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Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

Walt,
I've noticed that in alot of the posts, there are really good medical questions posed to you, yet the typical answer is "check the archives" or it's "bracing". On alot of these questions I check the archives and they don't answer the question at all. What's the deal. Alot of time your reply is very vague and defensive. What's up?

*This was posted a ways down in answer to the 'Hepatitis C' question. This is an excellent point. Can you answer this Dr. Stoll in simple terms, not all that medical doubloe-talk? By the way, you use more double-talk on this site than Ive ever heard out of any Drs. mouth. And PLEASE, Dr. Stoll's cronies, dont come to this post praising him and backing him, let him answer this one question please?!



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by lynn greene on December 07, 2002 at 19:30:37:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

I too have noticed these same answers to peoples questions. Granted, there are a few where you have actually given a direct answer but I must admit, most of your answers are 1 or 2 lines. And as for the archives, they are mainly people posting questions and you hardly answering...why?



???

Posted by ??? on December 07, 2002 at 19:37:35:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by lynn greene on December 07, 2002 at 19:30:37:

Is this the same board I'm reading?
Are you confused?

There are good reasons for damn near everything.
After you read this board for awhile, you
SEE that DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING quite clearly.

Try to figure it out--you may learn something
new, I would hope?!

By the way, from the tone of your posts, you two
could be identical twins.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 19:46:13:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

It makes me mad too to see so many STUPID people unwilling to learn and find out the answers for themselves. No wonder they get sick in the first place and stay sick! What else do they expect?!



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Happygal on December 07, 2002 at 19:55:51:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

Hi Angela,

If you are asking for suggestions on how to cure your own condition and do not understand what Walt has told you, or if you haven't found the information you are looking for in the archives, please post a message saying that. I or someone else will be glad to help you. Put my name in the subject line so I can see it.

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by heh heh on December 07, 2002 at 19:57:19:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 19:46:13:

ok...so the "devil made me laugh at this mess" ...LOL!

I'd like to see them (her) try to answer a typical
weeks worth of posts here. :D

Gee, awww, now ummmm, why would we have an archives?
Maybe cause Walt and others have expounded at length
on redundant questions?

Gee, I figer'd this all out by my own little sef, too.
Gosh. Gimme a star for the day, before I get struck down
by lightening for nebbing into this one with a 'tude.
:D



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 20:17:59:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by Happygal on December 07, 2002 at 19:55:51:

are you a doctor happygal?



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 20:22:03:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 19:46:13:

One of these days hehheh ypur going to run out of this cutesy little names for your post. Afraid to post your real name? The archives are nothing but peoples problems and 97% of Dr Stolls 1 or 2 line answers as someone else mentioned, and his big medical words that not too many people know. The archives are a joke. Instead of sending people to them to dig and dig and dig for NOTHING, why doesnt he just answer straight forward? He always says, 'do your homework',we're not children in school. He is supposedly a doctor, and why he cant answer with straight forward answers is beyond me.



Exceptions?

Posted by Attitude Adjuster on December 07, 2002 at 20:24:28:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by heh heh on December 07, 2002 at 19:57:19:

And when the answer ISN'T in the archives? Then what?

and what is the point of coming here if Walt CAN'T answer the question? Has it ever occured to you you self-righteous snit
that the answer seeker has been all over the net and offline seeking an answer? Or if you're going to set yourself up as a
medical "oracle" that questions WILL be put to you? Hey! What if you missed all the furor and your late to the latest Q&A
AND it hasn't been archived yet?
Last, If you don't want to answer intelligent questions with intelligent answers, then you need to get out of the question
answering business altogether.
It is altogether obvious when you don't feel like answering and are just blowing off the questioner.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 20:36:49:

In Reply to: Exceptions? posted by Attitude Adjuster on December 07, 2002 at 20:24:28:

For all answer-seekers: look into yourself for answers! You are the one who caused all the problems, damn it!! Stop blaming Walt or anyone else for your own stupidity!!!



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Happygal on December 07, 2002 at 21:38:03:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 20:17:59:

Hi Angela,

No, I'm a Certified Massage Therapist.

It seems like you are new to the board and haven't understood enough yet to find your way around. The point of this bulletin board is learning to help yourself. I will try to help you find what you need on this website if you will tell us what health challenges you are facing.

Best wishes,
Happygal



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 21:58:57:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by Happygal on December 07, 2002 at 21:38:03:

Im not new, Ive been here a few yrs, rarely post, but getting tired of reading the archives and llearning nothing, just reading other peoples problems and half-baked answers.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 22:00:29:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by heh heh on December 07, 2002 at 19:57:19:

Gee, awww, now ummmm, why would we have an archives?
Maybe cause Walt and others have expounded at length
on redundant questions?

Then maybe he should answer questions fully which in turn would make the archives more knowledgeable.



Re: Exceptions? hehheh you changed your name lol nmi

Posted by beth on December 07, 2002 at 22:03:37:

In Reply to: Exceptions? posted by Attitude Adjuster on December 07, 2002 at 20:24:28:

nmi

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by LEESA on December 07, 2002 at 22:04:43:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 20:36:49:

No one is blaming Walt, people are just saying he should answer better than what he does. His answers suck.



A simple question

Posted by Roy on December 07, 2002 at 22:06:40:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

Name one other holistic health web-site on the internet that provides as much information and level of personal service as Dr. Stoll does (paid site or free). There are some out there with a wealth of information (mercola, others), but they don't have a bb like this one.

A holistic approach involves taking responsibility for your health. That means learning. And changing your life-style. Its a lot of work. If you're looking to be spoon-fed, you should go to a conventional site.

Since the same questions get asked over and over again, doesn't it make sense to create an archive so that Walt doesn't have to keep typing the same answers over and over again ? He already answers questions on this site 7 days a week. What more do you want ?



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by PeterB on December 07, 2002 at 22:11:44:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

buy his book, read it, then see if you think he deserves this. He was de-licensed as a doctor for acting on his considerable knoweldge and now he gets criticized by you for not dispensing diagoses clairvoyantly on a bulletin board. Too funny.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by PeterB on December 07, 2002 at 22:11:44:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

buy his book, read it, then see if you think he deserves this. He was de-licensed as a doctor for acting on his considerable knoweldge and now he gets criticized by you for not dispensing diagoses clairvoyantly on a bulletin board. Too funny.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 22:14:49:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by LEESA on December 07, 2002 at 22:04:43:

If you don't like his answers, well, GO find your OWN, BETTER answers, for goodness's sake!



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 22:29:51:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 21:58:57:

Knowledge is ONLY for those who are ready to receive it. Period.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Happygal on December 07, 2002 at 22:58:36:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 21:58:57:

Hi Angela,

I will repeat: what is your health issue?

Happygal

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by Attitude Adjuster on December 07, 2002 at 23:12:51:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 22:14:49:

Then what is the point in coming here? and what is the point of Walt's board? just to have a holier-than-thou attitude, and
feel superior that he has a medical degree and we don't?
No, that isn't Walt. But the observation made is legitimate: all is not lgs, gerd, bracing and lack of SR. It may well
be 99%, but it isn't 100% and 1% is a huge amount of people.
Walt is doing a DISservice giving stock answers to these questions.
Beth, don't act more stupid than you already pretend to be. I didn't change my name. I'm a new poster joining the chorus.



Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 07, 2002 at 23:25:51:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 22:29:51:

really? and how does one "receive" it? could it be possible that "other people" somehow "generate" that knowledge? could it be that receiving that knowledge is akin to asking for it?
could it simply be a matter of asking a question?
Well then, people come here asking questions.
And get directed to the archives where answers are NOT found.
How helpful to be informed by the likes of you that the question asking was in vain, that one did not seek sincerly,
that no satisfaction or fulfillment is to be had because some subtle, obscure requirement hasn't been met.
People come here, often after exhausting all the means at their disposal. How helpful to be told that they are not ready for the knowledge that will help them. I can't think of a more useless reason to have a site, free or paid!



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by ORTHO on December 08, 2002 at 01:56:10:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Attitude Adjuster on December 07, 2002 at 23:12:51:

I think that you have it the wrong way around. Maybe 1% is attributed to LGS,Bracing, etc.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by Crazy in the head on December 08, 2002 at 01:58:03:

In Reply to: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 07, 2002 at 23:25:51:

That was some serious rambling and tangential thinking. What the hell are you saying?



Re: ???

Posted by Rhyme and Reason on December 08, 2002 at 02:02:34:

In Reply to: ??? posted by ??? on December 07, 2002 at 19:37:35:

stay to the issue. The fact is Walt is very ambiguous when it comes to answering medical questions that cannot be answered by the archives. The archives are 99% theoretical and have no foundation through the research of modern medicine. Why does he never answer questions that are direct and deserve an explanation. It seems that to the lay people that come on this site, there is an awful lot of gibberish, but if someone with a medical background asks a question, there is just defensiveness and smoke screens.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by The Sane on December 08, 2002 at 02:04:42:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 22:14:49:

The issue is not one of the answer is not good enough. The issue is why are direct questions side stepped, and what is really behind some of the theories on this site?

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by jewel on December 08, 2002 at 02:05:27:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by LEESA on December 07, 2002 at 22:04:43:

Yes!!!! his answers are vague and indirect!



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by crazy in your head on December 08, 2002 at 02:08:31:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 20:36:49:

No one is blaming walt you idiot. read between the lines. Its just a matter of someone slinging bull in the face of those that lack medical background. Think about it. Most of the people on this post have had a bad experience with modern medicine and yet they show up here to follow the advice of someone that has been trained in modern medicine, yet has no license.............makes no sense.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Med. int. on December 08, 2002 at 02:12:53:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 22:00:29:

Its understandable to direct someone to the archives when it is a redundant question, but the issue is, why doesn't walt answer questions that need a medical explanation? for instance, I saw a post where someone asked how does bracing cause a loose body in the knee joint and it was never answered, and why? because bracing DOES NOT cause loose bodies in the knee joint!!! this is repeated over and over on this post and it is NUTS!!! and people buy into this crap!!!



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by dung fer brains on December 08, 2002 at 02:15:39:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by heh heh on December 07, 2002 at 19:57:19:

Mr. Brain,
the issue is that walt never answers questions that are presented by people with a medical background, he just answers questions to the people that have no idea about medicine and will swallow that BS.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by nail on the head on December 08, 2002 at 02:17:05:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 20:22:03:

I have no problem with medical terminology. Its the evasiveness that gets to me.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by TO: !!!!!! on December 08, 2002 at 02:18:02:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 19:46:13:

hey stupid, make a statement that has a point.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by mark on December 08, 2002 at 02:19:04:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by !!! on December 07, 2002 at 22:29:51:

Oh Please!! cut out the pontifficating! that is pathetic!

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by massage therapy on December 08, 2002 at 02:20:19:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 20:17:59:

Happygal is a massage therapist, which you can be too, if you want to go to school for one year............



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by hardcore on December 08, 2002 at 02:24:02:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by massage therapy on December 08, 2002 at 02:20:19:

I would kill for a massage right now!!!

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:24:22:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

WOW!! The Walt Stoll rescue team comes to his defense. All this writing youd think people would get knowledgeable answers instead nof wasting your time writing me.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 02:25:12:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:24:22:

I came in here and saw all these responses. You people really need a life.



Re: A simple question

Posted by ROY don't be a TOY on December 08, 2002 at 02:26:00:

In Reply to: A simple question posted by Roy on December 07, 2002 at 22:06:40:

roy,
the issue is not that walt directs people to the archives. Its just that he attributes everything to LGS,Bracing, etc.
And when someone with a medical background asks him to back up his theories, alot of time he doesn't and can't do it.
He says read this book or that book, and that is just retarded because ANYONE can write a book. Its means nothing just because you write a book. I think that alot of people on this site are just sick of the BS, and want honesty and not quackery. The relaxation response and SR can help improve alot of illnesses, and cure maybe a handful. No where near the amount that Walt represents.
DO you really think this site is free? give me a break, walt sells his book on this site.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Leesa on December 08, 2002 at 02:28:54:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by PeterB on December 07, 2002 at 22:11:44:

I read his book. Well written, his book isnt in question here, the board is. Is that why he gives vague answers so people will buy THE book? How do you know what he was de-licensed for? He could be lying. Any idea how many people on the internet actually tell the truth? I could tell you Im Heather Locklear!!! I wont believe him until I see actual proof. I can slap up a message board and tell people Im a famous doctor and give advice. Dont be so gullible.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:18:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by PeterB on December 07, 2002 at 22:11:44:

Peter B, can I give you some advice? Take time away from this board and get yourself hooked on phonics, your spelling is very bad.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Peter B. cannot see on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:55:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by PeterB on December 07, 2002 at 22:11:44:

Peter,
Quit the brown nosing. People are just being honest. Think about the statement you made. He was delicensed for his knowledge? How do you think he came about his M.D.? Is that not the reason why people ask him questions and assume that he has the knowledge to answer them? IRONIC! DO you have any idea how hard it is for someone to lose their medical license? they have to really screw up!!



Re: A simple question

Posted by Slim Shady on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:57:

In Reply to: Re: A simple question posted by ROY don't be a TOY on December 08, 2002 at 02:26:00:


so what if he sells his book on this site???! not everyone buys his book. and its NOT a requirement for participating and getting help from this bb.

A lot of people do get better on the three legs of wellness. problem is MOST people are too lazy or lack motivation to participate fully in getting well and thus do not follow wellness accordingly and then blame it on Walt!

And when someone comes back bitching and complaining that it hasnt worked for them, and then say that they have followed the wellness strictly, there is no way of proving that what they are telling us is not half baked truths.

There are many testimonials in the archives of others who have gotten well following wellness.

This site is free, so if you are not happy with it, let go and move on as Eminem would say. LOL



Re: A simple question

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:31:45:

In Reply to: A simple question posted by Roy on December 07, 2002 at 22:06:40:

Thats the thing, he gives bits and pieces of info, nothing constructive, telling people they have bracing, or gerd and sendthing them to the archives is giving holistic advice? I think not.

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Re: A simple question

Posted by Bridget on December 08, 2002 at 02:34:46:

In Reply to: Re: A simple question posted by ROY don't be a TOY on December 08, 2002 at 02:26:00:

Well said Roy. I applaud you. He needs to make a living and his book is good. But he vould be a bit more professional in his answers. A lot of times he'll not answer at all and tell people to read the posts of people with NO medical background whatsoever. Is he just too old to type these days.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:36:33:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by massage therapy on December 08, 2002 at 02:20:19:

How do we know HappyGal is a therapist? Did you see her credentials? Im a brain surgeon. HELLO???? She could be Dr. Stolls daughter for all we know.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by Bridgett on December 08, 2002 at 02:38:40:

In Reply to: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 07, 2002 at 23:25:51:

I have another question...Why is he forever putting down the medical profession? Chip on the shoulder?



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Terrie on December 08, 2002 at 02:40:34:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by Med. int. on December 08, 2002 at 02:12:53:

Ive also seens several questions on here about RSDS go unanswered.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by Because......... on December 08, 2002 at 02:40:36:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Bridgett on December 08, 2002 at 02:38:40:

Because the medical profession has stuffed up so many peoples lives.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by Witty on December 08, 2002 at 02:42:31:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by crazy in your head on December 08, 2002 at 02:08:31:

makes no sense at all. this is like charles manson and all his followers, do you all have marks on your foreheads?

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 02:45:47:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by jewel on December 08, 2002 at 02:05:27:

They sure are vague and indirect, and he loves throwing in those medical words no one knows the definition to when he cant answer. LOL

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:52:14:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by ORTHO on December 08, 2002 at 01:56:10:

I think that you have it the wrong way around. Maybe 1% is attributed to LGS,Bracing, etc.

No, not 1%, I'd say 25%. If he told all his patients in the past that they are bracing, and have gerd and lgs and need rolfing and SR (Dr Stolls medical vocabulary by the way)then I can definately see why he lost his license, and in turn losing his license makes him very bitter toward the men and women that still practice...legally. I don't blame him, I'd be pissed too, it must have been a very humiliating thing to have done, but there HAS to be a reason, and I'll bet a years pay there's more to it than what he states on this board. Medical licenses are not taken away like driver's licenses, there had to be a very powerful reason.



Re: ???

Posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 02:56:32:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by Rhyme and Reason on December 08, 2002 at 02:02:34:

Is that phtot of Dr Stoll from when he was in med school? Howcome he doesnt post an updated pic? If he's running a board giving medical advise, why can't he post the paperwork describing why his license was revoked for all to see, and based upon this they can make a decision to frequen this board or not. Just because he writes it in no way means its the truth. I believe too there's much more to it then what he said. I wonder where one would go to research this info, anyone know? He makes himself public on the net, why not make the reasons for being banded from practicing medicine on the net? Hmmmm?



Re: ???

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:14:58:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 02:56:32:

If you don't trust the man, why are you here?



Re: ???

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:17:01:

In Reply to: ??? posted by ??? on December 07, 2002 at 19:37:35:

If you don't trust the man, why are you still here?
You all remind me of dogs--one snarles, then they all dive in for the kill. Woof, woof. Bad doggies, no biscuit.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:27:36:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by LEESA on December 07, 2002 at 22:04:43:

If you think the answers suck, look at most of the questions--ill-thought out, badly spelled gibberish by people who have no idea how to even present the information needed to get help. It would take a dozen posts to even get the symptoms straightened out. People who can't sift through the Archives for information and use their brains to help themselves need to do the health coaching thing.
And, if you don't trust the man, why are you STILL here?

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:33:35:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by ORTHO on December 08, 2002 at 01:56:10:

By the way, Ortho, a large percent of the people with knee problems are here because people like you gave them a line of shit, then operated, but never solved the problem. Then you took the money and said, let's operate again, or you will have to see someone else, or it's all in your head. They are here because you, and others like you, screwed them over royally, and got paid royally while doing it.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:39:09:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 20:22:03:

He can't give you specific answers because he can't see, hear or feel you, nor run lab tests--and your posts are vague, confusing, unreadable, and incomplete. A doctor would just prescribe something, run a preliminary test or so, then charge you an arm and a leg. No skin off his ass if you are incomplete in your history.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:40:55:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 21:58:57:

Then why are you still here?

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:44:55:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:36:33:

Angela, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE IF THIS SITE SUCKS?



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:50:48:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:18:

Angela, Bad doggie--go home now.

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 10:52:40:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Attitude Adjuster on December 07, 2002 at 23:12:51:

It seems to me the whole point of the very existance of Walt on this planet is to show people "the way" on a grander scheme, as in how they should learn on their own to figure out what caused their problems and how to fix them. That's probably what his "health coaching" is all about. But of course, most of the times, people DON'T listen to him. I mean, what can be more obvious and improtant than the 4 leged stool to one's well-being?But how many people are doing it? It seems they try to find every excuse to NOT do it and then come back to blame somebody else for their problems.

The way I look at it, what Walt is doing right now is similar to having a rocket/space craft engineer doing oil change for automobils--for lack of a better example. But what's impressive is that Walt keeps doing the "oil change" with NO complaint what so ever. It's something VERY FEW people are able to do--I know I can't--at least not for 4+hours/7/365. So, appreciation and gratitude is what he deserves, people, not these almost PMS-like kind of stupid remarks that surely pops up every month or so (these remarksdo seem to come from the PMS gender. Damn!)



What a hoot!

Posted by Straw on December 08, 2002 at 11:01:06:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:24:22:

It just struck me funny that "everyone" is supposed to "read" this post, but "no one" is supposed to respond but Dr. Stoll ...

Maybe it's the mood I am, but a probable newcomer is trying to make rules & regulations for us "cronies" ...

You should figure out by now, that those of us with enough intelligence to disregard what our regular doctors advise and come seeking information to help ourselves may be too defiant, lol, to follow your rules & regulations.

I do agree with you that it is very difficult to find answers quickly in the archives, or understand them quickly.

And I hope you understand soon. That is the point. We have to s-l-o-w down, get away from our Type-A personality, re-prioritize what is important, make the effort to learn & help ourselves and take time to study & learn & trust your instincts, listen to your body & brain and THEN you'll figure how how to help yourself. No one else can do it for you. This board isn't McDonald's, where you go to the counter & get a burger in 2 minutes.

You have to take the time to figure it out yourself. You have to put in the time to study & read & listen & eventually, months later, you'll be closer to the answers than if you'd gotten an answer in 2 minutes...

Good luck!

Straw

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 11:18:01:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by Peter B. cannot see on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:55:

You clearly don't know his story or the nature of AMA retribution. You are clueless as to what it was that got the AMA upset. You have not read his book. You are whizzing in the wind. Have you stopped to consider that someone in his position must STILL be cautious with respect to the dispensing of medical advice? It is easier for me to get away with that in this forum than it is for him. So he points people in the right direction and gets them to THINK for themselves.

Ask youself this: What makes someone a doctor? Is it just board certification and a shingle? Using your brain is going to hurt at first, but I promise you it won't continue shrinking and the rewards will last a lifetime.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 11:18:49:

In Reply to: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 07, 2002 at 23:25:51:

As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health (and everything else in their life) would help, and that's what Walt has been saying over and over again. But of course, THAT kind of responsibility seems too much for many people (lol); therefore they are DEPENDENT on websites, doctors, hospitals, etc, just like some people are dependent on drugs--medical or recreational. With that kind of mentality, NO ONE can help them. God (whoever/what ever he/it is) only help those who help themselves!

Like everything else in life, some people just don't get it; therefore to each his/her own destiny.



Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 11:27:31:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by Leesa on December 08, 2002 at 02:28:54:

So check him out more thoroughly and reserve your criticism for when you know he isn't a parolee. Don't expect him to prove his claims, prove them for yourself. Have you ever gotten an answer in life by sitting there and looking stupid?



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 12:04:10:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:52:14:

it's so easy to think the worst when you don't have the motivation to get answers for yourself. Dr. Stoll makes no pretense about the complexity of health issues; he points people in the right direction and gets them to educate themselves. Some people really hate that. And once in a while, they get on the board and waste everyone's time whining about how much easier life would be if everyone just measured up to how they see things.



Re: ???

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 12:26:08:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 02:56:32:

If you would read his site more thoroughly you would have the answer to that. It's been there for years. http://askwaltstollmd.com/faq.php.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 12:27:43:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:24:22:

You have a point. Your first.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Leesa on December 08, 2002 at 12:46:58:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 11:27:31:

No...have you?

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 12:48:52:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:44:55:

Because Im waiting to see if one of his followers will admit that this man isnt God.



Re: ???

Posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 12:52:42:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:17:01:

??? you are very weird. Do you have a K9 fetish or something?

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Re: ???

Posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 12:53:43:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:14:58:

Is that all you can say?

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Re: A simple question

Posted by Roy you still are being a toy on December 08, 2002 at 13:32:08:

In Reply to: Re: A simple question posted by Slim Shady on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:57:

How do you know that these people did not improve with just tincture of time? Roy, don't be so narrow minded.

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Face value on December 08, 2002 at 13:34:30:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:36:33:

I expect that could be true. She advertises herself as such. My point is that she JUST a massage therapist. Which is what they do, BUT their training is quite limited. THey take anatomy and physiology, and that really is the extent of it.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by retarded on December 08, 2002 at 13:36:33:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Because......... on December 08, 2002 at 02:40:36:

Think about it for a second. You talk trash about the medical field, and yet you think walt is an authority, and WHY? because he is a DOCTOR. An unlicensed one at that. Really think about it.



Re: ???

Posted by peter B. and cris, !!!!! on December 08, 2002 at 13:42:53:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 02:56:32:

Its quite simple. People are standing up against quackery. It is not ethical or advisable to give medical advice that has no fundamental basis or good research. It is also ridiculous that walt gives advice on illnesses that he know nothing about. you keep missing the issue. He's like the catholic church, in that he gives an answer for everything,yet the evidence does not support it, and the evidence that does, is spurious.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by cris: ignorance on December 08, 2002 at 13:47:08:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:33:35:

cris,
you simply are not too bright. There is no guarantee in any surgery. Sometimes people just don't get better. it is then called a CHRONIC illness. There are risks involved in any medical procedure, and it is always made known to the patient. it called INFORMED CONSENT. cris, get some education and you will then understand.



He HAS posted why he lost his license...

Posted by reader on December 08, 2002 at 15:07:16:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by LEESA on December 08, 2002 at 02:56:32:

Your kind makes me sick. You're the perfect example of a typical lazy brained slacker who wants to be spoonfed, and when they're not, all you can do is bitch. You and the rest of the complainer should just go to another board and get the answers and drugs that you want to get all better, and leave the folks here who want to work and learn alone.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 15:12:22:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Crazy in the head on December 08, 2002 at 01:58:03:

If you don't unserstand plain talk, you are not only crazy in the head, but a moron as well.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by Beth on December 08, 2002 at 15:19:30:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by retarded on December 08, 2002 at 13:36:33:

This is the only post Ive read on this thread that makes any sense. I never thought of it that way, very good point. I like this board, and Dr. Stoll at times is vague about his answers, and maybe he has a lot of time on his hands now and enjoys trying to help people go the holistic route for helath care. Theres a lot of people who post expecting an immediate diagnosis. I dont think Dr. Stoll is here for that. Here's here to show you HIS approach to healthcare, but still I think the one thing thats wrong here is his continual put down of licensed medical personnel. I agree there are a few bad ones, but he talks as if the entire medical world are out to screw you this is so very wrong. I'm a medical transcriptionist and I work for a wonderful group of Drs. and nurses. I see them work, I see one of the drs. there, 20 yrs. now, and if he ever left town and moved his practice, I'd go right with him. NONE of these men and women are out for your money. They take the time and explain to you at your appointment what the problem is. So all I ask is no more licensed doctor bashing...please. Thank you



As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 15:21:50:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 11:18:49:

I see. So "taking responsibility" would really mean not coming to this site in the first place. Newly responsible me has
no need to ask questions. All knowledge and information will magically appear at my fingertips with no interaction with another human being. I need only acknowledge that I HAVE a problem, and instantly I can "Take Charge" of my health with no assistance needed from any agency even remotely related to the health field. Gee, why didn't I thihk of this sooner!!! I need only use the force and fulfill my destiny!!!
I shall join the rebels and defeat the empire!!!



Re: As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 15:34:27:

In Reply to: As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 15:21:50:

no, it means taking what information you find and turning it INTO knowledge. People may come here for answers, but they actually get more than that. You know the saying, "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life?" Holistic thinking is an APPROACH to health, not a prescription. Is this helping at all?



That explains it.

Posted by Screwed by the system on December 08, 2002 at 15:35:43:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Beth on December 08, 2002 at 15:19:30:

I always wondered why you talk like you have shit for brains Beth. It's because you've been throughly corrupted by working for allopathic doctors. You transcribe, but you have NO idea really what it is you are transcribing. Those N "wonderful group of doctors and nurses" N of yours -how many cure the patients that come to them? Or is it endless "treatment?" Look at those transcripts again. I'll bet every one of those patients from last year is STILL a patient.

That's WHY they get bashed. All those "explanations" are nothing but hot air. That's why the condition is "chronic."
No doctor helped then -as now.

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Re: As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health

Posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 15:58:03:

In Reply to: Re: As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 15:34:27:

Touche!!!

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 16:08:13:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Beth on December 08, 2002 at 15:19:30:

Beth, can you direct me to a post where Dr. Stoll "bashed" another doctor? If you mean any criticism of the medical profession under the auspice of the AMA, please allow me to tell you how I feel about it.

The AMA (very much like the FDA), engages in institutional resistance to true healing methods, nutrients, and concepts such as those expressed on this website. The great majority of those in the medical profession are content to maintain a crisis-care treatment concept; they do not acknowledge the syngergies of immune response in the natural healing force for one simple reason. They are not allowed to utilize those therapies that take advantage of it. So, general criticism of the AMA is not only FAIR, but APPROPRIATE and a matter of CONSCIENCE. We are experiencing an epidemic kill rate via prescription drug use in this country and the AMA, in my view, is already past the point of criminal intent or negligence. We will only experience change in the healing arts if we expose the failures of the current system.

Occasionally, we find a considerate and thoughtful medical professional in a convential setting, one who is less inclined to prescribe a symptom controlling drug, someone more interested in understanding root causes. When this happens, we are not disturbed but rather delighted. It means there is hope for change. In fact, it means that change is taking place! So don't judge Dr. Stoll for his criticism of the way thing are. He isn't here to make people feel good but to help them get well and see more of the Big Picture. In my book, that's a REAL doctor.

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That explains it. (typo corrected)

Posted by Screwed by the system on December 08, 2002 at 16:10:53:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Beth on December 08, 2002 at 15:19:30:

I always wondered why you talk like you have shit for brains Beth. It's because you've been throughly corrupted by working for allopathic doctors. You transcribe, but you have NO idea really what it is you are transcribing. Those N "wonderful group of doctors and nurses" N of yours -how many cure the patients that come to them? Or is it endless "treatment?" Look at those transcripts again. I'll bet every one of those patients from last year is STILL a patient.

That's WHY they get bashed. All those "explanations" are nothing but hot air. That's why the condition is "chronic."
No doctor helped then -as now.



ever heard of Politics, angela???nmi

Posted by reader on December 08, 2002 at 16:15:13:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 02:52:14:

nmi

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For Beth Only - No one else read!

Posted by astute on December 08, 2002 at 16:23:45:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 02:25:12:

So do you, if you have the "time" to come in here and count responses.

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Maybe less Hip Hop references and more intelligent responses would help

Posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 08, 2002 at 16:33:39:

In Reply to: Re: A simple question posted by Slim Shady on December 08, 2002 at 02:30:57:

it's dummies like you that give forums like this a bad name. Most people don't know about these references to hip hop and the like. why not stick to real english, instead of slang, and while your at it, think about what you are saying before you commit it to a post, so that you don't appear as stupid as you really are.



Yes & No

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 16:36:51:

In Reply to: Re: As a starting point, to take responsibility of one's own health posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 15:34:27:

I don't see why you can't do both. Or is that against the rules?



I'm a "follower"

Posted by labrat on December 08, 2002 at 16:40:20:

In Reply to: Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 12:48:52:

Dr. Stoll is not god. Nobody ever said he was, angela.

I would like to join Happygal in asking you, if in fact you need help, what is it you are looking for? And, no I'm not a doctor either. I am a student of this board for many years now, however, and since I have learned so much, I feel that I could help you find answers to your questions. Dr. Stoll does correct folks if they give misinformed answers. You should know that if you've been reading for as long as you say you have.

If in fact, as I suspect, you are simply here to cause trouble, then I cannot help you.

I repeat; Dr. Stoll is NOT god.

Now, you have what you were looking for, no?

If there's anything else you'd like help with, please let us know and we'll try to help you. If not, then please continue reading and try to learn a little.

Don't you find it the least bit odd that so many other folks HAVE learned so much here?

~~~8>

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Re: Yes & No

Posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 16:46:51:

In Reply to: Yes & No posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 16:36:51:

So you think Walt is God. Realisticly speaking, he is just a man. Therefore don't expect him to act like Jesus who, by the simple wave of his hand, every sick person is cured, like a miracle. Haven't seen that in my lifetime. Are YOU God???



For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist

Posted by Gregory on December 08, 2002 at 17:08:51:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

Damn it's hot in here.

I've been following this burning bush, and I have a bit of sympathy for you Walt. I see something like this in my line
of work frequently. As you know, I'm a network administrator although that only describes a small portion of my actual abilities and knowledge. Often I get asked by laypeople
technical questions for which a technical background would be required in order for the answer to be meaningful. I mean in all sincerity that they won't understand the answer, and of
course get told "try me." So I do, and I can tell the 3rd sentence in when their eyes start to glaze that the explanation
has been lost on them. This isn't like the old days when there was some hope of explaining all the systems, protocols and
politics that interact to create a computer system. Things are far more complex and requires constant study simply to hold
your own and remain current.
Friends sometimes call up asking me to "fix" a computer problem over the phone. They diligently describe the problem
in lay terms, without knowing what it is they are seeing on the screen. They have no idea what operating system they have.
They fail to consider that I am not familiar with it (under the general assumption that you're a "computer guy" and all
computers are the same), and you are immediately useless if you can't fix the problem, without being aware of all the
nuances that making a diagnosis without seeing the machine entails. It is why I hate getting these kind of calls.

To top it off, the people feel insulted when I tell them that it would be in their best interest to do some reading on basic
computer operations, at least so we can talk the same language. It is truly pitiful to hear stuff like "you know, the uh THING that does that thing so you can look at a file..."
They get mad at YOU because you can't understand what is essentially gibberish.

So I feel for you Walt.

For the rest of you: you seriously need to get a basic understanding of the human body and how it works. That way
you can talk to Walt in the language he understands, and more importantly he will be able to give you meaningful answers.
This is probably more work than many of you will want to undertake, but ultimately you are the one who will benefit
the most. Walt is not out to evade or doubletalk you, but
if you don't understand even basic concepts, then he has no "language" to describe what is wrong, and how it might be fixed.

{The lightwalker}



Peter B: Exceptions?

Posted by well said on December 08, 2002 at 17:09:02:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 12:04:10:

Well said Peter......;o)



!!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains.

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 17:16:00:

In Reply to: Re: Yes & No posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 16:46:51:

Evidently you didn't understand the point I was making. Why can't Walt give a simple explanation, a quick & dirty answer
AND point a finger in the right direction for a longer term solution to the problem?

And Yes, I am God. I'm sorry I shortchanged you in the brain department. Next lifetime, you'll be smart.



Re: !!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains.

Posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 17:24:37:

In Reply to: !!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains. posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 17:16:00:

Well then YOU should try Walt's job for a change and show us how much better you handle it, smart ass!

And the audacity to appoint yourself as God! WOW, that's a first LOL



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for...

Posted by Lou on December 08, 2002 at 17:31:35:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by Beth on December 08, 2002 at 15:19:30:

"NONE of these men and women are out for your money. They take the time and explain to you at your appointment what the problem is. So all I ask is no more licensed doctor bashing...please. Thank you"

Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!

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!!! - You'd be dangerous if you had real brains.

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 18:28:28:

In Reply to: Re: !!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains. posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 17:24:37:

I didn't appoint myself God -you did. I merely agreed with you. In all truthfulness I have a job of complexity akin to Walt's.
I handle it quite well, although there is no way to prove it to you, not that you would necessarily understand what it entails
anyway. What I suggest is that you shut up for a while, to think about what is being discussed instead of posting your ill-conceived, knee-jerk reactions. You will appear more
intelligent than you actually are, and THAT would be a good thing.

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Re: Maybe less Hip Hop references and more intelligent responses would help

Posted by Slim Shady on December 08, 2002 at 18:44:01:

In Reply to: Maybe less Hip Hop references and more intelligent responses would help posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 08, 2002 at 16:33:39:

Strange! I didnt think Eminem was hiphop. I thought he was rap. Silly me!

Btw, you really need to work on your anger problem. Your response speaks volumes about yourself.

(Let go. Move on.) Eminem, MY HERO! LOL

Debbie.



Re: !!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains.

Posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 18:44:04:

In Reply to: !!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains. posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 17:16:00:

ROFLMAO!!! Good point, Id like to see Dr Stoll answer this question without sending me to the archives, and then maybe Ill think twice about what I said. Dr Stoll, an answer to the above remark?



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 18:58:33:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by cris: ignorance on December 08, 2002 at 13:47:08:

So you explain your failures away as collateral damage? I guess that makes you feel better as you take home your fat paycheck. I guess the patients will just have to live with your screw ups. The statements you just made are exactly why people flock to this site for help.

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Re: Yes & No

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 19:06:05:

In Reply to: Yes & No posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 08, 2002 at 16:36:51:

They are not equivalent tasks, for one. Do you believe a medical diagnosis can be provided without blood work, urinalysis, cultures, or medical history records on a person typing a msg into a bulletin board? He has to draw the line somewhere.

In this forum, Dr. Stoll would be wreckless (and in danger of prosecution) if he started offering the kind of highly detailed responses you seem to want. I say that because no matter HOW right he is for SOMEONE out there, he might be dead WRONG for the person he is responding to. So he points us in a direction that allows us to accomplish a self-diagnosis and experience a higher degree of meaningful bio-feedback resulting from our own application of wellness and KNOWLEDGE. Do you get THAT in standard medical practice?

Now, if you still need someone to "take charge" on your behalf, you can talk to Dr. Stoll in a health coaching session and submit those medical history documents for his review and study and professional help. That's where you would get a more detailed and personalized response -- where it belongs.

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Re: New bulletin board >

Posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 19:18:05:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

I'm starting my own bulletin board to provide medical diagnosis to people through messages on a bulletin board. How long do you give me before I get locked up? Hey, don't they have Internet cafes in most fed pens these days for the prisoners? Nothing can stop me now!



your response speaks volumes about your intellect.

Posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 08, 2002 at 19:31:44:

In Reply to: Re: Maybe less Hip Hop references and more intelligent responses would help posted by Slim Shady on December 08, 2002 at 18:44:01:

Are you the Debbie who did Dallas?

Eminem doing rap is like Vanilla Ice doing rap. Or Milli Vanilli winning a grammy for "talent."

Are you sure you aren't related to Beth?



Re: For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist

Posted by ? on December 08, 2002 at 20:23:16:

In Reply to: For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist posted by Gregory on December 08, 2002 at 17:08:51:

What do "network administrator" do at work, (in plain English)?



because a lot of times there IS NO QUICK AND DIRTY ANSWER

Posted by reader on December 08, 2002 at 23:11:43:

In Reply to: Re: !!! You'd be dangerous if you had real brains. posted by angela on December 08, 2002 at 18:44:04:

are you really so stupid that you think all questions can be answered in a couple of sentences???

I don't believe it...

every so often a bunch of trolls like you come along and whine about not being spoon fed direct answers...then you disappear. that's fine with the rest of us.

someone else in your camp actually complained that Dr. SToll uses medical terminology to explain things!!! You people are unbeliveable!

I guess it stands to reason that if you expect a quick easy answer to a medical question, that you won't know how to look a word up so you can understand it.

just waiting until you all go away...



Network Administration (in plain english)

Posted by Gregory on December 08, 2002 at 23:28:15:

In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist posted by ? on December 08, 2002 at 20:23:16:

They keep all the resources (printers, servers, special files, internet access and the individual computers) running.
These resources are connected using a miniature version of the internet, and this too is maintained (meaning, making
sure it doesn't go down, is optimized for how much traffic it is carrying, and when things are not hectic, optimized to improve speed).

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Re: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too

Posted by Glenna on December 08, 2002 at 23:28:28:

In Reply to: Everyone read...for Dr. Stoll too posted by angela on December 07, 2002 at 19:22:16:

You people that continue to feed on these people are JUST as bad if not worse then they are. Everyone has their own opinion, deal with it.

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Re: That explains it. (typo corrected)

Posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:35:24:

In Reply to: That explains it. (typo corrected) posted by Screwed by the system on December 08, 2002 at 16:10:53:

99% of these doctors patients are VERY respected by their patients. Dr. Stoll has all of his followers thinking they are all out for a buck. So wrong. The good very much so outweighs the bad, believe me. You are Stoll brain-washed, very very sad.



Re: Peter B: Exceptions?

Posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:37:44:

In Reply to: Peter B: Exceptions? posted by well said on December 08, 2002 at 17:09:02:

yes peter, very well said. :) What an asshole.



Re: Peter B: Exceptions?

Posted by april on December 08, 2002 at 23:39:41:

In Reply to: Peter B: Exceptions? posted by well said on December 08, 2002 at 17:09:02:

You're just as bad as all the rest Peter and cris, or maybe you're one in the same. You're just too cheap to get medical coverage so you come here for FREE to get medical help. Don't you two idiots have a woman in your life, by the times you posted, seems like you both have nothing better to do. Very sad.



Re: because a lot of times there IS NO QUICK AND DIRTY ANSWER

Posted by angela's angel on December 08, 2002 at 23:41:24:

In Reply to: because a lot of times there IS NO QUICK AND DIRTY ANSWER posted by reader on December 08, 2002 at 23:11:43:

AND WHEN THERE IS A QUICK & DIRTY ANSWER?

THAT ANSWER IS USUALLY "LOOK IN THE ARCHIVES."

Which is no answer at all, especially when that is where you started your search in the first place.

You reader, are Head Troll. I remember your other responses to other people. I remember thinking you had shit for brains
because you didn't get the simplest of concepts, and now, here you are again indulging in the stupidity that made you famous.
What part of coming here for an answer is so difficult to understand? You ask a question, you get an answer and off
you go to put it into practice. If it's too complex to answer in a Question and Answer format (which is what this board is)
then I expect Walt would say so (as he so often has). Still all is not the famous quartet of GERD, LGS, MCS, and SR lack.
Personally it would be better if Walt fesses up to being human and admits to burnout.
Also, this is a very stressful time of year (the so called "silly season") and tensions are running high, as can so plainly be seen with the quality of posts.
Nevertheless, you are throwing barrels of gasoline on an already flaming branch, and expect people to take you seriously. I thought you had learned your lesson. I guess not.
You can't imagine how many people are waiting for YOU to crawl back under whatever rock you came from.



April showers May bring flowers...

Posted by Peter B Good on December 08, 2002 at 23:45:20:

In Reply to: Re: Peter B: Exceptions? posted by april on December 08, 2002 at 23:39:41:

Don't you have a man in yours?

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Not brain washed. F*cked over by "wonderful doctors and nurses"

Posted by Screwed by the system on December 08, 2002 at 23:48:54:

In Reply to: Re: That explains it. (typo corrected) posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:35:24:

But what would you know about that. You're easily brainwashed first by religion [christianity] and second by "wonderful doctors and nurses."

You'd be a really nice person if only you had a brain.

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Re: Awaken, Oh pure Enlightened Being!

Posted by Goddess on December 09, 2002 at 02:24:15:

In Reply to: your response speaks volumes about your intellect. posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 08, 2002 at 19:31:44:

I am related to the "Goddess Within".

I bring gifts as the "Goddess" awakens deep within. Creativity, playfulness, sensuality, expression, beauty, delight and passion for life.

"I celebrate, awaken and honour the Divine Creative Feminine Within"!



Re: Awaken, Oh pure Enlightened Being!

Posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 09, 2002 at 02:35:16:

In Reply to: Re: Awaken, Oh pure Enlightened Being! posted by Goddess on December 09, 2002 at 02:24:15:

that must be some nice weed. I'd have to go across the county line into Dade to get that kind of stuff.



Re: Heh

Posted by Slimmmmm Shady on December 09, 2002 at 03:03:34:

In Reply to: Re: Awaken, Oh pure Enlightened Being! posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 09, 2002 at 02:35:16:

LOL

No need to go to, wtf is Dade? I have some right here. i love the ole weed, ah, gets me so high.

Goddess



Re: We need a little controversy.

Posted by Debbie + Emmie on December 09, 2002 at 07:04:34:

In Reply to: your response speaks volumes about your intellect. posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 08, 2002 at 19:31:44:

Sorry, I dont do porn...........well not just for anyone. Only for my Emmie.

I screwed Emmie over for all the money he is worth, when I gave birth to his love child.

Love
Debbie

Two trailer park girls go round the outside, round the outside, round the outside. Guess whos back!? Bakc again, shadys back, tell a friend, guess whos guess whos back guess whos back,

I created a monster no one wants to see Marshall nomore. They wanna see Shady.I'm chopped liver now. Testing, testing attention please!

I am rocking the table whilst doc is operating.

They treid to shut me down on MTv but it feels so empty without me.

This looks like a job for me. so everybody just follow me, cos we need a little controversy.Cos it feels so empty without me. Anybody talkig this shit that shit, ms fitzpatrick you gonna get your ass kicked, like we did the bastard boys.
You dont know me, you're too old, nobody listens to techno,let go its over. Everybody wants to discuss me, this must mean I am disgusting. I am not the first king of controversy to use black music to get myself wealthy.20 million other white rappers emerge, butno matter how much fish in the sea, it would seem so empty without me.

I just settled all my lawsuits. F*CK YOU Debbie! We need a little controversy, cos it seems so empty without me.

Emminem


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Re: Exceptions to ortho? Archive in DINOSAUR.

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 08:07:38:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by cris on December 08, 2002 at 10:33:35:

Thanks, Chris.

Actually we owe "ortho" a big thank you. He (I say "he" because female physicians have consistantly been better at learning new concepts than men.) has given us a perfect example of the Tolstoy Syndrome.

In my opinion, since he likely makes the average orthopedic income of $500,000/year, he has much too much incentive to stay the straight and narrow than most of us.

It is likely that he has never read one page of Medical Anthropology since it requires deep thinking and does not promote his "bottom line". He has also avoided anything by Selye since it, too, produces nothing but a need to think differently and does nothing for his bottom line.

Medical anthropologists have consistantly demonstrated that it takes an average of 50 (fifty) years for any radical advance in medical thinking to be accepted by the PTB. Since Selye is now accepted by all as the world's foremost expert in how chronic stress changes human physiology--and his first published proof was 50 years ago--it really is time for this dinosaur to wake up.

This is a case of where "his credentials" are really a burden for him to overcome, rather than a thing to brag about. I will not hold my breath waiting for him to get past this, though. I really pity him. He is missing much of the joy of medicine by closing his eyes to real progress.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 08:13:41:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by !!! on December 08, 2002 at 10:52:40:

Thanks, !!!.

I agree completely. However, I have tried every other way I know to get the public awareness to action, personally and politically. SO, I have decided to start very simply with personal experience for lots of people--->"changing oil". The "rocket science" seems to be beyond most people.

Namaste`

Walt



Dade County, Florida nmi

Posted by Buzz Lightyear on December 09, 2002 at 08:23:18:

In Reply to: Re: Heh posted by Slimmmmm Shady on December 09, 2002 at 03:03:34:



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Angel dear....

Posted by reader on December 09, 2002 at 09:11:17:

In Reply to: Re: because a lot of times there IS NO QUICK AND DIRTY ANSWER posted by angela's angel on December 08, 2002 at 23:41:24:

you got me mixed up with reader...LOL!

...I won't take it personally.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by !!! on December 09, 2002 at 09:16:23:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 08:13:41:

I KNEW you'd agree with me, Walt!

Namaste.

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Re: For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist (Archive in archives.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 09:25:51:

In Reply to: For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist posted by Gregory on December 08, 2002 at 17:08:51:

Thanks, Gregory.

What a wonderful explanation. Any ideas how I can get around it other than what I have been doing?

Namaste`

Walt



Re: New bulletin board >

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 09:59:35:

In Reply to: Re: New bulletin board > posted by PeterB on December 08, 2002 at 19:18:05:

Congratulations, PeterB.

I wish you all the best!

Namaste`

Walt



you got me mixed up

Posted by angela's angel on December 09, 2002 at 10:13:30:

In Reply to: Angel dear.... posted by reader on December 09, 2002 at 09:11:17:

from this side of the screen you look the same.

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Well yes, I have an idea, but...

Posted by Gregory on December 09, 2002 at 10:32:12:

In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll: Rocket Scientist (Archive in archives.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 09:25:51:

but the idea entails work, and probably more work than you are doing here.

It amounts to a separate section on the site, where small pieces of information are laid out detailing the function
of individual organs. Maybe call it "The Classroom." For
people who really want to understand your explanations.
Maybe link each organ to general sections in the archive.
That way, with a reference to how a healthy, normal organ
works, it will be easier to explain a malfunction, and all
those who have taken the time to access the classroom will
at least understand what you are talking about. Even better
it may well eliminate the more sophmoric questions, because
basic knowledge will have been imparted.
Perhaps even a short animation showing how various conditions
like LGS develop from undischarged F/F reactions occur, so
that these firestorms about not having all the answers or GERD/LGS/MCS/Bracing/etc. will also be eliminated. The
interested seeker can see how the condition comes about for themselves.
Of course, it will REALLY make the site a "teaching" site...



Great Idea, Gregory, but...

Posted by labrat on December 09, 2002 at 10:48:53:

In Reply to: Well yes, I have an idea, but... posted by Gregory on December 09, 2002 at 10:32:12:

Interested Seekers are not the problem!

This will STILL be "too confusing" for those who want immediate answers - they don't WANT to learn about how everythings works! They want Walt to TELL them RIGHT NOW, and in a couple of simple words (stomping of feet heard here).

Hmph!!

~~~8>




Re: New bulletin board >

Posted by PeterB on December 09, 2002 at 11:02:26:

In Reply to: Re: New bulletin board > posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 09:59:35:

Walt, I wonder if Angela got the point? Will she write to me in prison? I guess we have to expect that people will attack a method that works, sorry I get so worked up. Take care.



Re: New bulletin board >

Posted by to peter b on December 09, 2002 at 11:13:46:

In Reply to: Re: New bulletin board > posted by PeterB on December 09, 2002 at 11:02:26:

Well, peter, I'm a fan ... good job!

enjoyed your posts, just didn't have time to join in the fun




Re: Exceptions?

Posted by Educator on December 09, 2002 at 12:55:06:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by cris: ignorance on December 08, 2002 at 13:47:08:

I'm so glad you brought up the issue of chronic illness, cause that's where the big, big bucks are. Hospitals and rich doctors are built upon chronic illness:
___________________________________________________________
Chronic illnesses affect more than 90 million Americans and are the major cause of reduced quality of life, disability, and death in the United States. Annual costs of caring for persons with chronic conditions are about $475 billion. This number, which represents more than 60% of the nation's health-care expenditures, is expected to double in the next 50 years. One in four Americans currently provides some form of supportive care or assistance to a family member or friend with a chronic health condition.

Not surprisingly, chronic conditions are especially common in older adults, many of whom suffer from multiple concurrent illnesses. Of individuals older than 65 years of age, 80% have at least one chronic disease and 50% have two or more. By the year 2030, the population of elderly persons is projected to double from the current 34 million to 68 million, resulting in a 100% increase in the number of older persons with chronic diseases and a dramatic rise in the demand for health care and social services.

_________________________________________________________

Thanks to Dr. Stoll, I will not be one of these people. I was already suffering from chronic illnesses and was well on my way to becoming disabled. I have improved 50% in just 6 months and am looking forward to 500% improvement through continued practice of the wellness protocols, use of tools and information gained from Dr. Stoll ALONE.

Later on down the line when you are working on your own health and karmic issues, you will be very ashamed of yourself for what you are trying to do here and wish you could take it all back because you are now marked. At this point in time, your actions are just plain evil.



Another Great Idea bites the dust

Posted by Gregory on December 09, 2002 at 13:56:28:

In Reply to: Great Idea, Gregory, but... posted by labrat on December 09, 2002 at 10:48:53:

Well yes, but if you don't know how it works, how can you expect to fix it? Even being told "in a couple of simple words" means understand what you've been told, right?



Gosh, I didn't mean to rain on your parade!

Posted by labrat on December 09, 2002 at 14:40:36:

In Reply to: Another Great Idea bites the dust posted by Gregory on December 09, 2002 at 13:56:28:

Gregory,

It IS a great idea! You know that I'm in total agreement with your idea and with what you are saying here...that "being told 'in a couple of simple words' means understand what you've been told..."

I just don't hold out much hope that the ones who are complaining will be happy with this. These folks want it on a platter, and no matter how easy you make it, they will still complain.

On the other hand, if you are talking about helping the "seekers" more, then of course, any enhancements you can add would be appreciated by that group.

No matter how many "thank you's" are posted here (and they FAR outweigh the complaints), the complainers will always come back - it's their nature. They are different than the grateful ones...I always find it amuzing that they continue to complain that the site's somehow not good enough or that they can't find ANYTHING useful in the archives, even though there ARE so many others who have obviously benefited so greatly from the very same site and the very same archives! This somehow never occurs to them.

Maybe I misunderstood the reason for your suggestion...it would be nice to see graphics of how organs work...I for one would love it!

~~~8>

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spoken like a true christian

Posted by nmi on December 09, 2002 at 14:54:27:

In Reply to: Re: Peter B: Exceptions? posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:37:44:



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spoken like a true christian

Posted by nmi on December 09, 2002 at 14:54:31:

In Reply to: Re: Peter B: Exceptions? posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:37:44:



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Re: Peter B: Exceptions?

Posted by PeterB on December 09, 2002 at 17:58:14:

In Reply to: Re: Peter B: Exceptions? posted by april on December 08, 2002 at 23:39:41:

check with Walt, I think he can bill you for the posts you have been reading on his website.

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Re: Exceptions to ortho? Archive in DINOSAUR.

Posted by WALT IS SIMPLY A MANIPULATOR- on December 09, 2002 at 23:23:21:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Archive in DINOSAUR. posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 08:07:38:

I think that it is ironic how walt goes against the medical establishment so much, and then says "I'm DR. Stoll" Whhy does he call himself DR.? He can't serve two masters. Walt is simply a joke. I have seen so many questions on this post and yet he answers nil. And why? because he can't. Its amazing how he can come up with answers on these medical conditions that CAN be vastly improved with simple relaxation techniques. YET, on the the conditions that have no relationship whatsoever to SR, he claims that they do.
Read the challenge from ORTHO, and how did walt respond? Oh, I feel sorry for him. PLEASE!!! why does he not just accept the challenge!!! Walt, I feel sorry for you!!!!



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by buttkissers on December 09, 2002 at 23:28:47:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 08:13:41:

Geez, you guys must all be dating. Its unreal how all of you are so up eachother backsides.

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Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is an idiot -what did you expect?

Posted by Archive in Sour Grapes. on December 10, 2002 at 00:09:35:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Archive in DINOSAUR. posted by WALT IS SIMPLY A MANIPULATOR- on December 09, 2002 at 23:23:21:

Where is Ortho's Website?

Doesn't have one? Thought not. Came here to bash Walt.

Any your website? No website huh? Came here to egg on Ortho,
who as already proved he has nothing better to do (like help
people for instance) than bash Walt.

Maybe I don't get it. Why is Walt under obligation to accept
challenges from every bozo who comes along when he has nothing
to prove? You apparently have something to prove. I'm not sure
what, but it can't be a rat's ass worthwhile.

I can't help but notice you are HERE (as opposed to working on
your own website, meaning you

A. Have nothing better to do,

B. Have nothing meaningful to offer

C. Are a blight on the board's collective ass &

D. you have unresolved health issues both physical and mental)

so knowing all that, maybe you should take a break from being
assholier-than-thou, and work on those issues that keep you in
such a wretched state that your free time is spent prefecting
being an AH.

Get your board going so we can all come over there and tell
you what a piss poor job you are doing. We'll point out all
your mistakes, every day, and discourage you in any way we
can. We'll write nasty things about you and your board on
every other forum we frequent, and laugh at your pathetic
attempts to defend yourself. A steady diet of that will help
toughen you up, and people will take your free advice at face
value, certain that all those naysayers can't be wrong.

Oh, and Walt calls himself Doctor because the medical knowhow
and knowledge didn't go anywhere when his licence was stolen
from him. He earned the degree fair and square.

How would you like it if your "qualifications" for whatever
you do (besides being an AH) were taken from you the first
time you were fired from a job?

Sobering thought isn't it?



Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is an idiot -what did you expect?

Posted by sour grapes: the flagboy on December 10, 2002 at 00:55:35:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is an idiot -what did you expect? posted by Archive in Sour Grapes. on December 10, 2002 at 00:09:35:

sour grapes,
you miss the whole picture. no one is bashing walt. geez, after you take off your knee pads, and go brush your teeth, maybe walt will give you a % of his book sales. Why would ortho need a website? He is licensed! anyone can write a book and anyone can have a website. Even you you ignorant hillbilly cracksmoker. Ortho as well as alot of others on this sight have made some valid points about walt's lack of ability to admit his ineptness. Why doesn't walt the jesus, sep to the plate like ortho say's? what's wrong with accepting a challenge? you are probably one of those guys that would rather swing pom poms with the cheerleaders instead of being out on the field taking and delivering hits. YEP! you my little brownoser are a FLAGBOY!



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by cris- from the dude on December 10, 2002 at 01:07:51:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Educator on December 09, 2002 at 12:55:06:

cris,
first of all, ease up. I don't think that you are doing your SR. So you have gotten better? what chronic illnesses do you have? or had? let's hear your story. I'll be waiting.



Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is still an idiot as are you.

Posted by Sour Grapes: The Truth on December 10, 2002 at 03:21:29:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is an idiot -what did you expect? posted by sour grapes: the flagboy on December 10, 2002 at 00:55:35:

Didn't miss the picture. You just don't get it and probably never will., SFB. Walt doesn't have to PROVE ANYTHING.
This is HIS WEBSITE, (not yours or ortho's) to respond or not respond as he sees fit. Get it? As in NOT UNDER OBLIGATION.
Who gives a shit if ortho is licensed or not? Only ortho it would appear. Can he write a book? Then let him write a book!
Can he run a website as an extension of his book?

Oh wait. No book. No website. Just his big mouth issuing challenges, and nothing that I've seen so far to give credence that he is an expert in the field.

Talks a good game, but talk is cheap.

And you, you must be sucking him off every night to have such a high opinion of him.

It is ever so easy to come to someone's else's site to harrass someone doing some good, then to run your own site and let it stand on its own merits.

So Ortho's site? Nothing. Just his big mouth.

Your site? No site, and like ortho, just your big mouth.

Oh and just as an aside, of course you will not convince me by insulting me, and likewise I don't expect to convince you for
the same reason -but here's a tip shit-for-brains: you will not convince ANYONE here that Walt is somehow lacking as a doctor! Let me break it down for you: You are in the Walt Hall of Fame. His stronghold. There are no converts here, and all your credibility has been lost. I don't know why you thought the laws of the universe would make an exception for you but I guess that is the consequence of having brown matter instead of gray matter for brains.
Catch a clue (if you can) and leave the board, take ortho with you. You'll both be happier.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge"

Posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 05:46:53:

In Reply to: Knowledge is ONLY for... posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 07, 2002 at 23:25:51:

If by simply asking, an answer will be given, then why are there quite a few heavy-duty questions UNANSWERED in some of the other threads here?



Re: Well yes, I have an idea, but...

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 10, 2002 at 08:26:15:

In Reply to: Well yes, I have an idea, but... posted by Gregory on December 09, 2002 at 10:32:12:

Thanks, Gregory.

I tend to agree with labrat, though, since this information is already available to the reader. So far as I know, every computer comes with the complete encyclopedia on a CD.

I have learned this with many years of formal and informal education along with 30+ years of medical practice. I cannot expect everyone to put that much effort into it. Therefore those unwilling to at least go to their encyclopedia will never take the time to actually DO, what they could do on faith, to see if it worked.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Exceptions? (Archive in philosophy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 10, 2002 at 08:52:50:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Educator on December 09, 2002 at 12:55:06:

Thanks, Educator!

It takes one to know one. The definition of the word "doctor" MEANS "teacher". Would that more "doctors" would take that seriously. Alas, that is not where the big bucks are.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Exceptions?

Posted by Educator on December 10, 2002 at 12:43:53:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by cris- from the dude on December 10, 2002 at 01:07:51:

I'm not cris and I'm not going to go into detail about my journey to health with someone who only wants to bring destruction to this place of healing and spiritual awareness. I will not allow you to tear away at my success.

Read my other reply to you under your post as onychomycosis. I hope you seek a better path soon. I know you can find light in yourself if you try.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge"

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 13:07:19:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge" posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 05:46:53:

That would depend on several factors not all of them apparent. Might start with symptoms, med history (so it ca be figured
out how things got to where they are), what was done prior to asing the question, and how the question was phrased which
would give some indication of the information level of the questioner. Another factor which comes into play but is largely
ignored is the paradigm of the board. Many questioners treat the board like an outpatient clinic. It isn't. It is more like
a self-serve library. The librarian (Walt) is there more to direct you to where to find the information then to directly
answer the question itself.
The archives also require a viewpoint shift. They are all about ailments, and other people chiming in with what worked
for them in curing that ailment.
Using the board effectively is all about taking your self care to a whole new level. You have to be a participant rather than
"a supplicant." This can be something of a shock as the usual
mode of dealing with doctors is to ask and receive [condensendingly]
poor quality or useless information. Since you are an active participant here YOU evaluate the quality of the information
that you find for yourself. As noted elsewhere, it helps a great deal to have some basic background in how your body
works to make best use of the information.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge"

Posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 18:45:17:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge" posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 13:07:19:

Well then, maybe it's time for you to consider trying to answer those urgent questions addressed to YOU in some of the other threads--questions extremely relevant to your speciality, so much so that Walt perhaps won't be able to answer. It seems odd that you have been ignoring those questions.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge"

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 19:36:25:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge" posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 18:45:17:

What questions to you consider "my speciality?"

Perhaps I should be the judge of or what is relevant, as well as what is urgent.

And...if I don't do the "answer on a sliver platter" will you accept directions to where you can find the info yourself? Just in case you don't LIKE the answer.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge"

Posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 19:49:44:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge" posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 19:36:25:

1. Things energy related (or anything NAB).

2. Computer geeks probably don't make good judges.

3. Silver platter sounds the best. And, there is no way I can tell if I "LIKE" the answer or not before seeing it. Try that first, and if I really don't like the answer, I'll accept directions.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it.

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 20:39:42:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for..."asking for knowledge" posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 19:49:44:

"2. Computer geeks probably don't make good judges. "

They're the only thing standing between you and a useless computer. That makes them Judge, Jury, & Executioner.

Seeing as how we deal mysterious machines and crazy users all day long, no one is better qualified to judge the appropriateness and relevancy of a particular question.
as far as users are concerned every question is urgent.

"It seems odd that you have been ignoring those questions. "
I remind you that I, and everyone else is under no obligation to answer a question just because
you demand an answer. Knowing the answer is not the same thing as being under a geas to answer it.

Last, energy and its uses, especially in healing is an individual thing. People sense energy differently, and often not at all. So to say double the energy by doing so and so, to someone who is "energy blind" sounds more like FM than
indirect energy manipulation.
The topic is at the far end of bleeding edge, the extreme fringe of fringe science. At this level one is more
experimenter than hardcore scientist. I have a scientific bent (well an artistic bent as well) so I have certain lines I am
experimenting along, but I imagine they only co-incidentally
are related to what Walt is "working" on.
The information I've posted in the past is for the most part poorly received, however I am content to find search and research for my own edification. If someone wants the info,
and emails me, I glady share what I've got. One or two
important posts have made it into the archives so I've done my bit for the cause.

Still, you seem to think there are more answers forthcoming, so let's hear what you consider "urgent."



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it.

Posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 21:05:39:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 20:39:42:

For one, the question asked by spring water on 21:18:04 12/5/2002 sounds like a good question. An answer as detailed as you can get would be highly appreciated.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it.

Posted by {you don't know} Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 22:29:28:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 21:05:39:

The question was vague. What IS it is not a very precise question prefaced as it is by a rambling monologue on non-
specific energy movement in the body. Is the question about Kriyas and Mudras, or is it about "held internal tension," or is it yet again, something else altogether?

Without a more precise definition, hence question, you can only expect the most vague of answers.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected)

Posted by Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 22:30:53:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. posted by ? on December 10, 2002 at 21:05:39:

The question was vague. What IS it is not a very precise question prefaced as it is by a rambling monologue on non-
specific energy movement in the body. Is the question about Kriyas and Mudras, or is it about "held internal tension," or is it yet again, something else altogether?

Without a more precise definition, hence question, you can only expect the most vague of answers.



Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected)

Posted by ? on December 11, 2002 at 10:01:40:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected) posted by Jack Schitt on December 10, 2002 at 22:30:53:

Nope; none of the three links pinpoints the issue. I understand and agree with the info from the links, but they don't quite overlap with my experience.

I'm almost certain that it comes from an external source--nature, god, divinity etc--but is also being controled by yet another entity. In other words, I KNOW what it's like to absorb energy DIRECTLY from nature and all, but that's very different from THIS experience, which is more like receiving energy from nature second-handedly. (I have no intention to sound vague/obscure/mysterious; quite the contrary, I try very hard to verbalize it so it'll make sense; but sometimes language is far from enough to describe experiences out of the ordinary--in the same way that some of the quantum physics ideas are almost impossible to convey with everyday language, since the proper type of language hasn't been invented yet.)

Do you have any other explanations?



Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is still an idiot as are you.

Posted by sour grapes: brainless on December 11, 2002 at 11:22:17:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is still an idiot as are you. posted by Sour Grapes: The Truth on December 10, 2002 at 03:21:29:

stupid grapes:
Ortho has given exellent medical advice. The fact is most people here have no life. Including you. Really, what makes you an authority in any respect? A website or authoring a book means diddly. Anyone can do that, even in ignorant fool like yourself. Just because you have a thing for walt, doesn't mean that you should be dishonest with yourself. Test ortho. He is far more knowleageable than walt is when it comes to orthopaedics. quit being a dumbass.



Re: Exceptions?

Posted by cris-scared like the rest on December 11, 2002 at 11:25:39:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions? posted by Educator on December 10, 2002 at 12:43:53:

why did I know you would fold. typical for a lonely person with no life

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Ortho: Needs Real Patients. You: Need A Life. Badly. Very Badly.

Posted by Grapes: Sweet + Green on December 11, 2002 at 17:15:00:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is still an idiot as are you. posted by sour grapes: brainless on December 11, 2002 at 11:22:17:

If ortho is such hot shir rah rah boy, why is he here?

And why are you promoting him so heavily? what's in in for you?

My authority isn't in question. His is.

As for "testing" him, well there is little point in testing him as I have lost what little respect I had for him. He is arrogant
and fairly stupid too. The criterion for respect is not to "issue challenges" to the resident doctor, and especially
not in front of his "patients" but to do the whole thing by email. That, however wasn't ortho's purpose was to embarrass Walt.

Can you respect a person like that? Well YOU can, which of course says loads about you. Yeah those kind of loads (how
appropriate).
If you can't respect them how can you take advice from them. It's tainted. Like the source.

As for books and websites, you need them to do what Walt is doing here. Fact is YOU came HERE instead of debating this on
YOUR or ortho's board (which of course are non-existent) because the both of you are less than diddly.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected)

Posted by Jack Schitt on December 11, 2002 at 17:24:23:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected) posted by ? on December 11, 2002 at 10:01:40:

No, since it is very hard to understand what it is you are describing. I'd pat my self on the back if I could reach it,
and tell you "I told you so" for ignoring the post in the first place as "unanswerable" just like when I read the post the
first time.



Re: That explains it. (typo corrected)

Posted by PeterB on December 11, 2002 at 17:33:25:

In Reply to: Re: That explains it. (typo corrected) posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:35:24:

the western medical system commands respect for all of the wrong reasons. Prestige and caste are not equivalent to health and healing.

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Re: ???

Posted by PeterB on December 11, 2002 at 18:08:19:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by peter B. and cris, !!!!! on December 08, 2002 at 13:42:53:

JAMA reported last year that the number THREE cause of death in the U.S. is prescription medication (taken according to directions) so maybe your charge of "quackery" would be more fulfilling if it looked at an actual body count.

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Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected)

Posted by ? on December 11, 2002 at 18:23:35:

In Reply to: Re: Knowledge is ONLY for those ready to apply it. (typo corrected) posted by Jack Schitt on December 11, 2002 at 17:24:23:

Yeah, that's what I thought. Well, I guess I'll have to find out on my own. Thanks for the effort, Jack Shitt, or, more likely, you don't know Jack Schitt. LOL

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Re: That explains it. (typo corrected)

Posted by Scarecrow (after Oz) on December 11, 2002 at 18:29:38:

In Reply to: Re: That explains it. (typo corrected) posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:35:24:

beth, I agree there are a few doctors who don't care about their bottom line - NOT!!! Please, I have worked for 10 different doctors in 10 different practices and none of them cared about the patients. They cared about what type of office visit to charge for and if they could bill for an extended visit if they took an extra minute to answer an extra question. There were very creative ways to add things in the chart so that an extended visit could be billed. When they were called to the hospital in an emergency, every single one of them were put off, not concerned. I and other LVN's had to constantly bug them to call their patients who had real concerns and issues. I got yelled at one time for pushing too hard for a doctor to call a woman back.

Sorry, I saw behind the scenes so none of your drivel is credible. I also worked in UOM Columbia Medical Center in an ICU. Even the interns were choosing their specialties based on how much money the could make. It was only the nurses who gave a flying f*** about the patients laying there dying.

The bad VERY much outweighs the good - believe ME!



Re: ???

Posted by Dead on December 11, 2002 at 18:33:33:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by peter B. and cris, !!!!! on December 08, 2002 at 13:42:53:

I wonder how many people who come here for advice are dead or harmed by what DR. Stoll has told them. Hmmmm

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a great resource >

Posted by PeterB on December 11, 2002 at 18:39:47:

In Reply to: Re: New bulletin board > posted by to peter b on December 09, 2002 at 11:13:46:

thanks for the opportunity to be here and LEARN. maybe one day somebody will figure out what those other folks come here for.

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Posted by Help by Dr. Stoll on December 11, 2002 at 20:01:56:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by Dead on December 11, 2002 at 18:33:33:



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Re: ???

Posted by go away!!! u boring idiot! nmi on December 11, 2002 at 20:49:11:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by Dead on December 11, 2002 at 18:33:33:


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Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is still an idiot as are you.

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 12, 2002 at 07:45:35:

In Reply to: Re: Exceptions to ortho? Well, ortho is still an idiot as are you. posted by sour grapes: brainless on December 11, 2002 at 11:22:17:

Thanks, Sour.

I think everyone should go to ortho first. It is when he fails that people come here. What IS your point?

Walt

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Re: That explains it. (typo corrected)

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 12, 2002 at 08:57:08:

In Reply to: Re: That explains it. (typo corrected) posted by Scarecrow (after Oz) on December 11, 2002 at 18:29:38:

Thanks, Scarecrow.

For those who are uncomfortable with these kinds of facts, nothing you can say will change their certainty.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: ???

Posted by WaLt Stoll on December 12, 2002 at 09:04:04:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by Dead on December 11, 2002 at 18:33:33:

Dead,

What a foolish statement. You expose your ignorance more than you know.

Walt

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Re: ???

Posted by Dead on December 12, 2002 at 12:40:07:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by WaLt Stoll on December 12, 2002 at 09:04:04:

OOps - I didn't communicate that well. What I meant was, there is absolutely nothing of harm that you are doing here, only helping. Whereas, a lot of what Ortho type of people are doing is very damaging and fatal. The whole chronic illness paradigm is very damaging. You only try to get people to see the root causes of illness and show them how to be healthy and avoid or overcome chronic illness.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I must have replied to the wrong message.

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To Beth...

Posted by Mary on December 12, 2002 at 23:06:33:

In Reply to: Re: That explains it. (typo corrected) posted by beth on December 08, 2002 at 23:35:24:

You've got your head in the sand, Lady.

You've bought into the allopathic propaganda like many others in this country. After all, it's everywhere, isn't it? The air waves and print media are loaded with the advertisements for drugs with new pharmacies opening up on nearly every corner in town to handle the explosive rise in drugs being prescribed. "Ask your doctor if (drug so and so) is right for you", so the actor in the TV or radio ad asks you to do.

Hopefully, you or a loved one won't find out the hard way about the dark side of allopathic "care".

I am speaking from experience. I do not trust allopathic physicians. I have seen too much.

BTW, I met a woman in her late 20's, early 30's with 3 young children. She and her husband are both LVN's. They came down from a Central CA town to visit a clinical ecologist in SoCal. She had lost her R. arm from above the elbow because of a screwup caused by an allopathic doc. I could hardly believe it when she told me she didn't sue. I would have sued the living daylights out of this guy. I am not one to take litigation lightly. This doc should have been made to answer for his negligence/malpractice. Just one of hundreds of cases, Beth. Probably many more.

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Re: ???

Posted by Roy on December 12, 2002 at 23:38:29:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by Dead on December 12, 2002 at 12:40:07:

Actually, when I read your message, I immediately thought it was done tongue-in-cheek. Of course wellness is harmless compared to allopathic medicine! I can see how people understood though, with all the negative posts lately.

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Re: ???

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 14, 2002 at 09:01:51:

In Reply to: Re: ??? posted by Dead on December 12, 2002 at 12:40:07:

Thanks, Dead.

Namaste`

Walt

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