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The information on this BB posted by Dr. Stoll and all the others is truely amazing, and at times far too much to digest. I have a very simple question, and if it has been answered elsewhere in the BB and I missed it I truely apologize. Simply put, there is much posted here and elsewhere about rheumatory arthritis and how diet, SR, etc. can help and perhaps reverse this disease. From Mr. McFerran's posts and books he mentions it is my impression that this approach can cause the same improvement and possible reversal to occur in the case of osteoarthritis. However, there is a posting here from September of 1990 where Dr. Stoll, in reference to OA of the knee, cautions against walking stairs because of the degenerative nature of OA, the "wear and tear" concept. My impression from this series (which may be wrong) is that OA cannot be reversed. My simple question is, can osteoarthritis be stopped and reversed by the use of SR, the elimination diet and correct metabolic eating ?
In Reply to: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Tom on May 14, 2001 at 17:12:27:
Personally, I think the answer is no. I firmly believe OA can be reversed and at least haulted, but only if you know the true cause of your OA. To say that there is only one cause for OA is being a little narrowminded (*you didn't say this, but a lot of people believe it is simply a matter of wear and tear but it isn't*). Let me give you a few different examples of different causes for OA.
1) Someone is playing football and injures their finger. The joint is moved out of its fluid motion and is no wearing uneven. Over the years, the cartilage gets worn away on the stressful part of the joint and by the time the pain and stiffness sets in, it can be diagnosed as arthritis on x-ray. This is an example of Wear and Tear OA
2) Someone injures the ligaments in their neck. The ligaments are now unable to support the vertebrea well. The joint is allowed to move outside its original range of motion and the same thing as listed in #1 happens. This is the same results as #1 but by a slighlty different mechanism. Few people understand the relationship between stong ligaments and arthritis prevention. Without strong ligaments, arthritis is almost inevitable. Ligaments can be strengthened with prolotherapy (www.prolotherapy.com)
3) Someone has digestive problems and is not absorbing nutients properly. Since the nutrients needed for cartilage repair are not available, the cartilage cannot regenerate and over time, arthritis results. This is a completely different cause than #1 and #2
4) Someone is in a constant state of "fight or flight", their GI tract is not getting the blood and nutrients it needs to function properly and LGS develops. Over time, this mounts an immune reaction and can lead to rhuematoid arthritis.
There are many many more ways that you can get arthritis. The trick is, to figure out what imbalances, deficiencies and excesses you have, and seek ways to bring those back into balance. I personally think this is next to impossible without the help of a nutritionally-oriented physician that can monitor you with lab testing.
There are many things you can do to reverse arthritis. It is just unlikely that it will happen simply through the use of an elimination diet, SR and metabolic typing (unless your arthritis is the result of food allergies only. Very few are there times in chronic illness where there is just one cause)
Others, may disagree. Take care
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by helping you. on May 15, 2001 at 11:54:08:
Interesting question since I see the word "arthritis" used a lot here, but without always specifying the type. My sense from the postings was that OA, or RA, or whatever did not matter, correcting LGS would be helpful to all types. However maybe this last post suggests not. Interested to hear what either of you have to comment (especially since I have some OA!)
In Reply to: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Tom on May 14, 2001 at 17:12:27:
If you're interested in an effective way to stall/reverse this condition, you may want to read an earlier post. Click below to access it.
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by R. on May 15, 2001 at 21:54:45:
Does that work ?? THANK YOU ! I am really bummed by what was posted after mine saying that OA may not repond to diet and all the rest that has been posted on this site, because I assumed that it all worked on all the arthritis types. I do not want to face joint replacements just yet. Would love to hear Dr Stoll's comments !
In Reply to: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Tom on May 14, 2001 at 17:12:27:
Hi, Tom.
One way to answer your question is to remind you that only 30 years ago atherosclerosis was "known" to be irreversible. Today it is known to be totally reversible. Some practicing physicians STILL do not know that is reversible!
The truth is that no one knows that OA is not reversible. Only the personal experience of the individual can tell THAT individual.
It seems to me that all progressive damage of any system starts with normal tissue and progresses, over years, to where even our gross diagnostic tests can show damage. Even then, some of the tissue is still "sick" and some is damaged beyond today's knowledge to repair. At least the sick tissue can be repaired IF the causes are addressed.
Hope this makes sense to you.
More questions?
By the way, adding glucosamine sulphate (750 milligrams twice a day) and the essential fatty acids on the home page, will help anyone with OA while they are dealing with their causes.
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Tom on May 15, 2001 at 23:57:52:
Well, if you read the post I referred you to, you will see what the researcher reported. The results were extremely impressive. Notice how bad some test subjects were before starting the protocol and what they achieved. Also, pay attention to Vince's suggestion to use cod oil. I take he meant cod liver oil. Although, don't use when using CMO. Fish oil has anti-inflammatory qualities.
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by R. on May 16, 2001 at 16:42:23:
I read and printed it all out. Thank you! I also tried to get back to the site where it was found, and that site is huge! For whatever its worth, I also asked the same question to Robert McFerran, who used to post a great deal here but no longer. He is very much of the opinion that, perhaps with the exception of injury induced arthritis, the sort of creeping OA that hits a lot of people WILL respond to diet, etc. In my case I know that even without the elimination diet, etc., if I eat certain foods, like pizza for example, I will hurt a lot the next day. Fish and veggies and the pain is greatly reduced. From that I am betting that McFerran may be right, and I am going to give the elimination diet a try. After 6 days of that I will use the supplements as described here and on the info you referred me to. Again...thanks !
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by R. on May 15, 2001 at 21:54:45:
Dung vessel-whatchoo doin givin advice? You could manure the Dakotas on your own you huge sack of shite.
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Tom on May 16, 2001 at 19:49:34:
do acid foods cause you pains ?? I am thinking that the
tomato sauce on the pizza is causing the problem when eating
it.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Vince F on May 17, 2001 at 16:17:03:
My personal belief is that it is the wheat in the crust and milk from the cheese, both of which can cause problems with arthritis. Sometimes the topping as well, because pepperoni and sausage are a log way from being whole foods !
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Tom on May 17, 2001 at 18:16:19:
Tom,
why wouldn't peperoni and sausage be whole foods. You mean Guess I didn't think of wheat or cheese to be a problem VF
In Reply to: Re: Osteoarthritis Question posted by Vince F on May 17, 2001 at 16:17:03:
Now that you mentioned it, I've read that in some people Nightshade plants (tomatoes, eggplants, etc.) aggravate arthritis.
In Reply to: Nightshade plants posted by R. on May 18, 2001 at 15:33:16:
I have heard that also and wonder what the mechanism might VF
In Reply to: Re: Nightshade plants posted by Vince F on May 18, 2001 at 19:43:06:
Hi, Vince.
Nightshades have solamine (a potent poison that kills by spasticity of voluntary muscles [can't breathe]).
The average person in this culture eats enough solanine/year to kill a good sized horse. However, because we only eat a little at a time we do not die. However, these light traces DO cause our muscles to be tighter than without them and those most susceptible would have arthritis aggravated by this mechanism.
Making sense?
Walt
we would have to stick a whole pig in our mouths ??
since we eat a lot of them here and they don't cayse any
problems but I had gone acid and any acidy foods did cause
a problem but we are all different. Wheat is probably much
harder to avoid.
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Nightshade plants
Posted by R. on May 18, 2001 at 15:33:16:
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Posted by Vince F on May 18, 2001 at 19:43:06:
be ?? Knowing that could help avoid it in something else or
maybe figure a solution.
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Re: Nightshade plants (Archive in arthritis.) Mechanism.
Posted by Walt Stoll on May 20, 2001 at 08:56:08:
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