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Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by
Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

My son Matthew is 7 years old. He has been on ritalin for almost 2 years, But I took him off of it 2 weeks ago because he has passed out twice. So far the doctors don't know why, He has had a heart ultrasound and it was fine no problems detected. I removed him from meds thinking they could be the problem. But the past week he has been going to the bathroom constantly. he has no fever, pain or any other sysmptoms. Could this be from removing the meds or is it possible he has an infection starting? Also since removing him from meds we have had to watch him constantly so he doesn't harm himself or others he was abusive to others before the meds but that stopped when we put him on meds



Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by MAI on May 21, 2001 at 05:39:49:

In Reply to: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

Thanks GOD you took hinm off Ritalin!
Do not ever dare to poison your own child!

First of all it is unlikely your son has ADHD.

The diagnosis of ADHD is an invented scam and fraud performed by shrinks to make them rich and push Ritalin.


Finally there is a lawsuit in connection with diagnosis of alleged ADHD, and ADD.

Your son may experience effects of neurotoxicity which are caused by environmental exposures (behavioral) and misdiagnosed as ADHD.

Ritalin damages liver and nervous system.

The diagnosis of ADHD is frequently made by unfit teachers, and unfortunatelly by parents unable to control their children for the piece of their own tranquility.

You could make more damage by using Ritalin, than by allowing your child to be abusive to other children.

Spend more time with child, and try to built trust and develop the targets of his interest.

Alter the diet which could be responsible for behavioral instability.


There is no greater damage one could impose on a child like putting him on Ritalin.

Children need time and compation, not medication.

Hopefully the courts will recognize that the diagnosis of ADHD is a scam and will pay retribution to injured by Ritalin children. Altough the damage could be greater than monetary awards.




Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by jt on May 21, 2001 at 07:01:22:

In Reply to: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

it seems nowadays that every other kid has "adhd". my sister in laws kid "had" it . we took him off sugar, wheat and milk, and he has been fine ever since. id be willing to bet that if we kept our poor kids away from sugar,refined foods, antibiotics, overdone/poisonus vaccines, and avoided large exposures to environmental pollutants you wouldnt see one case of "adhd", asthma, etc. we are killing our kids!they dont have a chance nowadays. why dont people wake up???

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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by QT on May 21, 2001 at 15:48:21:

In Reply to: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

I have NO idea why your son is having those problems but it sounds like it might be from going off his meds. I have heard that kids with ADHD benefit greatly from Vitamin C, B-Complex, Lecithin and calcium-magnesium. This info is from a book I have on nutritiuonal healing... that hyperactive children should not be given foods which contain artificial coloring, flavorings or additives. Also stay away from sugar, processed foods and foods that contain natural salicylates. Those include almonds, apples, apricots, cherries, currants, all berries, peaches , plums tomatoes, cucumbers and oranges. An herb that might help is Valerian root extract to be used acording to directions. Also do not eat the following: sugar, salt, soda pop, tea, soy sauce, cider vinegar, milk, catsup, chili sauce, colored cheeses, chocolate, lunch meat, whaet, corn, mustard, colored butter, oleo, ice cream (except natural), candy (except homemade) cough drops, thoat lozenges, antacids, perfumes and toothpaste. Use a natural toothpaste from the health food store. Studies indicate that the administration of GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) decreases hyperactivity. These are things that might help your son! I'm sure theres a wealth of info online for your consideration! Best Wishes!

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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by Raisa on May 21, 2001 at 16:31:11:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by MAI on May 21, 2001 at 05:39:49:

Hi, Tammy - My son's brother-in-law's son, who is also 7 (or maybe a little younger) acts like your son. I called my son to ask about it, and he said he isn't on Ritalin but he does take some medicine. I have left a message for my daughter-in-law to call me, and I will let you know what the medicine is so that you can look into it. I will also ask her whether or not it is working and how it is affecting him. My son said they haven't figured out exactly what causes him to be abusive and very hard to manage. He visited my son last summer with his younger brother, and he would totally ignore my son when he would ask him to stop doing something. He would hit my grandson, etc. and wouldn't stop. His brother is totally normal. The parents seemed oblivious, which made matters worse. His mother is manic-depressive and takes Lithium, I believe, and is under excellent control and is able to practice law. I know for a fact that that was not the boys diagnosis, though, although there could be a genetic connection somewhere, don't you think? Raisa



another prospective

Posted by
Rona on May 21, 2001 at 16:51:24:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by MAI on May 21, 2001 at 05:39:49:

Hi,
Just to give you another way of seeing this. I also refused to put my son on Ritalin and watched him deteriorate in so many ways. We read, followed diets, changed our discipline and many other "natural" cures too many to name. At 18, after failure after failure, jail terms, no education and exhausted parents, we offered him a doctor who diagnosed and perscribed Ritalin. He is now a succussful young man, father and husband,holding a job and asks us why we waited so long to help him. This is an illness, yes, overdiagnosed and the meds are overperscribed, but sometimes they are needed and very very helpful. Find a doctor you can trust and keep your mind open.
Just had to share this.
R.



Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by Raisa on May 21, 2001 at 17:35:39:

In Reply to: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

Tammy - I forgot to ask if you mean he is urinating often or does he have diarrhea? If it's diarrhea, it could be stress from having no medication. But then, you said he had fainted. Had they thought of doing a CAT scan, since he does have behavioral problems? Just a thought. (my daughter-in-law hasn't returned my call yet about her nephew). Raisa



Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by
Tammy on May 21, 2001 at 19:12:38:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Raisa on May 21, 2001 at 17:35:39:

hiya thank you for replying, Matt is urinating alot. so far the doctors haven't mentioned doing a cat scan or anything,

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Re: another prospective

Posted by ADHD on May 21, 2001 at 20:30:47:

In Reply to: another prospective posted by Rona on May 21, 2001 at 16:51:24:

Hi, Rona,
Thank you for sharing that. It took a lot of courage and open-mindedness for you to switch approaches when you saw that the natural one didn't work. Unfortunately, sometimes that happens and people have to use traditional drugs - I know of other cases like yours. Nobody should judge the method one uses in a case like this - every case is different and nobody knows your child like you do.
Congratulations on your success - you know you did the right thing!

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Re: another prospective

Posted by
Tammy on May 21, 2001 at 21:53:29:

In Reply to: another prospective posted by Rona on May 21, 2001 at 16:51:24:

Hi Rona
Thank you for answering my question. Like you I also refused meds for my son. and for 2 years kept refusing and he kept getting worse. It wasn't untill after put pushed his sister down the stairs and tried to cook the kitty and almost getting expelled from kindergarten did we decide to go the med way. we tried died, cutting out sugar 100% and being canstant in everything we did with him. The meds do help him, he isn't so angry anymore he is also getting straight A's in school now
I know that ritalin is over prescribed for alot of kids, but some people don't realize that there are kids out there that truly need help.
Tammy

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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2001 at 09:39:15:

In Reply to: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

Hi, Tammy.

While it is true that a few kids (until we learn more) need Ritalin or some similar medication [see the archives {brain chemistry} and read them all], the vast majority will improve more with dietary manipulation. There is a big chart in my book (from Dr Alex Shauss's classic), about this, that has been known for nearly 30 years now.

Thanks, guys for all of the responses! Every one contributed something valuable.

Namaste`

Walt


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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by Raisa on May 22, 2001 at 20:40:21:

In Reply to: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Tammy on May 20, 2001 at 23:58:07:

Hi, again - I just spoke to my daughter-in-law, and the drug her nephew is taking is Depecot. He is also taking Ritalin. She said that her brother said that this combination has helped him. Sorry I took so long. Raisa



Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by
Tammy on May 23, 2001 at 00:05:30:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Raisa on May 22, 2001 at 20:40:21:

Thank you for the info raisa. I will talk to Matthews doctor about it. I started matthew back on the ritalin yesterday and already have seen good changes

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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by sarahw on May 23, 2001 at 00:48:32:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by Raisa on May 21, 2001 at 16:31:11:

Wow. There is so much that I could write about this situation, but I don't want to be writing until tomorrow. I have two children with behavioral disorders. They were children that I had out of wedlock when I was a teenager. Their father was abusive, had been diagnosed as ADHD, got into trouble with the law, and had a problem with invading people's personal space. Since then I have married and had two more children, who do not have any behavioral disorders. I firmly believe that genetics can play a part in these disorders. All of my children, including the first two, have been raised by my husband and I, in a loving environment. We are very aware of what we do with our children, what we say, how we say it, and are CONSTANTLY re-evaluating our parenting skills. This is partially due to my close relationship with my sister, who is a child psychologist. Also, my mother is a nurse, who works in the children's section of the mental health department at the hospital. Between the two of them, they have seen first hand what kind of illness ADHD is, and what can happen to children who have it and go undiagnosed or untreated.
Here were my children's symptoms...
My oldest son got into EVERYTHING, he would never look me in the eyes when I spoke to him, he could not complete even the simplest task, he masturbated at an age that I thought was very inappropriate, he developed nervous ticks, he was very destuctive, and his hyperactivity literally caused him to hurt himself. He was always falling, jumping, or smashing into things, sometimes other people. After getting him 9 months of counseling, enrolling him in a support group, going to parenting classes, and holding him back in school, we finally put him on ritalin. That was two years ago. Since then, he is a changed child. He is on a very low dosage, and is now even able to partially control himself if he misses a dose. He has been student of the month twice this school year. He is at the very top of his class. He is helpful, respectful, and listens to what I say. More importantly, he says he feels better when he is on it, and reminds us to give him his meds.
My second son displayed all the same things as my oldest son, except to a more severe degree. He lit himself on fire at the age of 5, he always tried to steal things from the store when we went shopping, he hurt his baby sister very badly, and tried to kill our cat by suffocating it. He is obsessed with his bodily functions, and is constantly getting in trouble for spitting, farting, burping, or peeing where he isn't supposed to. Once again, we tried the counseling, to be told that we are doing everything right. We were told that if his behavior went on like it was, he should be admitted to the mental health ward for observation and treatment. After agreeing to ritalin, the same dosage as his brother, it took the edge off of everything he was doing. He's been on it for three months now. The medicine is treating his ADHD so that he will have enough of an attention span for us to work on his other problem, a severe conduct disorder with Tourette's syndrome. He has only had one major incident in three months, which was when he missed a dose and snuck out to our shed to climb on it and then fell off, six feet to the ground. He landed on his head and suffered a concussion. In our case, it is safe for him to be on meds.
Having said all of this, I think that as parents of ADHD kids, we have an obligation to always be aware of how we are parenting, what kind of new information is out there about it, what kind of affects the meds have on them, and most importantly, networking with other parents.



Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by
Tammy on May 23, 2001 at 08:40:53:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by sarahw on May 23, 2001 at 00:48:32:

Sara- wow i could of written your letter. I thank you very much for responding it makes me realize that there are other parents out there going through the same things as we do. Today too many people tell us how bad we are for having children on meds. I bet you hear alot "can't you control your child"?? too many people believe that meds are not required. I say let them live a day in our lives, the constant worry and stress of wondering what's next? What could my child do now is a constant worry.
Again Sara thank you for writting my e-mail is tgabb1@home.com if you'd like to write more I could really use the support

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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems (Archive in brain chemistry.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 24, 2001 at 12:42:44:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by sarahw on May 23, 2001 at 00:48:32:

NMI

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Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems

Posted by MAI on May 28, 2001 at 04:59:21:

In Reply to: Re: Son has ADHDbut took him off meds now having problems posted by sarahw on May 23, 2001 at 00:48:32:

The problem is that Ritalin destroys liver.

Controled diet can be more beneficial but very troublesome for all parents.


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