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I saw the earlier posting on osteoarthritis and it seemed that the question about OA and diet is still not clear. Dr. Stoll, in your health coaching have you ever tried the diet discussed under McFerran's postings to reverse or cure OA? If so, what happened ? Is there anyone else here that used that diet to help OA, or tried to ? There is a lot on this BB about "arthritis", does it all only deal with RA ? Thanks everyone.
In Reply to: More on Osteoarthritis posted by Marc on May 20, 2001 at 16:19:18:
The "Hallelujah Diet" has many testimonies about reversing OA. Check out www.hacres.com
In Reply to: More on Osteoarthritis posted by Marc on May 20, 2001 at 16:19:18:
Hi, Marc.
Diet alone will likely not resolve ANY kind of arthritis--permanently.
ALL arthritis has common basic mechanisms and it is the genetic propensity of the individual that determines which kind they will end up with NOT those causes. Bracing and LGS are both more important--in the long run--than diet.
Since we still cannot change the genetic propensity, the only thing we have left to influence is the already known causes--more likely to come.
You have not yet read enough of the archives OR the related archives discussed in those archives. I know it is a lot of work but actually DOING what you need to do is a lot more work. If you do not want to do the learning (a common problem) wait til you have suffered enough and perhaps you will be ready to actually do the things you will learn.
Please do not take this wrong. I am blunt because I am assuming that, by the time one gets to this point, you are no longer wanting to beat around the bush.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: More on Osteoarthritis (Archive in arthritis.) posted by Walt Stoll on May 22, 2001 at 08:27:04:
I wrote the first posting on OA, and I am curious if I have done MY homework correctly. Doc, be kind if I missed a few points. "Arthritis" in its many forms, like perhaps bursitis etc., is the end product of LGS coupled with chronic bracing. LGS allows for toxic and foreign matter to enter the bloodstream. The result is an allergic reaction to certain foods, which causes the inflamation and joint destruction. LGS can be the result of stressors to the intestine, such as inappropriate diet, caffein, alcohol, etc. LGS is address by identifying and eliminating stressor and allergic foods, which is where the elimination diet comes into play, as well as eating a correct metabolic diet. If LGS gets better arthritis gets better. Bracing is the chronic tension brought about by the reaction to pain, and the unresolved "fight or flight" reaction. SR done correctly 20 minutes twice daily can address this. I assume that SR allows for greater blood and lymph circulation and less stress on the joint itself.
My earlier posting was because why there are examples of this approach being helpful for RA (such as Joe Hacket's),I am a bit discouraged because I have not seen anyone with OA step up and claim the same result. If the AMA etc. are correct, RA is autoimmune and OA is simple wear and tear, and the above approach will not work for OA. But the generally accepted notion of OA being wear and tear seems far too simplistic. There is some REASON why the joints are not repairing themselves properly. After reading everything I can find on it I personally think that RA and OA are different manifestations of the same underlying problem, here described as LGS and bracing. I hope and pray that is the case, and I am betting against the medical community that Robert McFerran has it right. But I would sleep a lot better and be a bit slower reaching for the aspirin bottle at times if someone could say that their OA went away using this approach.
In Reply to: Do I Have It Right ??????????? posted by Tom on May 22, 2001 at 12:51:18:
I would look into synovial fluid and how it functions in
joints and approach treatment with it in mind.
VF
In Reply to: Do I Have It Right ??????????? posted by Tom on May 22, 2001 at 12:51:18:
Hi Tom - I saw your post and remembered that Dr. John Mansfield, an English physician who wrote "Allergies: The Arthritis Connection" (McFerran uses the bulk of his elimination diet) had mentioned treating osteoarthritis this way. Below are his comments from the book.
"I was so imbued with the idea that this was a purely degenerative condition that I treated people with rheumatoid arthritis or non-specific arthritis for three years or so before a patient with osteoarthritis persuaded me to look at his condition as possibly being connected with allergenic or environmental factors.
After witnessing great benefit in this patient I have treated many hundreds since with results similar to those obtained with other major arthritises.
I now consider that osteoarthritis is not a degenerative disorder in many people and have seen cases where the x-ray appearances of degeneration have markedly improved on follow-up after ecologic treatment....certainly we have seen cases where the x-ray appearances of joint narrowing, and so on, have improved after treatment to the point where the radiologist thought the x-rays had been mixed up with somebody else's."
Mansfield doesn't mention SR, but having combined this with diet modification, I would agree with Dr. Stoll that you need to do both (along with some light exercise) to resolve your OA. Hope this helps..Joseph
In Reply to: Re: Do I Have It Right ??????????? posted by Joseph Hackett on May 23, 2001 at 09:18:09:
Thank you so much for posting that response. I have used the informtion on your web site a great deal recently to learn about arthritis in general. It was your site that first introduced me to the notion that any of these diseases have an allergic component. Thank you again for the reply to my post, and for taking the time to put up that site !
So far I have not been able to locate a copy of Dr. Mansfield's book locally, now I will look even harder in the used book sellers.
In Reply to: Do I Have It Right ??????????? posted by Tom on May 22, 2001 at 12:51:18:
Pretty GOOD, Tom!
Obviously both OA & RA have differing amounts of causation (bracing vs immunity) although both have both: Something the allopathic mentality has a lot of trouble with: every condition should have only one causation (Lots simpler that way!)
I don't think ANYONE "has it right" yet. We all are just chipping away at the final solution. The problem is that the allopaths are falling further and further behind with their 19th century paradigm--mainly because that paradigm supports their income. The health care of the 21st century is just coming into being and THAT is what we are discussing here.
If I had RA, I would listen to Robert McFerran before I would listen to the allopaths! Robert would be the first to admit that he does not have all of the answers for everyone.
Hope this helps. You have obviously done your homework. Now, you need to know that you need to see that you have done the hardest part but that you have only begun. Please share with us what else you learn.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Do I Have It Right ??????????? posted by Joseph Hackett on May 23, 2001 at 09:18:09:
Thanks, Joseph.
Walt
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