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My 14 yearold nephew was biten by a recluse last year and was hospitalized. He had to have surgery on his leg and was put on a strong antibiotic. My nephew still has effects from the venom. Are there any suggestions to help his body build back up his immunity? Would it be like for anything else?
In Reply to: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 11, 2003 at 20:17:05:
Hey Barb, what effects is he still having?
Herbally, you might want to focus on the nerves (too). If I remember correctly poisonous bites usually aim to damage the cns.
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by thessa on March 12, 2003 at 01:21:34:
Hi Thessa, generally he just doesn't feel good. He gets fatigued easily.
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 12, 2003 at 01:28:32:
Are you sure the effects remain from the spider bite, or could it be the treatment (antibiotics, other drugs)? This poor kid sure doesn't want to start down (or continue down) the leaky gut road...
In Reply to: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 11, 2003 at 20:17:05:
Hi, Barb.
This is NOT a residual from his bite. The reason surgery is necessary is that the venom is SO vasoconstrictive (keeping it localized at the site of the bite and avoiding any systemic effects) that it cuts off al the circulation and the area becomes gangrenous and there are never any generalized effects like this. His doc's should have explained this thoroughly!
He needs serious wellness or his future is not very bright.
Let us know what he decides to do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by thessa on March 12, 2003 at 03:06:14:
Thanks Walt and Thessa, I will have to ask some more questions. Maybe there is something else going on.
In Reply to: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 11, 2003 at 20:17:05:
It's a pity his doctor didn't know any better. Read about using nitroglycerin patches for Brown Recluse spider bites. An author of this article, Dr. Kenneth Burton, says that "the devastation caused by the bite of the Brown Recluse spider can be stopped in its tracks and reversed, even at advanced stages of its degenerative effects." He specifically tells what brand of patches he had found most helpful.
If you try this method or any other, please tell us.
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Walt Stoll on March 12, 2003 at 09:53:23:
Dr. Kenneth Burton would strongly disagree with your statement that surgery is necessary for this problem. I have posted this in the past -- about using nitroglycerin patches for Brown Recluse spider bites.
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by R. on March 12, 2003 at 15:40:00:
Hi R, Thanks for the information. It seems that many people have been getting bitten by the recluse. I'll have to save this website.
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by thessa on March 12, 2003 at 03:06:14:
My nephew has been on antibiotics since the bite which was about a year ago. There are some other things that might figure into why he is not feeling well. Thanks for your thoughts, got us thinking to look at his diet and other things. ;o)
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 12, 2003 at 18:29:22:
Maybe having some patches on hand is a good idea. Just in case.
In Reply to: Thessa, a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 12, 2003 at 18:36:13:
I'm glad Barb! Hope his health gets back on track.
In Reply to: Re: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by R. on March 12, 2003 at 15:43:01:
Thanks, R.
Nitroglycerin Patches work by dilating arteries which would be a direct antidote to the brown recluse venom. IF this is not enough, though, surgical excision of the area would still be needed. Until the gangrene begins one would not know it was a brown recluse unless the varmint was observed (RARE).
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 11, 2003 at 20:17:05:
the body expends a lot of vit. C to counter toxins and requires a lot of vit. C to restore health, if it was me, I'd give him 3g of vit. C daily in the form of mineral ascorbates.
From F. Klenner, MD, a pioneer in vit. C therapy:
A Case History-Success Due To Promptness With A Twelve Gram Injection
As an example of the lethal effect of certain stings and bites, I briefly relate a case history. An adult male came to my office complaining of severe chest pain and the inability to take a deep breath. Stated that he had been "stung" or "bitten" 10 minutes earlier. Thinking that it was a Black Widow and not bothering to look for fang marks, due to the gravity of the situation, I gave one gram calcium gluconate intravenously. This gave no relief. He begged for help saying he was dying. He was becoming cyanotic [blue or livid skin from lack of oxygen]. Twelve grams of vitamin C was quickly pulled into a 50 c.c. syringe and with a 20 gauge needle was given intravenously as fast as the plunger could be pushed. Even before the injection was completed, he exclaimed, "Thank God". The poison had been neutralized that rapidly. He was sent home to locate the "culprit". He soon returned with an object that looked like a mouse. It was 1 1/2 inches long with long brown hair. There was a dark ridge down the entire back. It had seven pairs of propelling units and a tail much like a mouse. The following day I took "The Thing" to Duke University where it was identified as the Puss Caterpillar. This unusual caterpillar left 44 red raised marks on the back of its victim. Except for vitamin C this individual would have died from shock and asphyxiation.
Another:
In one spectacular case of Black Widow[69] spider bite in a 3 1/2 year old child, in coma, one gram calcium gluconate and 4 grams of ascorbic acid was administered intravenously when first seen in the office. Four grams ascorbic acid was then given every six hours using a 20 c.c. syringe. She was awake and well in 24 hours. Physical examination showed a comatose child with a rigid abdomen. The area about the umbilicus was red and indurated, suggesting a strangulated hernia. With a 4 power lens, fang marks were in evidence. Thirty hours after starting the vitamin C therapy the child expelled a large amount of dark clotted blood. There was no other residual. A review of the literature confirmed that this individual has been the only one to survive with such findings; the others were reported at autopsy. Ten grams vitamin C and 200 mg to 400 mg vitamin B-6, by mouth, daily will "shield" one from mosquito bites. Twenty percent will also require 100 mg vitamin B-6 intramuscularly each week.
In Reply to: a bite from the recluse brown spider posted by Barb on March 11, 2003 at 20:17:05:
I had a bite about 6 years ago. I ended up going on antibiotics and benedryl for 6-8 weeks - which was the only thing that helped. But, after a few days on treatment - maybe even a couple weeks, the symptoms were going aways.
I have talked to others who had bites - and to those who had bites where their skin in the bite area actually rotted away - and none had the symptoms you describe..I don't even think it's related...I'd go to another MD or holistic person...fast!
fyi: I don't live in a high brown spider area - but happened to talk to a few people who knew of others who had experiences with them. The rotting flesh person is across the U.S from me.
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