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Baker Cyst

Posted by
Dyana on March 11, 1999 at 16:16:51:

Dr Stoll, I am a 41 year old female in great shape, and very healthy. I went to the doctor for pain in my leg which a few days later I happened to be looking at my leg and saew the swelling.Located behind the knee at the crease and slightly below the crease. The doctor said, two drs actually, that Ihave a baker cyst. Occasionally there is pain at the cyst and around the knee. BUT, my pain is twinges in the calf, side, lower calf, shin, on and off. Its very annoying. My doctor recommend leg stretches which Ive been doing. NOW, it is now 4:20PM I have read every posting on baker cyst, I started going thru the archives at noon! I saw 1 posting and your summary that mentioned pain in the calf, you said pain 'down the leg'. Can you please clarify this 'pain down the leg'for me? Thank You.



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 1999 at 11:34:30:

In Reply to: Baker Cyst posted by Dyana on March 11, 1999 at 16:16:51:

Hi, Dyana.

Perhaps you missed this one since it has not yet been archived. See link below.

If you still have questions write again.

Walt



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by Dyana on March 12, 1999 at 17:33:29:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 1999 at 11:34:30:

Yes, I read that summary, but I still don't fully understand. I know it states 'down the leg' but do you mean all areas of the leg, along a nerve, etc. etc..And can this pain continue as long as I have the cyst?



Re: Baker Cyst ( A picture is worth a thousand words.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1999 at 12:23:01:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Dyana on March 12, 1999 at 17:33:29:

Dear Dyana,

This is an example of a time when a picture is needed and, since I am not there, you are just going to have to have your doc show you his/her pictures. You have to ask the doc these questions while you both are looking at the pictures.

One of the reasons docs make so much money is that they are supposed to take the time to answer questions like this. They only take the money & run when patients let them do it.

If you can come up with a way to explain the answers to your questions without a picture, I hope you will share it with the rest of us. Perhaps it will help me explain this better. I have done the best I know already.

Walt



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by
Robin Williams on March 14, 1999 at 17:33:55:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Dyana on March 12, 1999 at 17:33:29:

Yes I to was told I have a bakers cyst with pain in my right knee, I had MRI last week will get results Tuesday. The question I have is can the burning I have on the innerside of my knee be an injury. I have been suffering since Oct 1998.
Please reply



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 1999 at 15:45:38:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Robin Williams on March 14, 1999 at 17:33:55:

Hi, Robin.

This condition, & its significance, has been discussed at great length on this BB for years. Go to the archives & look. THEN, if you have more questions, write again.

In the meantime you might get a start with the unarchived link below.

Walt



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by
Robin Williams on March 19, 1999 at 05:59:50:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 1999 at 15:45:38:

Yes Just wanted to let you know I will need surgery I have a severe medial meniscal tear they will either remove it or repair or transplant, I'm going to 2nd orthopedic Wednesday for his opionin he is Dr. Terry Habig he is the sports orthopedic for the New Orleans Saints football players, I figure if he can get those guys back to sports maybe he can get me back to my activity levels without future complications. Whats your opionin.
Thanks,
Robin



Re: Baker Cyst (plus tear in the medial meniscus)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 20, 1999 at 08:50:24:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Robin Williams on March 19, 1999 at 05:59:50:

Dear Robin,

Sounds like a good plan to me.

Has anyone come up with what caused all this damage yet?

Remember: total-body bracing is the main difference between the athlete that is always injured and the one that is never injured.

Walt



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by
Carol E. Brown on May 18, 1999 at 14:45:51:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Robin Williams on March 14, 1999 at 17:33:55:

What is and what causes Baker Cyst in the knee



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 19, 1999 at 14:56:31:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Carol E. Brown on May 18, 1999 at 14:45:51:

Hi, Carol.

Spend a few hours reading th link below. This has been discussed for years on this BB.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by
E on September 19, 1999 at 03:11:51:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Robin Williams on March 14, 1999 at 17:33:55:

Just a word of warning for those of you about to have a Baker's cyst removed - bearing in mind of course that
perhaps we were just unlucky.

My partner had a baker's cyst diagnosed in April of this year. It was aspirated but filled up again immediately. We then moved from Trinidad to Greece - baker's cyst very much still in evidence so it was removed here in Greece after an MRI scan. The op seemed to go OK and he was only in the clini for two days. Then the trouble started. One month later the wound was still leaking excessively . The doctor just seemed to think it was an unfortunate after effect.

After about 5 weeks after the op, he went to England. He was hospitalised for ONE MONTH and then at home, hardly able to move with the leg in plaster for another two months! Eventually, the inside of the knee healed and he was allowed to come to Greece for a few weeks before going back to UK for what we hoped would be the last outpatient visit. However, after five days in Greece I saw green/yellow discharge, took him to hospital where he was told it was reinfected. He was on the next flight out to the UK - straight from airport to hospital where they said it is NOT infected but this greeny yellowy discharge is quite normal.

HELP. This whole story started six months ago, and all being well we have been told to expect another two months for the wound to heal. Meanwhile, John is in considerable pain, and has not walked properly for six months so I can expect physio in the months to come etc etc

As I said, don't want to panic anybody = perhaps we were just very unfortunate but I just want you all to know that
what might seem like a simple op actually can turn out to be
a major negative event. Good luck to all Baker's cyst patients!



Re: Baker Cyst : ARCHIVE under Baker's Cyst

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 20, 1999 at 12:41:16:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by E on September 19, 1999 at 03:11:51:

Thanks, E.

This is one of the reasons that the conventional medical monopoly is not very interested in promoting the idea of wellness. If everyone ate a whole foods diet, did SR regularly and exercised Aerobically 3 times a week, there wouldn't BE any Baker's Cysts. See glossary for any unfamiliar terms.

What happened with this surgery is that the Greek surgeon did not sew closed the neck of the cyst where it came through the capsule of the joint. Likely neither did he repair the tear in the joint capsule that allowed the hernia sac to happen in the first place. He just cut off the cyst and removed it.

THEN, the leaking fluid from the joint--through the path that was not sutured--kept the passage open so that bacteria could get in there. Joint or bone infections are the most terrible complication of orthopedics that can happen.

NOW, doing surgery through the infection would be very dangerous and it will be very difficult to resolve the infection while the damn thing still has an open passageway from the joint to the outside. What a catch 22! Don't let any of them tell you that drainage from this surgery is "to be expected"! However, now that it is infected, it must drain or he could end up with an amputation.

This is one of the things that makes me so d--n mad about the struggle to keep the conventional medical monopoly: If they are going to insist on excluding those healing paradigms that do so much better with chronic conditions, the very least they could do is practice excellent conventional medicine.

The fault belongs to the Greek surgeon for not doing the job technically right. THEN, anyone who delayed closing the drainage site until the knee became infected is at fault secondarily. NOW, anyone who works with this is working with a tremendous disadvantage and anything can happen with no fault of the practitioner.

The only thing I would have to offer is for him to build up his health and wellness to a very high level. That will require him becomming a student of this process (which we have discussed on this BB for years.--See the home page articles, the glossary and the archives about wellness.) If he does this diligently,he will have a chance of stopping this in 6-12 months. In the meantime, taking at least 5 grams of esterified vitamin C a day will boost the activity of his white blood cells significantly without giving him any side-effects. The longer the infection is present the more damage there will be to the joint and the less likely that he will ever have normal function.

Vigorous physical therapy, good Chiropractic care & a flexibility program done daily would all preserve as much function as possible while his wellness is being built up. Even if the wellness does not resolve the infection, it will make any further medical care much easier and more effective SO, he cannot lose doing the "wellness".

Let us know what happens. Read the archives link I have prepared for you below for more options. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt




Re: Baker Cyst

Posted by
Richmond Carney on October 31, 1999 at 17:11:40:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst posted by Robin Williams on March 19, 1999 at 05:59:50:

Please write me and let me know what your symptoms were. I have been offered a total knee replacement. I am seeking a second opinion and after reading your note. I will seek my second opinion from a physician working in sports medicine



Re: Baker Cyst ( A picture is worth a thousand words.)

Posted by Delma White on November 04, 1999 at 08:49:39:

In Reply to: Re: Baker Cyst ( A picture is worth a thousand words.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1999 at 12:23:01:

My mother who is 88 years old is in the hospital with what they called a baker cyst. She is unable to move her leg at all. yesterday they put her complete leg in a brace but no mention was made of treatment.



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