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Ok I am using the EDA Bioscan. You mentioned it once in the archives. It was about 185 bucks. The link is a photo the device.
It has volume control, and visual lights too. Also where you can plug your portable CD player where it plays the tone with the music you are listening to, which is good.
The instructions tell me to put the sens knob to 1.0 (right in the middle). Then turn the "trait" knob until the state arousal is at 6 (trait set) on the machine. You can see all this in the picture. It has a cord attached to a finger sensor thing where you attach it to your fingers (has velcro).
Anyway, I did it 2 times. First time I was so concerned about it that I was making myself tense. Second time was better. I got the tone to drop as low as it can go (and even to stop), opened eyes to see the number dropping to 1 and below. After a few seconds however, it went back up to like 3/4 until I closed eyes again, then tone dropped and number went off again. I would say out of the 20 minutes, it went down to 1 or 2 or below for about 10 minutes of it.
What does this tell you?
In Reply to: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 17, 2007 at 19:22:39:
Hi Steven,
Great! It tells me that you are starting to learn how to use it, and getting some results.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 17, 2007 at 19:22:39:
Thanks, Steven.
Jan said it all!
I think it is a little pricy but, with your results it would be cheap at twice the price!
Congratulations for not giving up.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 18, 2007 at 08:01:24:
I'm still trying to work the kinks with this thing, with the help of the company that makes it (where to start the knobs and stuff).
But I am clearly dropping from 4-6 numbers every time I use my relaxation CD. Does this mean I am reaching the relaxation response?
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [2062.3211] on January 17, 2007 at 22:34:37:
I hope it's working. But if it's right and I am reaching, something puzzles me. I know Walt says to do it 20 minutes 2 times a day for results. I haven't done it 2 times a day but I have done it every day pretty much for over a year. I would think I would have seen SOME (at to that the full body massage every other week, exercise and a pretty clean diet) results but I have not.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 18, 2007 at 11:19:09:
Well, you stated: "I know Walt says to do it 20 minutes 2 times a day
for results. I haven't done it 2 times a day but I have done it every day
pretty much for over a year."
So you answered your own question. Dr. Stoll has stated here and in
his books that only 5% of the population will see benefits with SR
done once a day. So there you have it.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 18, 2007 at 11:19:09:
Steven, Walt says the need for two times per day is that one of the times takes care of current stress and the second session takes care of some of the stored stress. So you cannot really make headway on your stored stress if this is correct.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 18, 2007 at 11:19:09:
Hi Steven,
I echo what Sally and Eric said. When all else fails, follow the directions! :o)
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 18, 2007 at 11:17:40:
Yup, Steven!
At least you are going in the right direction.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 18, 2007 at 11:19:09:
Steven,
Listen to Happygal, Sally & Eric. Once a day might be enough to maintain the status quo which you obviously do not like. It usually takes twice a day to make sigtnificant progress within 6 months.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 19, 2007 at 07:25:13:
so it doesn't hsve to go all the way down to 1 and below? it is clearly dropping everytime though.
i just want to be sure before i do 2 times a day.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 19, 2007 at 10:35:10:
Steven,
The drop is a good indication that you are on the right track and, in my opinion, is enough to get the effect that is cumulative over time.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 20, 2007 at 08:26:42:
I want to be sure before I hsve to devote that much time and effort.
Is it enough to be sure that I am reaching?
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 20, 2007 at 11:13:59:
Steven,
If you are climbing a ladder, does it mean progress because you are reaching for the next rung?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 21, 2007 at 07:52:27:
From what I said, am I reaching the rel. response then?
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 21, 2007 at 16:08:13:
Steven,
The journey is only a part of the process towards the goal.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 22, 2007 at 07:55:03:
Please answer the question though.
From what I wrote, am I reaching it?
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 22, 2007 at 11:15:24:
Steven,
Sounds like you are on your way. I do not know what more I can say.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 23, 2007 at 08:04:07:
If using a GSR for a week isn't enough to show that I am reaching, what is?
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 11:00:23:
Steven:
Keep doing what you're doing. Walt is telling you that you are on the right track.
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [1307.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 12:40:32:
I understand that but at the same time, the responses seem to be getting more vague with the ladder examples and what not. And honestly, if someone is recommending something, they should be a little more clear, in my opinion.
I am using it but I am not gonna switch to 2 times a day unless I am sure I am reaching. It's too hard to schedule but I would if I know for sure.
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 13:05:38:
I see, Steven.
Jan
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 13:05:38:
Hey Steven, try telling your trainer "I am not gonna lift twice a week unless I am sure I am getting gains at once a week!" and see if he buys it.
What Walt claims is that SR at 2x day *actually improves* its quality and you'll get gains you'd never get at 1x a day.
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Jan S. [3541.2863] on January 23, 2007 at 21:25:51:
Well said, Jan.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Jan S. [3541.2863] on January 23, 2007 at 21:25:51:
That makes no sense though. I am WILLING to do it 2 times a day if I am sure I am reaching alpha (certified).
Your example would make more sense is you had to train 2 times every day (instead of twice a week) and there were limitations on when you could train (can't eat before, can't sleep for 2 hours after, can't exercise for 2 hours after etc).
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 23:25:45:
I think your reasoning is somewhat of a catch-22, personally. For some reason I'm confident you'll figure something out.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 11:00:23:
Steven,
It can easily take months to learn this skill. Until biofeedback was invented, it commonly took a lifetime.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 23, 2007 at 23:25:45:
Steven,
NOTHING in this life is "sure" but death and taxes!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Walt Stoll [1915.1889] on January 24, 2007 at 08:20:47:
But I also see how this place works. You always ask this same question "how long have you practiced your CERTIFIED SR twice a day?"
Well this is what I have been trying to do: certify it. But I can't get a straight answer as to if I have.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [1915.1889] on January 24, 2007 at 07:43:50:
OK then I'll ask a simple yes/no direct question, based on the info I gave you (from the EDA scan results), in your opinion, am I reaching the relaxation response? Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Jan S. [3541.2863] on January 24, 2007 at 00:57:54:
I'm trying, as I'm sure anyone can tell but it seems very difficult to get straight answers.
My point about the exercise is that doing 2 workouts a week are not something you have to rearrange every day of your life around as doing SR 2 times a day. And if you miss working out for a week or two it doesn't make you lose everything you gained. Putting in that time every single day, I want to know it's "certified" as Walt always says.
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 24, 2007 at 13:21:41:
Hi Steven,
Of course. We can't see you, we can only tell from your description -- how do we know your description is straight? We can't give you a definite answer because you're not here. We can only point you in a right direction. That should be good enough. Keep working on it.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [2062.3211] on January 24, 2007 at 16:23:50:
I agree but it's not like anyone would be with me at a biofeedback session either.
But, for argument's sake, if I am not reaching, and I do 2 times a day for a year, it's a complete waste of time.
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 24, 2007 at 18:08:46:
Um, if you get a biofeedback session with a professional, there will be someone there with you telling you exactly how you are doing. That's why we recommend it.
Yes, if you do 2 times a day for a year, and it's not right, it will not be productive. However, we've been telling you for a week now that it sounds like you're doing it, so there is a good chance you are.
If you want to be 100% sure, hire a professional who will be in the same room with you. I did.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [2062.3211] on January 24, 2007 at 21:26:35:
I have been in contact with an EEG biofeedback lady. She might test me.
I just wonder if I'll be able to relax somewhere other than my home and NOT alone.
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 24, 2007 at 12:21:15:
what is relaxation response?
In Reply to: Re: Biofeedback for Walt Archive. posted by o.b. [1830.1399] on January 25, 2007 at 00:06:42:
Hi o.b.,
There is a description in the glossary under "R". See link below.
Hope this helps.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: For Happygal posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 24, 2007 at 23:24:46:
Hi Steven,
What I did to help me relax more outside of my own home, was to make a visit to the biofeedback place in advance of my session. That way I got used to the place, and got to know the person I would be working with. This all helped me be able to relax at the time of my session.
Also, keep practicing until you think you have the relaxation down pretty well. Then, when you have your eyes closed during your session, just imagine you are at home and do the same relaxing things.
Let us know how it goes. We are rooting for you!
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 24, 2007 at 11:31:12:
Steven,
How much plainer can I be?????????
This is a process and takes time. What you have said says to me that you are one the right track and that is ALL. If the right track is not enough for you continue other avenues and come back here in 20 years when you have worse problems. Maybe you will be willing to listen then?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 25, 2007 at 08:49:30:
Only if you promise to be here...
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 25, 2007 at 08:49:30:
I'm not expecting a quick fix.
But you said yourself, if it isn't verified, it is a waste of time. So i bought this EDA bioscan to verify. In ur book u mention buying one. But I cant get a concrete answer if what happens is verification.
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 25, 2007 at 10:08:03:
Thanks, Steven.
I really do not understand why you are having such a hard time with this. NOTHING about humans is 100%.
I have already said that it looks like you are on the right track and all you have to do is persist.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Walt Stoll [4817.1889] on January 26, 2007 at 08:43:01:
If it's not 100 percent, how can it be considered "certified?"
What i don't want to happen is doing this 2 times a day every day for a year and it does nothing for me.
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 26, 2007 at 12:27:52:
So what's two years out of your life? It can't hurt you. You will know after 6 months if you are making progress.
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Walt Stoll [4817.1889] on January 26, 2007 at 08:43:01:
Walt, I am trying to achieve happiness. In that regard, I have taken up
the practice of smiling, which I do every day. Today, while smiling, I
achieved a chuckle. Have I achieved happiness?
I know, it takes more muscles to frown than smile, still, it is an effort,
and I don't want to waste my time smiling if I'm not going to achieve
happiness.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Jim H.
: )
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Jim H. [422.3129] on January 26, 2007 at 16:46:15:
Ha, Jim. You have such a way with words. And they work so much better than bopping someone in the head. (which is a lot faster, though)
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Steven [280.3210] on January 26, 2007 at 12:27:52:
Steven,
Just do it. Take a risk. It is not helpful to keep asking the same question over and over when you've heard the same answer from everyone over and over.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Jim H. [422.3129] on January 26, 2007 at 16:46:15:
Congratulations, Jim!
One more step in the right direction.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: But Walt... posted by Steve [3019.2765] on January 26, 2007 at 12:46:52:
You are kidding right? What's two years?
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