. A good empirical test to see if she can really use it is to ask her how the "niacin flush" feels. If it feels good, she probably needs the niacin. If the niacin makes her feel like "there's ants crawling under her skin", it's practically guaranteed that she doesn't need it. The best way for a pyroluric to get the necessary and most absorbable zinc is via Ziman Fortified Capsules (Willner Chemists; they have an 800 number and do phone orders.) Depending on how low your daughter's zinc levels are per hair analysis, she may require from 1 to 2 caps daily. She also needs around 200 mg of natural alpha-tocopherol (vitamin E), and possibly calcium and magnesium supplements. The 3000 mg vitamin C may be high for her; if in fact she needs it at all. You might also want to try 500-1000 mg ester C rather than the cheaper vitamin C products which can be irritating to the gut (which starts with your oral tissues). Having said all this, I wouldn't experiment without the guidance of a competent orthomolecular medicien specialist. Another good source for vitamin therapies for oppositional behaviors including ADHD is Latitudes, a quarterly journal for alternative treatment of ADHD, OCD, autism, and Tourette's syndrome. Their website is www.latitudes.org

Hope this helps!
Kyra



Re: Vitamin therapy for Oppositional behavior (More to it than that!) (Start a behavioral archives with this.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 14, 2000 at 13:33:35:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamin therapy for Oppositional behavior (More to it than that!) (Start a behavioral archives with this.) posted by Dogchopper on February 13, 2000 at 16:46:03:

Hiu, Dogchopper.

This is an educational organization that just happens to have developed some health promoting substances/programs.

Their main business is reviewing the world literature on advanced concepts of health and healing. Each month they put out the top stuff from that month on a 90 minute tape; with the references compiled on "8 X "5 cards. These are the only tapes (to MY knowledge) that they have. Anyhow, you want the tapes from "Functional Medicine Update", July through September (1999) inclusive.

Walt



THANKS!!!

Posted by
Dogchopper on February 14, 2000 at 20:24:47:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamin therapy for Oppositional behavior (More to it than that!) (Start a behavioral archives with this.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 14, 2000 at 13:33:35:

Thanks, I will call the number in the morning and see how much it is and if I can get the tapes!!



Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior

Posted by
Dogchopper on February 16, 2000 at 13:40:41:

In Reply to: Re: Vitmain therapy for Oppositional behavior posted by Kyra on February 14, 2000 at 13:06:19:

Thanks for the info!!! I had been thinking of lowering the dosages since it really isnt doing much good anyways. As for the niacin goes. I buy the non flushing type. With instiol because the other upset her stomach. But I will look into the vitmian C. I got chrystals that you put in juice and it disloves quickly. It wasnt cheap by a long shot!!

I will look up that website and see what they have to say. I would LOVE to have access to a orthomolecular Dr. but I cannot find one anywhere near me.

Thanks again!!!!



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