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Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Well today I found out that the doctors told my grandma that she has this. :(

I did some research but it seemed rather slim.

She is 77. Her mother died of natural causes at 101. Her sister died last year, 103, from alzheimer's.

I guess I just didn't expect this to happen so soon. She had a stroke 2 years ago.

I guess what I want to know is:

How is this diagnosed? Could her memory problems simply be from the stroke?

Does the disease actually kill you or do you really die eventually from old age? I guess it seems like everyone I have heard of having this died at least 10 years after. I am just not real clear on this.

Is there anything we can do to help her or to slow the process down?

I am so upset because my grandma practically raised me and she means a great deal to me. I just always thought she would be in her 100s when she finally went :( Don't get me wrong...if she does have it I don't want her to suffer long.

Thanks so much.



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 22, 2005 at 07:32:11:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

3 most common things mistaken for alzheimers-
b-12 deficiency
LOW cholesterol (messes with brain and makes strokes more likely)
prescription medication interactions and/or side effects
this is a list from a conventional md/newspaper columnist, Peter Gott, MD
to it, I would add food intolerances and hearing problems. My MIL responded to medical people in nonsequitors and they took her to have dememntia, when, in fact, she couldn't hear well and made guesses as to what they were asking her. Since cataract surgery is so good these days, many old people have very good eyesight and should be questioned via pen and paper, not sound, to find out if they give intelligent answers. I kept notebooks and a cup of pens by her bed, and all the vistors who knew her used those to communicate, but staff at both the hospital and the nursing home continued to simply speak loudly, which was TOTALLY ineffective (they also served solid meat to her despite the fact she had no teeth- don't assume 'professionals' who work with old people have any kind of a clue-get super involved and re-interpret whatever they tell you through the kinds of things I'm telling you- there's probably more on the internet).



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Steve [3019.1399] on July 22, 2005 at 07:32:59:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Hope,

So sorry to here the sad news..From what I have read, alzheimer's is a result of toxins ( heavy metal, car exhuast ect. ) being stored in the brain and killing brain cells..We don't make new brain cells, like other body parts..Once brain cells die, that it..Since your brain directs all the body's functions, when enough brain cells die the body stops working..You can not breathe unless the brain tells your body too, so when the brain forgets how to breathe, the body stops breathing..How fast or slow this process is will depend on her..

Silver Fox!

P.S. Spend as much time with her as you can..It will help both of you..



Too soon to worry?

Posted by Connie [1898.2142] on July 22, 2005 at 10:26:15:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Hope, my daughter-in-law's mother has this and she was believed she started getting it when she was 57 when she would get lost and could not find her way back home. A lot of people don't have it but, if it runs in the family they will jump to conclusions and at the first will say they have it if they are slow in memory. Will we cannot go by that since everybody is getting like that from what I am seeing around me. Even if you notice you will see it to. However my daughter-in-law's mother has gotten worse and this has been 20 years ago, she is in her 70's now. She is bedfast and does not know her daughter. I would think your Grandma's memory could be from the stroke. Maybe wait awhile before you start to worrying. Some people will be slow of memory without that diease. Give her a chance, no doctors cannot tell if they have it or not unles they get like worse than she is.



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 22, 2005 at 10:38:17:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

One thing I would definitely do is get her on some sublingual METHYLCOBALAMIN. It's the type of B12 utilized by the brain and nerves. Many Alz. patients are deficient in it and a few are even mis-Dx'd because of it. So, it can never hurt to start her on it--toxicity is not a problem. If you can't find Methyl-b12 at a local health food store, you can get it online at a place like iherb.com (which is cheaper than my local store w/ free shipping on orders over $20). I order a lot from them, but there are other places too. I'd start her off on about 5000 mcg (that's 5 mg) for awhile and either leave it there or drop down to 2000 mcg per day. I take mine at night, but I don't think it really matters. It's supposed to offer a sleep benefit too (over time). You can find both 5000 mcg and 1000 mcg strength sublinguals, I think. I'd be great if you could get her doc to check her B12, but testing isn't all that reliable.....however, if you do want her B12 tested, do it BEFORE any supplementation. And, know that even if the doc says it's normal (ask for numbers), anything below 500 can cause neuro problems. Good luck with your grandmother.

Tab



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by ~CT [3862.2032] on July 22, 2005 at 11:33:57:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 22, 2005 at 10:38:17:

Tabby, would you post the link to the abstract of this again. I printed it out and gave the copy to my doc. Excellent article!



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 11:51:41:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Thank you all a bunch!

I sent her a bunch of things from my herbalist last year and she said she never felt better. However, she said she stopped taking it because she was already taking so many meds from the stroke...

The hard thing for me is that I live in Texas and she is back home in Mississippi. I wish that I could be there with her to regulate what she takes and to assist her, but my husband's job is here.

I will work as hard as I can to get her some things and have my mother give them to her.

Thanks again so much :)

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Vince F [1194.1745] on July 22, 2005 at 12:06:40:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

a lot of things are said to cause alsheimers, even taking iron. They say that doing games and puzzles seems to prevent it, even with the structural changes in the brain.



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 22, 2005 at 15:02:38:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by ~CT [3862.2032] on July 22, 2005 at 11:33:57:

Oh gosh, CT....I've slept since then! Can you refresh my memory with a few more specifics (maybe I need to up my B12!)? I've saved SO many B12 sites, that I'd hate to guess which link I might've posted in the past.

By the way, what did your doc think?

Tab

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on July 22, 2005 at 18:16:03:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Hi Hope,

The link below is for a good book by Dr. Amen. He recommends vitamin E and Ginko Biloba to slow the pregression of Alzheimer's .

Sapphire



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 04:53:34:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Sapphire [422.1366] on July 22, 2005 at 18:16:03:

Thanks so much Sapphire ;)



Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 04:55:28:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Vince F [1194.1745] on July 22, 2005 at 12:06:40:

Thanks Vince.

My grandmother was a special education teacher until the age of 75. I watched her teach many of times and did her lesson plans for her when she had a stroke shortly before retirement. I can tell you that she did lots of games and puzzles :) Maybe because of retirement it slowed her brain down some? Makes sense to me.

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 04:56:04:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 22, 2005 at 10:38:17:

Thanks Tabby.

I will definately check it out.

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Re: Too soon to worry?

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 04:59:10:

In Reply to: Too soon to worry? posted by Connie [1898.2142] on July 22, 2005 at 10:26:15:

Thanks Connie.

I agree. My mother told me they can't tell through any test so I am glad you cleared that up.

I will watch her and see. It seems when she was taking the herbs I got her, her memory was back and better than ever. She stopped taking them and it went back to right after the stroke.

I remember the herbs were a combination and it was called, "Stroke Repair". I also had her on some Psyllum Husks and she had perfect bowel movements compared to constant accidents before it.

Thanks again :)

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 05:05:14:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Steve [3019.1399] on July 22, 2005 at 07:32:59:

Thanks Steve.

One thing I do know about my grandma is she never had a silver filling. It isn't funny but she had no teeth when I was growing up. Imagine a professional woman with a PhD with no teeth ;) Anyway, They all fell out cause back when when she was growing up they didn't have much money. Anyway, she FINALLY got her some dentures. She got them as a gift for Christmas. I have to tell you that they did a horrible job on them. However, I am laughing right now because I can see her beautiful smile with those big ugly teeth justa beaming :)

I take her to the casino everytime I go home and last time I gave her $20 to play nickles. I walked away to play my $.25 slots (big spender lol) and go back to her to check how she was doing. Just a smiling she said, "I doubled my money". I will never forget how happy she was for getting $40. I will never forget that beautiful smile :)

I just thought I would mention it. Thanks, you got me thinking of good things :)

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 05:10:59:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 22, 2005 at 07:32:11:

Thanks so much Ann.

That is a wonderful idea. I know her hearing was never real good. She also has bad eyes. Her right eye is completely blind and the left is almost that way now. It is weird cause mine are the exact opposite of hers. It is my left eye that is blind and my right eye is only slightly messed up. I am sure it will get like hers one day.

I will say that the other night she went into the garage..well it is a den now. It is where my uncle lives so he can care for her. It was the middle of the night and she was just talking to him and going through all of his things.

Right after her stroke she almost caught the house on fire. She left a pot of water boiling. Needless to say I was thankful. On my last visit home I installed smoke alarms. Can you believe 7 children and not a one had installed them for her before....Ok that is a totally different story..sorry.

Anyway, I will try to see if that helps her. I appreciate it very much.

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Lurch [140.2181] on July 23, 2005 at 05:52:44:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 04:53:34:

Also, taking a multi mineral might help.
I've always thought that Alzheimer's is caused my toxic levels of aluminum in the brain and tissues. Zinc especially might help counteract the Al.

Lurch




Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 06:13:24:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Lurch [140.2181] on July 23, 2005 at 05:52:44:

Thanks Lurch :)



Re: alzheimer's Diagnosis? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 23, 2005 at 06:49:49:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Hope,

Currently, about 90% of alzheimer's diagnoses are not confirmed at autopsy. The incorrect 90% could have been helped with current knowledge if the true diagnosis had been made during life. See the brain chemistry archives.

Let us know what happens.

Walt

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Not good memories!

Posted by Connie [1898.2142] on July 23, 2005 at 15:06:50:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

Hi Hope, sounds like you had a great Grandmother it is hard for some to believe but I lived with my Grandmother when I was going to school and she showed me no love at all, even telling me there was nothing in the house to eat. When I knew she had plenty of money I saw it between the bed natchers and I went to bed hungry. I ate at school for lunch and I remember that was one thing I liked about school. I sometimes wonder what you would call that kind of sickness my husbands says it was selhish. I call it stingy, that is what I remember about my grandmother and it wasn't good memories sad to say.

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Is this the abstract you wanted?

Posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 23, 2005 at 17:24:03:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by ~CT [3862.2032] on July 22, 2005 at 11:33:57:

This is a very good article on the benefits of the co-enzyme forms of B12 (forms used directly by the body and not needing conversion) and about how well oral supplements work as compared to shots. Does not mention Alzheimers, though.



Ooops, try this again (link)

Posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 23, 2005 at 17:25:13:

In Reply to: Is this the abstract you wanted? posted by Tabby [20.1461] on July 23, 2005 at 17:24:03:

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/b122-6.html

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 23, 2005 at 18:20:15:

In Reply to: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 22, 2005 at 01:05:53:

what's the cause of her poor eyesight?- lots of advances in treating eyes, cataract surgery great, make sure she's had an up-to-date eye exam, for current available stuff.
Was looking up cholesterol a few days ago and found these books about statin drugs. One is called Lipitor-thief of memory by an astronaut, telling his own story of problems with the drug- check her medications and their side effects.
I came across the following books on Amazon.com:
Lipitor: Thief of Memory, Statin Drugs and the Misguided War on Cholesterol
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Dr. Duane Graveline, former astronaut, aerospace medical research scientist, flight surgeon, and family doctor, given Lipitor(r) to lower his cholesterol, loses his short-term memory for several hours. He discontinues the drug, but a year later at his annual NASA physical is urged to resume it at half the dose. Six weeks later he loses both short and retrograde memories for half a day and is diagnosed in the ER with transient global amnesia (TGA).
Appalled by the medical community's ignorance of the cognitive side effects of the statin drugs, he begins searching for answers to his traumatic experience. Lipitor(r), Thief of Memory, Statin Drugs and the Misguided War On Cholesterol is the "scary, appealingly written" account of his findings.


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Lipitor Thief of Memory, March 7, 2005
Reviewer: Emiliano Estrada Castro (Kissimmee, Florida, United States) - See all my reviews

This is a much enlightening book about the true causes of coronary heart disease, the number one killer in our modern society. I think this is a fact based book, written in an amenable style which uncovers many hidden truths about the misguided war on cholesterol by the traditional medical establishment. In my opinion, it is absolutely convincing: how is it possible that such an ubiquituous substance like cholesterol, that is produced by our liver because it is indispensable for so many biological processes, may be the primary cause of such a destructive disease like atherosclerosis? It's something not very logical, to say the less, that so many millions years of evolution would lead to such biochemical contradictions. I truly believe that our cardiologists would do an inmensely useful service to their patients by focusing their treatments on the true causes of atherosclerosis: the homocysteine elevation on blood serum and the ingestion of oxycholesterol, both factors easily controllable with the proper diet....and no statins at all!!. Emiliano Estrada


Smoke & Mirrors about Drug benefits - another Example, May 4, 2004
Reviewer: C. Gupta "Chris Gupta" (London, On Canada) - See all my reviews

A must read for anyone who is even remotely interested in how our sickness care, billed as health care, system works. Dr. Graveline, like many, obviously a very conscientious doctor, was suddenly faced with a number of dilemmas when he experienced transient global amnesia (memory loss) induced by Lipitor (one of the statin cholesterol lowering drugs). Interestingly the manufacturer even proclaims that there is no connection with its use to prevent heart disease or heart attacks yet the use use of this useless drug continuers through slick marketing
This short eminently readable work discusses, among other issues, what Transient Global Amnesia (TGA) is, how the statin drugs work, the myth of the Cholesterol/Modified Low Fat Diet etc. of special interest is the role of cholesterol particularly in the brain. It is shown how statins can transverse the blood brain barrier and interfere with the normal functioning of the brain. This is most important in those who have a dramatic reduction when using statins ..."abrupt, major decreases of serum cholesterol from statin drug therapy should be taken more as a warning than as an indication of success, for cognitive side effects seemed more likely to occur in these cases."...

Mention is made of a ..."recent PROSPER trial published in Lancet, that statin therapy increased the incidence of cancer deaths , completely offsetting the SLIGHT decrease in deaths from cardiovascular disease and further complicating interpretation of reported benefits from statin therapy." Not to mention other significant side effects of liver/kidney damage, muscle pain/injury, Coenzyme 10 (CQ10) depletion essential for heart health and continued deficiency of heart essential Vitamin Bs and other nutrients.

Their is a cogent discussion between correlation of good diet and disease. This alone is worth the price of the book. No one, but no one, has ever had a drug deficiency yet our medical system continues to discourage the use of nutrients in lieu of generally toxic drugs! They never even look at the underlying causes which these drugs sadly mask - much to the detriment of the patient.

Given the benefits of cholesterol lowering borders more on speculation then in fact (mostly from manipulated statics) it is surprising that there is a need to reduce cholesterol at all. Yet both Drs. Graveline and Cohen (in the forward) still seem to feel the need to do so indicates how ingrained the cholesterol lowering mantra has taken hold in the medical community.

Should your doctor suggest statins or for that matter any other cholesterol lowering drug just say "here take this (book) and call me in the morning...."


A must-read for those who like eye-openers, April 18, 2004
Reviewer: Dr. Herbert Nehrlich "L'Autour" (Bribie Island, Australia) - See all my reviews

Dr. Graveline's book is an absolute gem. The information contained in relatively few pages is astounding and will open the eyes of many readers.
In a personal account as a victim of serious side effects of Lipitor Dr. Graveline describes the frightening experience he had when first using the drug. No one believed that his symptoms (total cognitive amnesia) were anything other than some cerebral problems such as a stroke and the ordeal must have been devastating to say the least.
The good doctor, having been an upstanding physician and scientist of mainstream medicine all his professional life was cruelly and unexpectedly turned into a victim, then a rebel.
A skeptic at heart, this Astronaut and physician was left to his own devices to find answers to his dilemma, a dilemma that was threatening to finish his career, his marriage and his life.
Specialists he consulted made hasty decisions, put on their know-it-all facial expressions and expressed heartfelt sympathy to all concerned about the obvious sad situation that saw a brilliant mind being cut down in its prime.
Dr. Graveline describes many other cases of people who suffered similar side effects and he elaborates in sufficient detail on the misguided war on cholesterol. He shows that ample proof exists that cholesterol as the bogeyman behind heart and blood vessel disease is the product of a very faulty hypothesis. He points out the flaws in the original theory by Dr. Ancel Keys in the fifties and cites study after study that does not support the prevailing dogma but, in most cases, clearly shows the opposite.
He enters controversial -and possibly dangerous- territory when he explains some of the reasons why apparently sane and caring physicians keep prescribing these statin drugs when they must know that there is no proven need to lower cholesterol and that the side effects of the medication are serious.
He wonders whether it is all about money, a thought he appears to have difficulty accepting.
Dr. Graveline does not want to fly in a plane piloted by a statin taker. He knows that there is a possibility -no matter how remote- that the pilot will suddenly fall ill and have no memory whatsoever of having had flight training.
This book ought to be a must read for anyone on statins . Anyone taking any medication ought to do so only after being informed about possible side effects. Any doctor, as Dr. Graveline points out, being lax in this regard is practicing under false pretenses.

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YOU'RE ONLY AS YOUNG AS YOUR ARTERIES, February 14, 2004
Reviewer: eddie vos (Sutton Qc Canada) - See all my reviews
Here we have a must read for anyone with an over active doctor who likes dispensing "Cholesterol Pills". Dr. Graveline first describes some rare and not so rare side-effects of cholesterol lowering drugs on the mind [memory loss, poor fuzzy thinking]. Then there are some of the more debilitating physical effects of these drugs from the reduction of CoQ10, the vital energy producer and "catalytic converter" of every nerve and muscle cell. Then there is more cancer in older people ..
As statins lower cholesterol, they also lower in lock-step some truly vital body chemicals [CoQ10, squalene and other important products]. Being aware of such side effects may prevent damage that can result.

Graveline then suggests that this may all be worth it IF THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT in survival from taking statin drugs like Lipitor or Zocor, but there is no such clear benefit. In fact, all statins trials combined may NOT have extended the life of a single woman! [British Medical Journal, Oct. 18 2003:933] Three of the latest massive trials either showed no heart disease benefit [ALLHAT] or no improved survival in anybody [ASCOT, PROSPER, and again ALLHAT].

The author gives important warnings, but the book goes further in describing what really underlies the decline of artery health [and you're only as young as your arteries].

He debunks the CHOLESTEROL MYTH and presents SIMPLE PREVENTION STRATEGIES with B vitamins that lower the "natural blood toxin" homocysteine. He then proposes to leave the "low fat and cholesterol" high starch and refined junk flour products on the shelf and to eat less refined products, even if they are higher in fat and cholesterol in their natural state [high nutrient products].

Buy this book if you're on a statin [it's cheaper than a week's worth of Lipitor] and then give it to a doctor since they are the ones that either prescribe the drugs, or propose sensible alternatives.

Drugs are NOT the underlying cause of heart disease and there is little evidence they can fix arteries after they are damaged -and long-term harm to the mind, to muscle [weakness], to nerves and from cancer may well await those not paying attention to the side effects. This book may help you prevent such harm.--------------------

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Re: alzheimer's

Posted by Lurch [140.2181] on July 24, 2005 at 06:08:06:

In Reply to: Re: alzheimer's posted by Hope [1618.1575] on July 23, 2005 at 06:13:24:

You're welcome. If possible I would see if you can stop her exposure to aluminum too - from cooking pans, anti-perspirants, etc.
Aluminum piles up in a lot of people and is everywhere in our world, even in places we do not realize.

Ginkgo is supposed to be real good for Alzheimers memory problems.

L


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