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Dr. Stoll, I was doing my homework in Arthritis, when I noticed that I am starting to get a slight numb feeling in my wrist, hand and fingers........

Posted by Rich on January 26, 2001 at 19:40:44:

it is slight but enought to know that something is happening. I am a pianist and I am scared now. what does this sound like to you? in addition, when I try to open my hand as far as it will go, it fights me and wants to close in a bit. It isn't serious yet but I don't want it to. what am I up against and what do you think I ought to do about it.

thanks,

Rich



Re: Dr. Stoll, I was doing my homework in Arthritis, when I noticed that I am starting to get a slight numb feeling in my wrist, hand and fingers........

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 2001 at 11:20:15:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, I was doing my homework in Arthritis, when I noticed that I am starting to get a slight numb feeling in my wrist, hand and fingers........ posted by Rich on January 26, 2001 at 19:40:44:

Hi, Rich.

You are right to be concerned what with your profession.

First, is it your whole hand or specific portions of it? The hand is so enervated that there are at least 3 separate patterns of the symptoms you have mentioned.

Next, if the whole hand is affected equally, severe bracing is the cause and the things discussed about bracing need to be done ASAP so as to not let this progress to the point where it is hard to reverse.

Let us know about the above.

Walt



ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above

Posted by Rich on January 28, 2001 at 16:56:44:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, I was doing my homework in Arthritis, when I noticed that I am starting to get a slight numb feeling in my wrist, hand and fingers........ posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 2001 at 11:20:15:

It is slight. Not affecting the whole hand. It feels as though the hand falls asleep for a brief moment. It's quick. not painful. It feels as though the feeling is traveling through a small tunnel or portion of my wrist and goes to the middle of the hand and them dissapates very quick. It seems to happen when I am moving something with that hand or when I am holding something. The other times, it is never the same. It happens briefly and every now and then but has been increasing the last couple days. I am thinking that maybe it is orginating in my neck. I don't feel it coming down my arm but this could be a referal feeling from a pinched nerve in my neck. I missed my adjustment this week. Not sure though. Could use some advice.

Dr. Stoll, as far as the reply to my arthritis homework goes, I thought I would ask you here so that you don't have to reply to many different posts.

I agree with you 100% that now the immune system is involved. Involved in what way I do not know. It could be causing inflammation, attack on tissues or reacting to CIC's in my blood stream. The question is, what do i do about that aspect. I was thinking of getting some tests done: C-reactive Protein, SED rate, Autoimmune antibody and some others just to get a better picture of what 's going on. Do you think it is necessary? I pretty much know what I need to be doing. It is the immune system that has me thrown off. Obviously, eliminating allergens and infections will go a long way to improving my symptoms. What else should I do? Thanks Dr. Stoll. Also, Terry's suggestions were excelent. Thanks again Terry.

Rich



Re: ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above

Posted by Terri-Lynn on January 29, 2001 at 03:47:47:

In Reply to: ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above posted by Rich on January 28, 2001 at 16:56:44:

I'm an Intuitive ecological kinesiologist;
It is the accumulations of toxins that lock the body up in these ways, so start eliminating as many stress factors as you can; IF you own an air filter for home and office that would be great, it also feels like air pollution is a factor; Removing stress-eat a good diet with plenty of vegetables mainly for a good month, this in turn will help your acid alkaline balance turn around; PH factor and arthritis go hand in hand; On our plate have more vegetables then anything to help assist your body to move into a balance p.h.; [you can test with litmus papers every morning before eating] Our thinking well, the more we live balanced here the better. Fear can cripple one and that is an exageration, but it is true -fear assist the body to shut down-ha! Drink good clean water-distilled and lots of it; Off any caffeine and soda's ect; Sugar is one of the worst for throwing the P.H. off balance; Off wheat completely; Following Chlorophill and veggie juices; and plenty of Anti Oxidants and perhaps MSM; It just takes a little time, things did not get that way over night;



Thanks Terri-Lynn

Posted by Rich on January 29, 2001 at 11:40:12:

In Reply to: Re: ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above posted by Terri-Lynn on January 29, 2001 at 03:47:47:

Thanks very much for your suggestions. They are excellent. I, being a fanatatic with this, have already taken those steps and much more. You might think I am a little compulsive but I will do anything to stop this from progressing.

I have 4 air filters, 2 ozonators. I have only hypo-allergenic products, pillows and cleaners. I own my own distillers and Reverse Osmosis Drinking systems which I put in glass bottles. I eat at least 1/2 cup of vegetables with every single meal I eat. I practice food combining, I eat right for my metabolism, I consume a green food supplement called Perfect Food which I beieve is the best green food supplement on the planet (If you would like to look at it, it is at www.crohns.net). I eat only whole foods that are organic. I have been working with a naturopath to rid myself of candida and fix nutritional deficiencis according to lab tests. I mean, what else is there? I take a supplement that has optimal dosages of MSM, GS, CS, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Sea Cucumber, CMO, Boswellia, Yucca, Devil's claw. And still, I am living in such pain and stiffness. And to top it off, I can't even get a daignosis because there is no "evidence" of arthritis. No errosion, no loss of range of motion (after the stiffness subsides for the morning). I am in the middle of completing a series of rolfing. I get adjusted and go for massage treatments and I practice good posture. Why, still, am I unable to get well. I have been doing this for 4 years. Not each thing. i have sort of accumilated ideas over the years but I have been on this exact program for at least 2 years. Still, no improvement in these symtpoms. Insteas, I got improvement in areas that don't matter as much to me. I have more energy (yet I already had a lot), I don't get heart palpitations anymore, spaciness is gone, and my digestive disturbances have calmed down some. But, as far as the muscularskelatal system is concerned, it doesn't want to budge for me one bit. I am running out of options. Thanks for your suggestions though. oh yeah, I also avoid the top 10 allergenic foods and I avoid the foods I tested positive with the ELISA food allergy test. This test has really made a lot of improvement and in clinical studies has recently shown to be at least 93% effective at finding intoleratble foods. Still, little if no improvement. Trying to figure out what to do next. :)

Rich



You didn't mention Glucosamine, this may help? NMI

Posted by to Rich on January 29, 2001 at 12:04:05:

In Reply to: Thanks Terri-Lynn posted by Rich on January 29, 2001 at 11:40:12:

NMI



Re: You didn't mention Glucosamine, this may help? NMI

Posted by
Vince F on January 29, 2001 at 13:48:37:

In Reply to: You didn't mention Glucosamine, this may help? NMI posted by to Rich on January 29, 2001 at 12:04:05:

If I thought I had arthritis I would try cod liver oil.

VF



Sorry, I meant to. I take it!!!!

Posted by Rich on January 29, 2001 at 14:46:08:

In Reply to: You didn't mention Glucosamine, this may help? NMI posted by to Rich on January 29, 2001 at 12:04:05:

nmi



Re: ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above (Archive in arthritis.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 2001 at 09:14:21:

In Reply to: ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above posted by Rich on January 28, 2001 at 16:56:44:

Hi, Rich.

Look at an atlas of human anatomy. Notice the dermatomes AND the nerve distribution to the hand.

The closer to the spine the problem comes from the larger the piece of anatomy will be involved but, even then, there are definite patterns.

Regardless, this is a neurological problem. If chiropractic adjustmens do not help, you have to consider something like carpal tunnel In the end the approach is just what you have mentioned anyhow, all other approaches are only part of the resolution.

The same things you mentioned are what I would do first if I had what you have. THEN, 6 months down the road, if I still had any immunological part active I would do the next step to be determined at that time.

Since conventional medicine still has no treatment for the immunological problems with arthritis (except temporary symptoms supression while making the actual problem worse) if I were you I would not get those tests yet.

Walt



Thanks. Tests would be from...........

Posted by Rich on January 30, 2001 at 10:23:09:

In Reply to: Re: ok Dr. Stoll here is the specifics.........Plus Question on the arthritis post above (Archive in arthritis.) posted by Walt Stoll on January 30, 2001 at 09:14:21:

ok. I will start with what we already talked about. Anway, I am thinking the problem is coming from the spine. My pain and stiffness is all in the spine (from cervical to lumbar). so, the likelyhood of nerve flow interuption is high. Carpal tunnel seems to soon for someone my age anyway. i always use good posture at the keyboard.

about the testing, the testing would be performed at the Health Science Institute. They are a holistic Clinic with "new" treatments supposedly for autoimmune disease. They claim to be able to quelch the inflammation and stop the autoimmune reaction. THere is a protocol to follow but there are no drugs involved. I wish you could read it but there is no website.

If I don't "normalize" my spine, I am screwed! I am on my 3rd rolfing now. Since I have the lordosis, he told me I should be practicing to "slump" over for the time being. he says I will be counteracting the lordosis for now. After the first treatment, I definitely felt more "centered" in gravity. so far so good. ALso, when I turn my head from side to side, I get grinding. This tells me I am definitely not aligned properly. There is another treatment I am considering if this doesn't go well. it is called Neurocranial Restructuring. It is a technique to adjust the spenoid bone. It re-positions the head on the top of the neck. This, in turn, balances the whole spine. There are some amazing before and after pictures on line. I just did a search for it. Let me know what you think. Thanks for the help.

Rich



Re: Thanks. Tests would be from........... (Archive in arthritis.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 01, 2001 at 09:19:08:

In Reply to: Thanks. Tests would be from........... posted by Rich on January 30, 2001 at 10:23:09:

Hi, Rich.

Your "grinding" is from damage already done to the facets. It may never go away.

Once your SR gets rid of ALL your bracing, it will be interesting to see what symptoms you have left.

I have seen carpal tunnel in a 12 year old.

The Neurocranial Restructuring sounds like Cranial Osteopathy, which is very effective for people like you that only get partial results from Rolfing.

Your Health Science Institute sounds like a good place. I will be interested in their findings and recommendations as well as how you do with that aspect.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Thanks. Tests would be from........... (Archive in arthritis.)

Posted by Rich on February 01, 2001 at 20:20:37:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks. Tests would be from........... (Archive in arthritis.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 01, 2001 at 09:19:08:

Thanks Dr. Stoll for the clarrifications. I am already in progress with my treatments and SR. I will keep you posted. Thanks again

Rich



I was thinking of using the "holosync" tapes offered by the Atkins center for my SR. Is this ok? I believe there is a website www.holosync.com. thanks!

Posted by Rich on February 01, 2001 at 20:30:01:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks. Tests would be from........... (Archive in arthritis.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 01, 2001 at 09:19:08:

nmi



Re: Thanks Terri-Lynn

Posted by Terri-Lynn on February 02, 2001 at 04:58:01:

In Reply to: Thanks Terri-Lynn posted by Rich on January 29, 2001 at 11:40:12:

Here are some other foods that can aggrevate it; Are you off of all the night shade family and off shell fish? Here is the three suppliments that also can assist perhaps; Pycnogenol, trace mineral and a good bone support-with Ostivone; Feel this out, Great that you are doing rofeling and so many great things for yourself; Now with Wellness confidence, knowing that your moving in the right direction can help the process; I can tell you that a breath session with high breath work can also assist a person a lot sometimes, to clean out toxins and to work on the emotional body; [i know i do them and it is powerful]; We had a man in the gulf war years ago that came to us yesterday and had a breath session and he had been in pain for years and years and was full of toxins and he said that one breath session was more effect then any other treatment he had done; He now has had two sessions and is comming for another; You should see the amount of toxins that comes out of that guy when the energy gets high and he is breathing powerful-wow! iT was amazing; These are just some thoughts for you and please keep in touch with us and let us know how you are doing; If you were over in Maui now or near the hill country in Tx. or in Florida i'd tell you to come over and get one, you might like it;



Re: Sorry, I meant to. I take it!!!!

Posted by Terri-Lynn on February 02, 2001 at 05:07:33:

In Reply to: Sorry, I meant to. I take it!!!! posted by Rich on January 29, 2001 at 14:46:08:

Here is a comment from a spiritual health booklet on Arthritis; It says this is the inherited Opinion Disorder; Under the cause it says; Conflict; cusomary apprehension and worry; opposition; The Suggestion for recovery it gives is ; Turn to the -and know that the - Supreme Being's passion for peace is now in our lives;



Re: Thanks Terri-Lynn

Posted by Joanie on February 02, 2001 at 07:49:49:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Terri-Lynn posted by Terri-Lynn on February 02, 2001 at 04:58:01:

Hi Terri-Lynn,

Where in Florida?



Thanks for the quote :)

Posted by Rich on February 03, 2001 at 00:59:25:

In Reply to: Re: Sorry, I meant to. I take it!!!! posted by Terri-Lynn on February 02, 2001 at 05:07:33:

nmi



Re: Thanks Terri-Lynn

Posted by Terri-Lynn on February 05, 2001 at 03:31:17:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Terri-Lynn posted by Joanie on February 02, 2001 at 07:49:49:

I'm based out of Ft. Pierce normally and work all around Florida. I'm currently in Maui however and i think i'll be back in Florida by the 28th of Feb. One can always find me thru calling the Healing ranch in Tx. they always know my phone number where i am at; There number is 1800-800-0432;
Both Virgil and I do long distance intuitive readings also,besides the breath works and helping others move thru there resentments;



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