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Is anyone familiar with this? Is it only for weight loss or is it for metabolism? Nobody in my household can afford to lose weight. lol.
Seems it might be beneficial for health. Is that what it is about really?
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
I've not run into ONE person (and no, not testimonials via atkins books and such) I mean one REAL person who has had any marked long term improvement in weight or health.
If you look at, or understand the chemistry of the body to any degree, you know first that a carbohydrate is..."Hydrated Carbon"... what is carbon? The major thread chemical in all living things, needed for life. Hydration, also, needed for life.
You'll never ever see a long-term healthy person who is thin state to you that they live by Atkins. Never.
You will however, see a lot of folks who are unhealthy, who have NOT got their health under control - either via ailments or weight - or both - who feel Atkins is santa clause.
Cutting down on EXCESS carb foods is fine....but the atkins thing? I think it's a joke and a half. A good money maker though.
My thing. Is if he's (was) so into health - why all the chemicals that are bad for you in his prepackaged food! Dyes! Chemicals! Fillers!
Puhlease.
Now, on that note, my skinny and healthy body is going to go eat a donut :)
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
Lissa,
See the archives about Atkins.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet posted by Michele [20.829] on July 13, 2005 at 07:28:31:
Cutting down on EXCESS carb foods is fine....but the atkins thing? I think it's a joke and a half.
But Atkins IS for cutting down on excess carbs. What do you his diet is about? Can you describe your understanding of the Atkins diet?
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
It would be beneficial for anyone with a hunter gatherer metabolism. Diet doe not affect metabolism as much as metabolism affects what a person should eat. If you eat the right foods for your specific metabolism, and avoice processed foods, then you will be healthy.
My sister in law has been "on" this diet for a couple of years now. Which is to say that she decided to eat right for her metabolic needs, and found the guidance through the Atkins program. She lost 75 lbs. But she needed to. If you are at a good weight and eat an appropriate diet then you will neither gain nor lose.
My own diet would be considered Atkins-like, in that I avoid starchy carbs and grains.
Everyone's needs are different, which is why some ways of eating work for some, but not for others.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet posted by labrat [711.1351] on July 13, 2005 at 12:31:49:
Exactly right, Labrat -- but you said it so much better than I did!
Donna
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
Hey guys,
Sorry, Michelle, but you are wrong about someone who has been on Atkins and is now healthy and fit. I am. My cholesterol is not high, but good, I am healthy, and trim. And I did Atkins, all of the stages, and now I pretty much eat meats, vegetables, fruits,.....not starches or high-carb foods. Maybe every once and a while, but very litttle. I drink LOTS of water. I do not eat sugar, any. This really works for me, I maintain my weight this way, and am healthy, and trim. So I am living proof that the Atkins works and keeps the weight off, and keeps you healthy.
Sally Fiels
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
Atkins archive threads give "File Not Found - The requested URL was not found on this server." Wonder if you know about this.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Jan S. [3524.19] on July 13, 2005 at 19:50:19:
the board must have been on a diet and shed some archives :-)
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet posted by DonnaW [302.465] on July 13, 2005 at 13:10:23:
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In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Jan S. [3524.19] on July 13, 2005 at 19:50:19:
The link is case sensitive. Try a lower case "a" as in the link below:
Bill
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
I didn't think these were THAT inflammatory. Every time I turn around stuff goes missing.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Bill [1129.1384] on July 13, 2005 at 22:23:50:
The links within the link aren't working.
In Reply to: Atkin's diet posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 12, 2005 at 21:04:42:
Atkins is similar to ER4YT type O diet - focusing on animal proteins, low starch vegetables, and 1-3 pieces of non sweet fruit daily. I'd say that for a protein type Atkins is probably a good plan if someone devoted themselves to it.
Protein types like me are sometimes better off to avoid grains (bread, pasta, rice, etc.)
A high protein diet increases metabolism (animal proteins with each meal) and is essential for most protein types.
Lurch
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Bill [1129.1384] on July 13, 2005 at 22:23:50:
Open the link in a new window and change the capital A to a lower case a in the address window. :-)
Lurch
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet :It doesn't work Bill posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 14, 2005 at 02:24:38:
Whoops - fixed - please try again. Don't forget to refresh the atkins.html page.
Bill
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet :It doesn't work Bill posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 14, 2005 at 02:24:38:
I posted my reply to you under Bill's reply above. I meant to post it here instead. Sorry about that.
Lurch
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Bill [1129.1384] on July 13, 2005 at 22:23:50:
Thanks for fixing!! (Capital A's in links)
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Jan S. [3524.19] on July 13, 2005 at 19:50:19:
Jan,
I went directly to them just now. Try again.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet (Walt/Bill, Atkins archives missing) posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 14, 2005 at 09:10:39:
Thanks Walt. Bill has fixed it since I first posted the alert. The links were mixed case ...he downcased them. So all is well now. :)
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 13, 2005 at 11:12:03:
to your question about metabolism being affected by diet? It got erased - something must have happened while I was off line.
Hope you saw it - I guess I can re-post but had a hard time writing what I did...rats!
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In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by labrat [711.1351] on July 14, 2005 at 11:02:59:
Hey, labrat! So, are you going to repost that?
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 16, 2005 at 12:20:39:
sorry - been busy!
Okay, the question was whether or not diet affected metabolism.
The answer is, not really. First we need to define "metabolism". I would define it as the sum of many functions of a given body...for our discussion, the one function that we are most interested in is the conversion of food into energy. Different people use different chemical pathways to convert food into energy. The pathways can't be changed. That is the way that person "metabolises" food. Now, if that person eats a food that lends itself well to their specific process, then that person will thrive - all systems will function as intended. If that person eats a food that does NOT lend itself well to the process, then additional energy, additional processes will be need to make up the difference and/or the output of the proces will not be as great (not as much energy).
The results of these two scenarios might lead one to believe that the food affected the process, when in fact it didn't. The process remains the same, but the outcome is different depending on the "fuel" you use. If you put the wrong kind of gas in an engine, the gas doesn't change the engine...so "regular" gas doesn't make the engine worse, it just changes the efficiency.
I hope I'm making sense - i had it down a little better the first time I think...
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by labrat [1674.2097] on July 16, 2005 at 13:26:24:
Yes, you're making sense. Let's say this is so. Then would this make it possible to say that a diet can affect the rate of metabolism? I believe this is what some people mean when they talk about changing metabolism with a diet.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 16, 2005 at 18:08:20:
I'm a protein type (O+). I can feel the diference when I go from 2 to 3 or 1 to 2 animal protein meals a day. I believe it increases my metabolism. Proteins are pro thyroid. I think the amino acids feed the thyroid.
Digestive enzymes help too, and gelatin. I cannot speak for everyone but it's true for me.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by Lurch [1914.2035] on July 17, 2005 at 05:50:31:
Hi Lurch,
Which digestive enzymes do you use?
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by gabriella [180.890] on July 17, 2005 at 12:56:51:
Hi Gabs,
I use Thera-zymes that I get from Lita Lee PhD. They are some of the highest potency available.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by Lurch [1914.2035] on July 17, 2005 at 16:33:43:
Hi Lurch,
Thank you very much, looks interesting. I saved the link and the information. If I use them I will certainly let you know!
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by Lurch [1914.2035] on July 17, 2005 at 05:50:31:
Does it matter to you what kinds of animal protein you eat?
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 18, 2005 at 23:56:59:
Yes, I'm pretty sure that animal proteins are more effective for me. Lately I'm eating more grains, beans, breads, with milk and gelatin. I'm hoping to get enough protein out of all of that and there's a good chance I am.
I still have too much heat from cayenne.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by labrat [711.1351] on July 14, 2005 at 11:02:59:
Hi labrat,
A lot got erased. As far as hunter-gatherer metabolism, first of all I don't know why you said that eskimos eat whale blubber. They do NOT eat whale blubber. BUT they are hunter-gatherers.
What they eat is Caribou, Moose, Seal, Fish, Vegetables, Walrus, They may make bread but I'm not sure. I imagine they do have some sort of bread in their diet. I have lived near and been friends with eskimos and I have not discussed whales with them but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't eat the blubber. I thought that was important if you were going to use an eskimo as an example for your hunter-gatherer metabolism theme.
So do people of different races really have different metabolisms? I do know that race can make a person susceptible to certain diseases (like sickle-cell anemia and probably other illnesses).
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by lissa [1937.39] on July 19, 2005 at 11:46:46:
Hi Lissa:
Modern "Eskimos" may eat whatever is available in their local markets, but what did ancient Eskimos eat? I can't see them making their own bread. What would they have used for flour? It's unlikely that they grew fields of cereal grains?
Hmmm, I've always read that Eskimos used to eat blubber. Was that incorrect, then?
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by Lurch [1914.2035] on July 19, 2005 at 09:14:09:
I'm hoping to get enough protein out of all of that
Hi Lurch,
Are you saying this because you're trying to avoid red meats due to a possible connection with mad cow disease, or are you just trying to find alternative forms of protein for other reasons like variety and interest.
Thanks,
gabs
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on July 19, 2005 at 11:54:04:
Hi Philly,
I just told you what ancient (and some modern) eskimos eat. They are STILL hunter-gatherers and they STILL eat this stuff. They grow gardens and they hunt and fish. Especially if they aren't living in the city.
I've eaten seal myself (ONCE). They still hunt them. They CAN hunt them because they don't do it for mercenary reasons. They will kill one eat the meat, make pouches out of the skin, if it were a walrus they killed they might even make jewelry out of the tusk. But they wouldn't kill a hundred of them, take the tusk and throw the rest away. I imagine that if they happened to kill a whale they would eat it too but they would use the blubber for waxing snowshoes, making candles or something. I seriously doubt that eskimos ever ate whale blubber.
What I am curious about is this: ANYBODDDY could have the same diet as an eskimo and it would be nutritionally better than what they would get in the store. So the question is, does this diet work for THEM just because they have a certain type of metabolism? I THINK if you put something in your body (LIKE SUGAR, OR MSG) You JUST CAN'T METABOLIZE it because the body (every body) wasn't made to metabolize it.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 19, 2005 at 12:57:07:
Hi Lisa:
"...I seriously doubt that eskimos ever ate whale blubber."
The Inuit natives of the Artic eat blubber. It's good for them. Despite the pollution affecting their food supply (cold water mammals), they still enjoy their ration of blubber.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by PhillyLady [2051.1599] on July 19, 2005 at 20:53:12:
Arctic, not Artic.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by PhillyLady [2051.1599] on July 19, 2005 at 20:53:12:
O.K. So they eat blubber. That is news to me because the Inuits I associated with didn't hunt whales.
My question still remains unanswered. labrat's argument was that THEY have a special metabolism. How do we know that we would metabolize whale blubber any differently. How many of you out there have eaten whale blubber?
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by PhillyLady [2051.1599] on July 19, 2005 at 20:53:12:
Thanks for the article. It is SAD the way that we so-called "civilized" people destroy other people's homes.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by PhillyLady [2051.1599] on July 19, 2005 at 20:53:12:
Quote from the article.
"Western-style foods do not give all the nutrition needed to live in the harsh Arctic environment."
Metabolism or Harsh Conditions?
Maybe the Harsh Conditions will change. It wasn't too cold when I was up there. Only 40 degrees below zero. That is relatively mild.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Quote from the article posted by lissa [1937.39] on July 20, 2005 at 08:53:18:
The reason why the Inuits would still hunt whales apparently is that it would give them fat to keep warm. This would indicate that labrat's argument is out the window because Atkins is a diet to lose fat.
Much of Alaska does not have power, phone lines or even wells. The people I knew either had electric or gas heat or they used fire to keep warm so they probably didn't need whale blubber to protect their bodies from the cold.
Alaska IS a very harsh place to live, as beautiful as it is I wouldn't want to stay there for very long. I can't handle the endless daylight in the summer and endless night in the winter. There are only a few months of the year that the lighting is close to what we have down here and that is in the fall and spring. I can't take this, it can drive a person crazy in isolation. I found myself walking the dog at 2 AM because I didn't know the afternoon from the early morning. It is difficult to adjust to but I preferred the winter because I sleep better in the dark. The cold was tolerable. But there were times I had to walk a distance in the bitter cold because an unexpected storm came and I couldn't get the car out.
It's not an easy place to live. I wasn't too close to anything.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [1937.39] on July 20, 2005 at 09:17:41:
Hi lissa:
The Inuits you spent time with may have lived under more modern conditions. Remember, there are Inuit people also living in Greenland, Finland and Russia, really the whole Arctic region. So, I imagine some are bound to still eat the old-fashioned way.
My understanding of the Atkins diet is that you eat fat/protein to lose fat, and that a high carb diet promotes fat.
Your Alaskan experience sounds memorable:-)
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on July 20, 2005 at 10:23:49:
Hi Philly,
I presumed that these people lived in the whole arctic region and that some would still be bound to eat the blubber and the type of housing they have would probably come into play. This is what I got out of the article.
I found that the best way to stay warm in the winter in a place with no modern heating is to have a multi-level house that is open, build a fire at the bottom and put yourself at the top. You actually can get TOO HOT doing that but it is the best way to go.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response... posted by Lurch [1914.2035] on July 19, 2005 at 09:14:09:
I should've stressed the word animal: Does it matter to you what kinds of animal protein (from eggs, lamb, beef, any red meat, pork, poultry, etc.) you eat?
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by PhillyLady [1906.1536] on July 20, 2005 at 10:23:49:
Eat fat to lose fat? Okey Dokey.
I think I'd stick to lean meat (Venison is good) before I'd try that.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 20, 2005 at 13:58:37:
Are you saying you don't eat any fat?
Lissa, it would be helpful to you if you studied physiology (nutrition, in particular) little. You would then know that dietary doesn't necessarily go to body fat storage automatically. Here's an interesting data point. Eating meals rich in protein and fat and low in carbs in the morning stimulates the body to continue what it does during the night -- use fat for fuel == burn body fat.
Fat helps utilization of protein and other nutrients. But I guess somebody should eat lean cuts to reduce waste and keep prices down, and that might as well be you. :) And don't even touch organ meats. I don't want prices on them to skyrocket.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 21, 2005 at 11:08:23:
Hi R,
That's not what I was saying. I meant that if I was over-weight, which I'm not, but I'm losing weight at a pace that probably isn't healthy. I wouldn't eat fat to lose it, I'd eat lean. I actually don't eat a lot of fat and probably should eat more but I don't know what to do when I'm not hungry. How can I eat when I just don't feel like eating?
The fattest thing I eat is pizza. That's about it, I eat it once a week. I love cheese but I just don't eat it too often.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 21, 2005 at 11:32:08:
I'm not underweight either but I'm getting there. I'm 5'2" and weigh 110 lbs. Just about right but I think I'm still losing.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 21, 2005 at 11:32:08:
Sorry, I don't know if I should eat a lot of fat. I should eat some but I don't exercize too much and I'd get fat if I ate fat (Trust me I know), unless I burned off the fat.
I used to weigh 100 lbs. That's what size I was my entire life since I was 12 (5'2" 100 lbs) until I wasn't as active and ate stuff that were fattening. It wasn't good fat though it was cake. Strange that I ate so much of it, because I don't really even care for stuff that is so sweet.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 21, 2005 at 11:32:08:
I wouldn't even use organs to make gravy. I do not eat gizzards, or kidneys, livers or brains or anything of the sort and won't be eating them.
Rocky Mountain Oysters don't taste too bad (as long as you don't think of what it is you are eating)
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [2032.39] on July 21, 2005 at 11:32:08:
You know, the words such as a lot, too much, more, less, etc. are too vague. I personally eat as much fat and everything else (whole foods, mind you) as I feel like.
Eating as much fatty meals (with little carbs) has proven to have a weight normalizing effect (at least, for some people -- a lot of them).
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 22, 2005 at 02:13:56:
relatively speaking, I eat very little fat. I have very little fat on my body.
I don't eat fat OR carbs too often.
I eat one meal per day and I don't think I'm dying.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [1937.39] on July 22, 2005 at 20:59:52:
I think it's the days I don't eat at all that are causing the weight loss.
Have you noticed how PUNY a SERVING is?
I think I get my daily requirements from the ONE meal I eat (when I eat)
Gee Whiz. I don't know where they get that 4 oz of this or 6 oz of that is enough for anyone. THAT IS NUTS. I would be starving if I followed the guidelines.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by lissa [1937.39] on July 22, 2005 at 20:59:52:
I have very little fat on my body.
That may not be good. I've heard that if the percentage falls below some number (I think it's 18 or 15 or something like that), women stop menstruating.
Too little dietary fat can cause depression and excessive posting on internet forums.
In Reply to: Re: Atkin's diet - R. did you see my response...Oh Philly posted by R. [2151.2032] on July 22, 2005 at 22:32:42:
My LIFE is depressing (well, parts of it). The only thing anti-depressants are likely to do is make me fat.
Never had any problems with the menses.
I can gain or lose 10 lbs at the drop of a hat. Seriously, I think I should stay away from fat.
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