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Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:23:22:

I'm looking to supplements and vitamins to treat anxiety and depression and a hypochondriac nature (OCD). I would prefer to exhaust all holistic approaches before trying anti-depressants such as Zoloft or Prozac due to very specific side effects (sexual and weight gain). Do you have any recommendations? I understand St. John's Wort, Kava Kava, 5-HTP have all been recommended for calming anxiety and reducing stress levels. I also found a product called Mood Support at http://www.ripplecreek.com/item-rc160.html. Would this be an effective combination? I'm also taking several supplements right now and I'm curious about toxic reactions or one supplement negating the effects of another. I'm currently taking B-100 Complex, Beta-Carotene, Iron, Vitamin A, Vitamin E and Chromium Picolinate. I need to find out what vitamins work together and at what point they become toxic. Is there an easy to read reference for vitamin and supplement safety? The only other things I take currently are birth control pills and a Valium if the anxiety gets too bad. I also noticed you referenced two books with respect to whole foods and sugars - The Healing Power of Whole Foods and Nutrition & Physical Degeneration. Is there one you recommend over the other? If I'm looking into changing to a whole foods diet, which one would be a better start?

Thanks for your help!



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by Rich on March 01, 2001 at 18:37:26:

In Reply to: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:23:22:

SR is the best thing for reducing stress levels. In addition, you could try SAM-e. This treats depression and helps with liver function and arthritis too. The problem with kava kava, is that it tends to just exuast you instead of reducing stress. L-Tyrosine is another such product. It is an amino acid that is a precurser to neurotransmitters such as dopamine and serotonin. 5-HTP works in the same way. Any of these are worth a try. I don't trust St. john's Wort very much but many people use it. It can make you sensitive to the sun and interact with certain medications.

B vitamins are essential to handle stress. Take a B complex instead of individual B's. Even better, start increasing foods with high vitamin B levels. It is always better to get nutrients from whole foods than from isolated supplements.

So, immediately start practicing SR twice a day for 20 minutes each. Give it time and understand that this is the long-term solution to handling stress. You may also need to make lifestyle adjustments to be happier in the long run. For example, if you hate your work, start looking into something that really excites you. I always like to think that anxiety is more of a lifestyle problem than anything else. Lets face it, in today's rush-rush-rush society, many people are burning out. No wonder we all need SR!! Approach this problem from the standpoint that you need to make lifestyle and dietary changes that affect you in a positive way. Surround yourself with good people that like to have fun. If we all did that, Paxil and Zoloft would not bee needed.

Rich



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:54:53:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Rich on March 01, 2001 at 18:37:26:

I am definitely incorporating SR into my daily routine. I just ordered two books for SR methods. My problem is that anxiety and panic runs in my family and I really don't want to take conventional drugs, but the OCD if overtaking my life. Will SR alone be enough? I've turned into a full blown hypochondriac over the past 3 months and it's reached a point beyond my control and I'm constantly shaking and in tears. I workout about 4-5 times a week (vigorous), do breathing, and yoga when I can. Is there something that can help "quick" when things just get to tough? I know there are also essential oils useful when burned for relaxation. Do you know what type of store carries these? I can only find them online.

Thanks again!



Rescue Remedy

Posted by Elizabeth on March 01, 2001 at 20:19:54:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:54:53:

There is a solution sold at health food stores called "Rescue Remedy" that my therapist showed me. It is a liquid in a dropper bottle made from herbal/floral extracts designed by a Dr. Bach. You might try that. I myself haven't tried it yet, but my therapist keeps it with her.



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by beegs on March 01, 2001 at 22:09:55:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:54:53:


i have panic disorder,and had it foro 12 yrs. when i came off meds the thing that helped, was enzymatic therapies kava55. it did notmake me tired, but it worked. i took up to like 7 of them one night. my health doc,said it was ok. but really, one of them did the trick. it was just that i was so scared of coming off meds. i would try it. nothing else natural helped me. but what made me get past meds, was when i became so scared of meds, from bad reactions, that my fear of meds, was worse than my fear of anxiety. went thru six months of hell. and now i have bad gerd. probablymy anxiety manifested in a different way. but i would try what i mentioned. anxiety is very tricky. the sr will help, but you may need something along the way.



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by R. on March 02, 2001 at 02:20:03:

In Reply to: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:23:22:

From www.krispin.com/magnes.html:
Magnesium deficiency (from low dietary intake or excess loss) is clinically associated with anxiety disorders and depression among many other conditions. Read the whole article.

Do you get enough high quality protein and digest it well? From www.krispin.com/protein.htm: "Many cases of depression, PMS, symptoms of menopause, fatigue and other chronic complaints have disappeared completely with an increase of protein."

Vitamin D is helpful for depression. I heard an interview with Krispin Sullivan, a Clinical Nutritionist (her web site), and she mentioned a study in which vitamin D improved depression within a month or so. I found all of her articles interesting.

You might find this useful. And this. Here you will learn how to ensure proper utilization of tryptophan, an amino acid that is known to be very effective for depression, sleep problems, etc. One amino acid scientist told me that it is more effective for these problems than St. John's Wort. In that article you will also learn why taking 5-HTP may be dangerous. It also describes how EFA metabolism problems or EFA deficiency can be a cause of depression and how correcting this can very quickly and permanently cure depression. It covers many more possible causes of depression. I hope this will help.



Another article I found interesting

Posted by R. on March 02, 2001 at 02:34:45:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by R. on March 02, 2001 at 02:20:03:




Re: Rescue Remedy

Posted by kmd on March 02, 2001 at 10:56:01:

In Reply to: Rescue Remedy posted by Elizabeth on March 01, 2001 at 20:19:54:

I have a relative with anxiety/panic disorder and OCD and this person has found that when he eats a perfect whole foods diet, the symptoms get amazingly better within a few short months.



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by
Deb on March 02, 2001 at 17:15:04:

In Reply to: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:23:22:

Hi Dayna,

You've already had some great responses, but just a couple more things :

- Rich already told you St John's Wort reacts with some meds - one of them is the pill, specifically the mini pill. At the bottom of the post I'll copy an email a nurse friend sent me after doing a course, if you want more details.

- Nutrition & Physical Degeneration is about Weston Price's studies of indigenous cultures and what happened when they changed diets. Fascinating reading but not a how-to book. The Healing Power of Whole Foods is the definitive handbook on how to avoid sugars and refined carbs in your diet. This is where you'd want to start.

- Another worthwhile book is Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon. She's not as strict on sugars - allowing maple syrup, honey and unrefined sugar - but has more information about avoiding bad fats and including good ones, and heaps od other nutritional info. Maybe one for a bit further down the track.

- Here in new Zealand, essential oils are available all over the place - pharmacies, health shops, even department stores, so shop around. Good oils for anxiety are : basil, bergamot, cedarwood, geranium, jasmine, lavendar, lemongrass, lime, marjoram, neroli, orange, palmarosa, sandalwood. Oils are synergistic, which means a combination of 3 or more is more effective. You might be able to find a ready made combination. Lavender, sandalwood and orange makes a lovely bedtime sleep blend, for example.

Deb.



If you use the mini-pill (progesterone only pill) AND you take the wonder drug called St John's Wort (a herbal remedy known to effectively relieve the symptoms of stress, PMS and depression) or you know of someone who does, then please read this message very carefully and perhaps pass it on if appropriate.
This is NOT intended to create panic or distress, it serves to create an AWARENESS for women in the hope that it provides enough info about the contraceptive pill and it's contraindications.

I recently attended an update seminar for nurses on the latest information released about contraindications (things that work against something else) for the contraceptive pill, in particular, the mini pill. (progesterone only).
I would like to alert you to the fact that taking St John's Wort while using the mini pill decreases the effectiveness of the contraceptive, resulting in a higher risk of unplanned pregnancy.

St John's wort has become more recognised and marketed for it's successes with keeping people's general "well being" at an equilibrium. It has become a popular and utilised herbal remedy and many people swear by it's effects. However, St John's wort is an enzyme inducer. In non-medical terms, it means that it speeds up the enzyme production process in the liver (the metabolism chemical process) which in effect, metabolises the absorption of the mini pill too quickly, leaving it less effective.
The absorption rate of the mini pill only gives a 3 hour leeway before you need to take another pill (as opposed to the combined pill which gives a 12 hour leeway), hence this is particularly important information for those on the mini pill although if you are concerned about any contraceptive pill you are on, speak with your Dr or the person responsible for prescribing it to you, or contact the local Family Planning office.
It is also common for women on the mini pill to experience break through bleeding/spotting.This is one of the main side affects and occurs in 2/3 of women on this pill, however St Johns' wort is also responsible for break through bleeding, because of it's dominance on the absorption process, so if you have noticed break through bleeding while you are on the mini pill and you've been taking St John's wort, now you know WHY.

The brands of mini pill are Femulen, Microval and Microlut. All have the same dose, just different marketing company. If you are on one of these and also using St John's Wort, I advise you to either stop St John's Wort immediately, or cease using the mini pill and look at an alternative contraceptive.

I would like to emphasise that the progesterone only pill is an excellent form of contraception with very few side affects provided you are taking it correctly and are aware of some contraindications. You only need to consider these issues IF you are taking St Johns wort. Otherwise, please continue with your normal regime and disregard this message.



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety (Archive)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 2001 at 11:54:34:

In Reply to: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 01, 2001 at 18:23:22:

Hi, Dayna.

Consider the essential fatty acids in the article on the home page.

The second book you mentioned is a classic proof of the problem and the first one is how to find out how much difference it would make in YOUR life. The book "Brain Allergies" by Dr Philpott could also be a problem in your case.

Since the lining of the gut forms at exactly the same time, in utero, as the blood-brain barrier you need to begin to understand LGS and its causes and consequences eventually.

Let us know how you do.

Walt

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Re: Another article I found interesting (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 2001 at 12:04:57:

In Reply to: Another article I found interesting posted by R. on March 02, 2001 at 02:34:45:

Thanks, R.

The Orthomolecular Psychiatric Society reported much of this (and more) nearly 40 years ago. Unfortunately for them and the poor schizophrenic patient, the paradigm at that time was that all psychiatric problems were mental and could be treated exclusively by talking with the patient.

Now, of course, the paradigm has totally shifted to "all psychiatric problems are disturbances of brain chemistry". So much for the vaunted omniscience of the conventional medical paradigm!

One could contact them at (800) 847-3802 or ohm.org (Orthomolecular Health-Medicine).

Let us know what you learn (or anyone who looks into it).

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Rescue Remedy (Archive in homeopathy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 2001 at 12:07:23:

In Reply to: Rescue Remedy posted by Elizabeth on March 01, 2001 at 20:19:54:

Thanks, Elizabeth.

I always forget to suggest this. I think it is because I have not been trained in homeopathy.

Good idea.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Rescue Remedy (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 2001 at 12:12:04:

In Reply to: Re: Rescue Remedy posted by kmd on March 02, 2001 at 10:56:01:

Thanks, kmd.

There is no question that the PWFD would help nearly everyone who tried it. The problem is getting someone who is having brain chemistry problems to try it. Much simpler to just take a homeopathic remedy, herb or vitamin.

Nothing wrong with taking something that helps; so long as they also use the time while they are being helped (which surely will be temporary) to do something like the PWFD and/or SR.

Namaste`

Walt

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Invalid address

Posted by R. on March 03, 2001 at 20:38:58:

In Reply to: Re: Another article I found interesting (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 2001 at 12:04:57:

Walt, ohm.org is not a valid URL. Perhaps, www.orthomed.org is?



Re: Invalid address

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 05, 2001 at 12:16:09:

In Reply to: Invalid address posted by R. on March 03, 2001 at 20:38:58:

Thanks, R.

The ohm stands for Orthomolecular Health-Medicine and that is the URL they gave me several years ago. I have never checked it out. Their address is 2698 Pacific Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94115 and their phone is (415) 922-6462.

Let us know what you learn.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 13:21:03:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by beegs on March 01, 2001 at 22:09:55:

Have you noticed any side effects with the Kava 55? Does it seem to be as effective as the meds?

Thanks!

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Re: Rescue Remedy

Posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 13:50:32:

In Reply to: Rescue Remedy posted by Elizabeth on March 01, 2001 at 20:19:54:

Thanks, I found a site that gave some information about it. I don't see anything that talks about possible problems though. Do you know if there are any concerns for interactions with other vitamins or medications or if there are any side effects?

Thanks again!

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Re: Rescue Remedy - One other question

Posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 14:14:34:

In Reply to: Rescue Remedy posted by Elizabeth on March 01, 2001 at 20:19:54:

Most of the information I find is with reference to its use for dogs. Has it been shown to have the same affect with people?



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety

Posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 14:16:53:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Deb on March 02, 2001 at 17:15:04:

Thank you for all the information! Is there a guide for the use of essential oils and combining ones specific to your needs?



Re: Another article I found interesting (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 14:34:21:

In Reply to: Re: Another article I found interesting (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 2001 at 12:04:57:

I'm currently taking a B 100-Complex Vitamin and a Centrum multi-vitamin daily. Is it possible it's still not enough? I know certain vitamins and minerals become toxic at high enough levels. Is it safe for me to increase the B6? Also, would a general physician run tests for kryptopyrroles?

Thanks!



Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety - Dayne - essential oils

Posted by
Deb on March 05, 2001 at 14:56:54:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamins and Supplements for Anxiety posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 14:16:53:

Hi Dayna,

There are lots of good books around and I've got one of those I refer to regularly. You could probably have a bit of a peek at one in a book shop to see which oils sound most like you.

For a general guide to usage, I've got some notes on my website. Go to the Wellness In Sctions section and look under aromatherapy. I haven't had chance to put details about the oils yet.

Deb


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Re: Another article I found interesting (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 07, 2001 at 09:09:54:

In Reply to: Re: Another article I found interesting (Archive in brain chemistry.) posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 14:34:21:

Dayna,

It is pretty difficult to take too much of any water soluble vitamin and B vitamins are water soluble. Only in isolation can even B6 be toxic. Given with all the other Bs no one has ever reported toxicity.

Next, you need to understand nutritional doses vs pharmaceutical doses of nutrients. Reference FMU (800) 843-9660 or www.fxmed.com

Most docs are still ignorant about anything that has to do with metabolism of nutrients. Hopefully, your doc will be an exception.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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I've only seen it sold for people...so I would assume it's effective..nmi

Posted by Elizabeth on March 11, 2001 at 21:28:31:

In Reply to: Re: Rescue Remedy - One other question posted by Dayna on March 05, 2001 at 14:14:34:

nmi

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