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Doc, I have read your book and tried to do my homework here on the BB. You seem to have a good amount of information about RA here, and some great posts by people that have cured or at least stopped their RA, as well as a few other comments by people about other types of arthritis. But I was wondering, in your practice and your health coaching have you ever had a patient cured of their osteoarthritis?
In Reply to: Arthritis posted by Frank on March 10, 2002 at 14:13:54:
Hi, Frank.
When I was forced into retirement, we did not know about the healing effect of glucosamine sulphate. And we were only able to arrest osteoarthritis at the stage of damage the patient came to us with.
I would be interested in seeing what is reported when wellness, under water exercise and glucosamine are combined for years. We won't know for another 10-20 years.
However, just arresting osteo where it is at will keep it from progressing. Mearly every patient would be happy with that if it had not progressed too far before they were seen by a real physician.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 11, 2002 at 09:48:31:
Thank you. Well I am shooting for the "wellness" cure, let you know how it goes.
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Frank on March 11, 2002 at 11:00:29:
I would take the glucosamine as per Walt's recommendations if I were you. The good stuff really is quite amazing and can speed your healing WHILE you are un-doing the causes.
Arthritis can be a bit of an ambigious rap BECAUSE there are many contributing factors, and it forces one to figure out how much of which cause is effecting the disease. Is it more auto-immune? Is it more "wear and tear?" Obviously genetic predisposition is a factor, but since that is out of our hands we must approach it from a different perspective.
Traditionally, osteo-arthritis was believed to be entirely a disease of "wear and tear"; I think that belief is slowly becoming defunct. If it were the case, I think there would be a direct correlation between excercise put on a joint and incidence of osteo-arthritis.
Suffice it to say that LGS is probably a factor in ANY chronic joint problem; that is to say, auto-immunity is always present to some degree. The easiest thing you could do at this point would be to run Robert McFerran's E-diet and see how much that helps. Otherwise, I would cover all the bases and attack this disease from every conceivable point. That means doing the following: SR to undo the bracing and reverse the LGS which itself precipitated food sensitivities and caused the auto-immunity, muscle strengthening (in the safest way possible), something like Alexander Technique to learn how to efficiently use your joints, glucosamine to rebuild damaged cartilage, a whole-foods, hypoallergenic diet, etc.
In sum, I think osteo-arthritis can be reversed IF the individual is willing to DO what is necessary to reverse it.
Good Luck!
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Jeff C. on March 11, 2002 at 13:54:26:
Listen to what Jeff says. I have rather severe OA that does seem to be helped by following the McFerran protocol, doing my SR, etc. In an e mail to me Robert told me that he believes that OA has an autoimmune element like RA, a point that Mansfield seems to underscore in his book. I think that the "wear and tear" comes from the fact that the autoimmune attack hits and the weaker body parts, those stressed by overwork. Personally, I find that if I am "good" things get better, and of course then I slack off and end up hurting again. Maybe you can do better !!
In Reply to: Arthritis posted by Frank on March 10, 2002 at 14:13:54:
I feel lucky that my joint problem have been helped by
simple things. First problem years ago was helped by
cod liver oil that was only needed each time my knee hurt
and for about 2 yrs. Glad I listened to the 70 yr old guy
who used to walk the 3 mi around the park where I used to
play tennis instead of the physical therapist who played
there. The old guy told me he had been taking it for 7yrs
and it helped while the therapist asked me if I thought it
would Lube the joints. Come to find out that it Does. The
therapist bought a 400K$ house soon after and he couldn't
afford that recomending a 2$ cure.
Next problem 11 yrs later is being solved by Natures
Bounty Glucosamine/Condroitin and Natrol MSM. Took a while
to figure out that Both were needed since I was giving up
on the Glu/Con since it wasn't doing anything but the MSM
did from first taking it but the Glu/Con must have still
been in my system. I am almost out of the G/C so open a
cap and take about 1/4 to work with A MSM cap and that will
get rid of the pain when it comes back which is every few mo.
I Should get more G/C but haven't been pushed to yet and
the pains are less each time so I forget.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 11, 2002 at 09:48:31:
Is blood testing an accurate way for a physician to test to see if you have food allergies or are there other ways?
Secondly, where can you get info on the foods to eat that would be anti-immflamatory in nature.
Thank You
In Reply to: Arthritis posted by Frank on March 10, 2002 at 14:13:54:
Some time ago I posted about a highly effective protocol for treating arthritis. Did you read it? It's archived at
In Reply to: Arthritis posted by Frank on March 10, 2002 at 14:13:54:
Hi Frank,
Seems that you have plenty of answers to your arthritis post. Thought I would add something not adressed,...structure! Structural misalignments and weaknesses can lead to arthritis. By far, the best structural therapies for arthritis are Neurocranial Restructuring and Prolotherapy. Please go to www.google.com and type these in. You will find plenty of information on them.
-HY
In Reply to: Frank, I hope you've read my old post posted by R. on March 11, 2002 at 22:07:06:
Yes I did find it in the old posts, THANK YOU! I have not yet been to the store to buy all of the things listed, hope to make that trip by this weeken.
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Diet seeker on March 11, 2002 at 17:17:05:
I have run the elimination diet and have also had blood based food allergy tests done by Sage Systems. According to Robert McFerran, blood tests are not as accurate as the E diet. I think that depends on the test. What you need to have tested is delayed allergy, and maybe HY or the Doc can describe that further and better than I can. I found that both were fairly accurate and the results matched up well, but not exactly. Remember too that your allergies can change, and you can develop new allergies. The easy way for anyone to immediately avoid problematic foods is to, for most people, avoid all grains and dairly completely. I also have to eliminate soy and eggs as well. Then also, looking back into the posts by McFerran, avoid those foods that do not do well for a specific blood type. For me, blood type "O", that means ie corn and some other things. Once you determine your allergies however you do it, simply buy organic products whenever possible.
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Diet seeker on March 11, 2002 at 17:17:05:
Hi, Diet.
Listen to Tom F.
Only a Clinical Ecologist is likely to know the most recent tests. 95% of hypersensitivities are not diagnosable by blood tests or skin tests.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Tom F on March 12, 2002 at 09:18:53:
Please enlighten a novice. Where does one find a Clinical Ecologist? Secondly what is HY?
I am a type o too. I just bought the "Eat Right For Your Type" Book. I am so confused about all the claims concerning the right diet to eat. Why are grains no good for you? Does this include oatmeal in the morning? I have cut out dairy but not grains yet. Please advise me why this is not good for you when all you read about is the need for fiber.
Thank you-this should be helpful
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Diet Seeker on March 12, 2002 at 10:31:08:
I would be very careful with the blood type diet. If you read the old posts for some people it works well, others not at all. Research the old postings by Robert McFerran about metabolic type diets. The blood type diets tell you some of what not to eat. McFerran does a better job of saying what TO eat. Post your quetions on the BB after you get a chance to look over some of his work.
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis posted by Helping You on March 11, 2002 at 22:52:34:
Another structural therapy that's been reported effective is B.J. Palmer upper cervical specific. Although, I can't compare it with other techniques.
Another one is Bowen therapy.
Also, I've read at www.cmocure.net that is thyroid is underperforming, CMO will not be effective. They then go on to say that sometimes just correcting hypothyroidism corrects arthritis.
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis posted by R. on March 12, 2002 at 13:41:06:
Thanks for the info. I am familiar with Bowen therapy. I am assuming that upper cervical specific is a facet of chiropractic as B.J Palmer is the founder of chiropractic. I'd be interested in learning more of this if you have links to any articles. As far as I know, the atlas bone is the only main bone effected by chiropractic (which is helpful, but not complete). The Sphenoid bone is actually THE bone as it is the balance for the entire skull. Unfortunately, it cannot be adjusted from the outside. NCR adjusts this bone using endonasal balloons. The therapy is very interesting and produces startling results. If you have the time, check out think link http://www.ndnd.com/ Thanks for the info. The info on CMO and hypothyroidism is news to me.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis (Archive.) posted by Diet Seeker on March 12, 2002 at 10:31:08:
Hi, Tom.
Always go to the glossary for any unfamiliar terms.
HY is Helping You (a very knowledgable BB participant that knows what you need to know).
Go to the archives for holistic practitioners to get on the trail of a Clinical Ecologist. Also look in the archives about MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity).
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis posted by Helping You on March 12, 2002 at 15:03:20:
Thanks. I will check out NCR.
You are correct -- upper cervical specific is a facet of chiropractic therapy. I have a broshure about. I will try to find some links to it. If no info on the net is present, I could probably scan the broshure and email it to you. But the gist of it is correcting problems in the neck area. They talk a lot about the first and second disks, atlas being one of them. Their idea is based on assumption (sounds like it's been confirmed by practice) that correcting problems in that area makes other area correct automatically. They use different types of temperature measuring devices to detect difference of temperature on either sides of the spinal cord. This tells them how severe sublaxations are. Then they use x-rays to determine which way to correct.
I wanted to find where I read about hypothyroidism and effectiveness of CMO, and I found only one place, http://www.bestcmo.com/refund_policy.html. It also says that liver sluggishness may be another cause: "We now know that if a person does not receive any benefit within 30 days after taking 2 bottles (120 capsules) of CMO+ there is little chance that CMO+ is the answer for their problem. At this point you may want to consider that possibly another health challenge, such as low thyroid or sluggish liver function, is interfering with the ability of CMO+ to work in your body. We do suggest 2 bottles before “giving up” as some do not notice benefits until finishing 120 capsules."
In Reply to: Re: Arthritis posted by R. on March 13, 2002 at 17:07:31:
thanks for the info. It's funny, I often hear chiropractors talk about the atlas being THE BONE of all bones. But even when the atlas is adjusted, people still slip out and fall back into their old patterns. I used to get atlas-specific adjustments before finding NCR. After 4 treatments of NCR (about 1 year ago), I have not had to have a single adjustment. When I looked further into this, it was disclosed to me that the sphnenoid bone is actually teh control center for the spine (as far as balance goes). The atlas IS important but the sphenoid determines the position of the atlas. It's interesting stuff. If you have a moment, go to that site and reat about the NCR. Take Care
-HY
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