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Posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

Hi everyone.

A study that came out just a day ago said that 80% of the factors in getting Alzheimers are genetic. My boyfriend's grandmother and her sister had Alzheimers. His dad right now is 64 and does not have it.

80% is big...but when it comes to something as bad as this, you want to do as much as you can to influence those other 20%. He is still really young, but what are some things that he should be doing -- specific things -- that have been shown to help prevent Alzheimers? I tried finding some stuff but didn't really find anything other than a general "be healthy" statement.

He mentioned that he remembers seeing something a long time ago about blackcurrant as something that can help prevent it. What other specific things are there that he could do, eat, etc. to help prevent it?

Thanks!



Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 16:48:10:

In Reply to: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

avoid aluminum-don't cook in aluminum pans or drink things that have been packaged in aluminum cans.
Don't keep cholesterol real low. 200 is healthy.
Make sure to get enough b-12.
That 80% genetic thing is questionable- people tend to have similar diets to their parents, so lifestyle can look like a genetic connection when it isn't. And, is that probability from having one parent with it or two? You only seem to be mentioning one side of his family. What's the history of his mom's family?
One interesting study found that people who write very simply tend to have more alzheimers, so, look at his writing-is it full of adjectives and complex imagery, or does it sound like a kid would write?
Keeping the mind active is supposed to help- learning new stuff, working crossword puzzles, etc. If he's a total couch potatoes, stares at the tube, you might want to work on his intellectual lifestyle.
It's very possible that some of the cases claimed to be alzheimers are actually mad cow disease, so the numbers for alzheimers may be slightly or even grossly overstated, who knows?



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Posted by
Zarin [709.350] on February 07, 2006 at 16:55:06:

In Reply to: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

Ginko bilbola has been tested and approved in this part of the world as a herb that enhances circulation and brain functions. A pharmaceutical company in France did a controlled study, and the herb is now available in an approved dosage. last year when I had a TIA and was hospitalised, I was prescribed the herb to improve my circulation!

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Posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on February 07, 2006 at 16:58:28:

In Reply to: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

Hi Daniel,

I heard on the ABC radio news yesterday morning that exercise is extremely important for prevention as well as delaying the onset and slowing the progression of the disease for those who already have it. I was not quite awake, but the announcer was reporting on the results of a new study that showed something like 40% less AD in the research group who exercised regularly, compared to those who didn't. I'm sure you could find some news releases about this on the Alzheimer's Disease organization websites, as well as other health info. on prevention.

You always hear that keeping the thinking parts of the mind active and challenged with games, puzzles, educational reading, stimulating conversation, challenging work, etc. is important, but sounds like people need to get up and exercise regularly, too.

Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg

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Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by lissa [2032.8] on February 07, 2006 at 16:58:43:

In Reply to: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

Hi Daniel,

Gingko is possibly useful in preventing Alzheimer's disease.

Allopaths would say the evidence isn't strong enough to make the claim but they say that about most alternative therapies.

Non-steroidal Anti-inflammatory drugs daily are reported to possibly reduce the chances too...being that gingko has anti-inflammatory properties, maybe there's a relationship there.


The only precaution against gingko is that it thins the blood...so it shouldn't be taken in combination with drugs that thin the blood.



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Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by lissa [2032.8] on February 07, 2006 at 17:00:45:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 16:48:10:

Hi Ann,

I've heard that teflon may be related to alzheimer's too. I meant to mention that.



Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 18:11:00:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 16:48:10:

Hi, Ann.

We avoid aluminum, so that's a plus.

Here's the info on the study: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184149,00.html

He is not aware of any Alzheimer's on his mom's side of the family.

He's a really complex writer, so that's a good thing! He's Swedish, and even though English is his second language, he is fluent with only a small accent. In fact, his vocabulary his larger than mine and his formal writing is much better and complex than mine.



Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 18:11:36:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's posted by lissa [2032.8] on February 07, 2006 at 17:00:45:

We've heard a lot about teflon being unhealthy in general, and considering we have a bird (teflon kills birds easily), we avoid it altogether. Glad to see another reason to avoid it!

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Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 20:07:27:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 18:11:00:

Among male identical twins, when one brother had Alzheimer's disease, the other developed the disease 45 percent of the time.

Among female identical twins, when one sister had Alzheimer's disease, the other developed the disease 60 percent of the time.

OK, here's where a knowledge of statistics comes in handy. The 80% genetic does NOT mean that 80% of the time you get it if a relative has it. Males get it 45% of the time when a genetically identical twin has it. Females get it 60% of the time when a genetically identical twin gets it. Your BF is not even genetically identical to his grandma- since he had four grandparents, there is only a genetic contribution of 25% from each grandparent. Expected values of getting it, ignoring environmental factors, which you can't really, would be 45% times 25% which is 11.25%-do you feel better now?




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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 20:13:27:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 20:07:27:

they also mentioned in the study that men are less likely to live long enough to get alzheimers, so work on y'all's immunity-heart disease, cancer and diabetes have a good shot of getting you (or him) before alzheimers can-eat whole foods and kick unhealthy habits now (smoking is the worst for heart and diabetes).

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Posted by Vince F [4572.9] on February 07, 2006 at 20:13:56:

In Reply to: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

they say that people who are mentally active, doing games and puzzles, don't get alsheimers, even though the have the structural signs in the brain that are thought to cause it. Maybe they bypass the damage, like stroke victims can regain some function, which new therapies keep improving.

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on February 08, 2006 at 08:03:41:

In Reply to: Alzheimer's posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 07, 2006 at 16:31:50:

Thanks, Daniel.

80% of the factors THAT WE KNOW OF! It is much harder to tease out the lifestyle causes, at this stage of our science, whereas genetic discoveries are advancing with leaps and bounds.

Even genetic causes are blunted by proper attention to lifestyle choices! SO, it is not a reason go give up hope just because every member of the previous generation came down with alzheimer's. It just means that, if your family is riddled with alzheimer's, you need to pay special attention to what you CAN do something about: your life style.

At the very least, you can prolong the life that you will have without alzheimer's. So far, effort put into changing your genes will be wasted so why not put your effort into something that WILL make a difference? See the brain chemistry archives and the wellness concept.

Comments?

Walt



Re: Alzheimer's Archive.

Posted by lissa [2032.8] on February 08, 2006 at 08:16:46:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on February 08, 2006 at 08:03:41:

Hi Walt,

immunization against beta-amaloid protein is currently being worked on as a preventative against alzheimer's disease, due to it's reducing plaques in animal brains.

The human tests were halted due to side-effects, however the scientists are still working on an altered form.

I'm just wondering, if they come up with a "safe" immunization would you recommend it? I know you are generally anti-immunization.



Re: Alzheimer's

Posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 08, 2006 at 18:34:00:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's posted by ANN [1003.516] on February 07, 2006 at 20:07:27:

Never thought of it like that...that does make me feel better. Thanks. :)

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Posted by Daniel [668.1351] on February 08, 2006 at 18:35:09:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on February 08, 2006 at 08:03:41:

Definitely will be working on changing those lifestyle factors so that they're all good... Thanks Walt.

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on February 09, 2006 at 06:49:25:

In Reply to: Re: Alzheimer's Archive. posted by lissa [2032.8] on February 08, 2006 at 08:16:46:

Hi, Lissa.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am not anti-immunization. I simply say allopaths have not proven the safety or effectiveness, only the profitability, of immunization--ESPECIALLY when there are cheaper, more effective and safer alternatives. I would first prefer wellness to immunization as it is currently used. Of course, that would take a change in attitude and life styles of parents and, in my experience most parents would sooner "let george do it" rather than invest in self-education and self-responsibility do it.

IF a truly efffective, & safer than the disease, anti-alzheimers vaccine could be produced, I would probably take it.

Walt

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