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Hi,
I have a problem with bladder problems. Antibiotics only seem to work temporarily, and while cranberry supplements help a lot, the problem seems to return once I stop taking them.
What can i do to finally resolve this problem, and what, moreover, is the root problem? Is this a general immunity problem?
Thanks
In Reply to: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Melissa on December 12, 2002 at 01:03:20:
do you do cranberry juice. They are saying
that the Red Pigment is what stops bacteria
from adhering to the lining. I used cayenne
pepper for some kind of UTI after I read that
CBerry juice could take 30 days to resolve it
and I Wasn't going to wait That long. In
3 days it was gone. I still took the CBerry
but would mix the 2 at times. Made it taste
like 190 proof alcohol but I am familar with
that and a small price to pay for the fast
relief.
I didn't think that the pepper would go
through my bladder so boiled it in water with
salt that I take the cayenne with and when
the water turned red I figured it might get
there.
In Reply to: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Melissa on December 12, 2002 at 01:03:20:
Hi Melissa,
It sounds like you haven't gotten rid of the first infection and are subsequently being re-infected after a short period of time off the antibiotics. You should investigate the bracing and interstitial cystitis archives. I'm not saying that you have IC (and I hope you don't), but the same bracing mechanism that contributes to IC is likely contributing to why you can't clear this infection in the longterm.
While you work on bracing issues, there is a really good product that I think can help you get rid of this infection in the meanwhile. It's called D-mannose. D-mannose is a simple sugar that passes unmetabolized into the urinary tract. The neat thing about it is that e-coli bacteria will attach to the mannose (rather than your bladder wall) and are excreted when you urinate. So essentially, when taking this, you are flushing the e-coli out of your bladder. Note that this only works in instances of e-coli infection, which are supposedly 90 percent of the bladder infections. I've posted a link below where you can buy d-mannose and read more about it. I've used it successfully to treat a full-blown bladder infection (in place of antibiotics).
I also had recurrent bladder infections every couple of months for a number of years. A couple of years ago I developed IC. Using Dr. Stoll's protocol in conjunction with a number of other things, I'm almost completely healed from that.
Take care,
Daisy
In Reply to: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Melissa on December 12, 2002 at 01:03:20:
Hi, Melissa.
I would need to see the actual lab report of a few representative urinalyses. Listen to Daisy since this is the most likely scenario. If Vince's solution does not work, let's get busy.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Walt Stoll on December 14, 2002 at 07:47:22:
Thanks to everyone for the advice. I have had a bacterial culture done, but unfortunately, my doctor did not tell me for sure that it was e coli. All I know is that I do not have interstitial cystitis, since bacteria is present. I decided to go ahead and order the D Mannose caplets, so hopefully that will work out. I'm crossing my fingers. Thanks again to everyone for their advice.
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Melissa on December 14, 2002 at 13:33:33:
Melissa.
You need to keep copies of your urinalysis reports in your files at home. ALL labs give the doc at least 3 copies so the patient can have one with no cost to the doc. If you do not keep a copy he just throws the extra copies away.
Just because you have bacteria is no guarantee that recurrent problems are not based in IC.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Walt Stoll on December 15, 2002 at 09:09:18:
Really? That comes as a surprise. Everywhere that I have read so far says that if bacteria is present, it is NOT IC. Of course, this is coming from western physicians who also say that the cause is unknown. So, if that is not the case, how do I know if I do or do not have IC? Is it just based on whether it goes away or not with D-Mannose? Or is there some kind of test that can be preformed? Or is diagnosis bases solely on the symptoms? If IC IS what I have, the way to heal myself is through SR?
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Walt Stoll on December 15, 2002 at 09:09:18:
Tell me what you think. I found it on the National Kidney and Urologic Diseases information clearing house. The address is: http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/urolog/pubs/cystitis/cystitis.htm#1 On point in interest is the following:
"Some of the symptoms of IC resemble those of bacterial infection, but medical tests reveal no organisms in the urine of patients with IC. Furthermore, patients with IC do not respond to antibiotic therapy. Researchers are working to understand the causes of IC and to find effective treatments.
One theory being studied is that IC is an autoimmune response following a bladder infection. Another theory is that a bacterium may be present in bladder cells but not detectable through routine urine tests. Some scientists have suggested that certain substances in urine may be irritating to people with IC, but no substance unique to people with IC has as yet been isolated. Researchers are beginning to explore the possibility that heredity may play a part in some forms of IC. In a few cases, IC has affected a mother and a daughter or two sisters, but it does not commonly run in families. No gene has yet been implicated as a cause. "
What do you think is the case, Dr. Stoll?
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Walt Stoll on December 15, 2002 at 09:09:18:
How do I know that I not have any of these disorders?
Urethritis may be either an inflammation or an infection of the urethra. When infection is present in the urethra, the condition often is due to bacteria passed by sexual contact.
Interstitial cystitis is a bladder irritation found mainly in adult women; its cause is not known.
Urinary stones sometimes develop in the bladder, irritating it and causing symptoms similar to those of a urinary tract infection. On occasion, the stones have bacteria inside that trigger hard-to-cure infections.
Bladder tumors (cancerous or noncancerous growths), when present, may irritate the bladder. The symptoms often include a frequent need to urinate and possibly blood in the urine.
I have had blood in my urine and all that. All the syptoms of these disorders seem to be the same! How do I know?
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Walt Stoll on December 15, 2002 at 09:09:18:
Hi Melissa,
I think that Dr. Stoll is referring to how bracing in the pelvic floor leads to incomplete emptying of the bladder. When the bladder isn't emptied completely, bacteria that enter the bladder through the urethra are allowed to stay in the bladder longer than they should be. As a result, their numbers can increase and a bladder infection can occur. Thus, bracing is one reason why women get repeat bladder infections.
If you naturally brace in the pelvic floor, but you aren't doing anything to fix the fact that you do, then the degree to which you brace in this area may increase over time. As the bracing becomes more intensified, it may lead the the common symptoms of IC, which mimic those of a bladder infection since the bladder is irritated/inflamed with IC, as it is in a bladder infection.
When I first developed IC, it followed a couple of years of repeat bladder infections. At the time I developed it, I had no idea what this "bracing" stuff was, but I remember that when I got severely anxious about something, the muscles in that area would suddenly lock up tightly(physical therapists refer to this as a pelvic headache). Over time and with a lot of physical therapy and SR, I've come to realize how much I tend to store stress in this area. And, at the same time, I've been able to resolve this problem to a large degree. That being said, in my case IC also had a bacterial component that I had to resolve in addition to the bracing. I think that this part was left over from the recurring infections and frequent use of antibiotics. This part was a lot harder to resolve by myself.
Anyway, I think I've rambled on long enough : ) Hope this helps to answer some of your questions.
Take care,
Daisy
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Daisy on December 15, 2002 at 21:52:49:
That was quite helpful indeed! I think I see what I need to do now. I need to get rid of the bacteria in the long term, and begin practicing SR for long term prevention. Thank you very much for your input. =)
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Melissa on December 15, 2002 at 17:23:27:
Thanks, Melissa.
Pathogenic bacteria are opportunists. That is why IC promotes the growth of them. All that means is that the pathogenic bacteria are not the main cause--that is WHY this keeps coming back--or does your doc have a better explanation???
If the mannose resolves the problem this was not likely part of the problem since mannose does nothing I know of for IC.
The only resolution of IC, I know of, involves SR.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Something I found posted by Melissa on December 15, 2002 at 17:59:45:
Thanks, Melissa.
I think therapeutic results are what counts until the theoreticians make up their minds. Since SR is the only thing I have seen to cure this--------
Unfortunately accepting bracing as the main contributing cause requires the physician to think outside the box, it could be a long time before they tumble to this. See the Tolstoy Syndrome.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: And Moreover posted by Melissa on December 15, 2002 at 18:13:06:
Melissa.
You should be able to depend upon the physician to decide this FOR you. However, then they admit they have no clue, it is up to you to decide and deal with whatever resolves your condition. The allopathic paradigm has demonstrated that it is incompetent when it comes to chronic conditions and that is what this is.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections posted by Daisy on December 15, 2002 at 21:52:49:
Thanks, Daisy.
Good explanation. See my previous note today about this.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: And Moreover posted by Walt Stoll on December 17, 2002 at 09:02:11:
Thank you so much Dr. Stoll. I know what I have to do now. I still feel rather lost without the direct guidance of a physician, but I suppose it is something I will get used to. I recieved the D-Mannose yesterday. If that doesn't clear up the infection, I can be fairly certain that I have developed IC. And even if it does clear the the infection in the short term, I see that I should begin practicing SR for prevention in the long term. Thanks to everyone for their guidance. Who knows were I would be and what medication I would be on if it wasn't for this site.
In Reply to: Re: Recurring bladder Infections (Archive in bladder.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 17, 2002 at 08:48:18:
Thank you, that helps a lot. I have just one question. The doctor has warned me over and over not to "let these infections go" or else I might get a kidney infection. While trying to treat this myself with D-Mannose and SR, do you think there is a risk of that? I mean, even if I have IC, bacteria may still be present. Would it be possible for that bacteria to spread to my kidneys?
In Reply to: my doctors warning posted by Melissa on December 17, 2002 at 11:14:27:
Hi, Melissa.
What is your white blood cell count in the urine??
Walt
In Reply to: Re: my doctors warning posted by Walt Stoll on December 18, 2002 at 08:13:46:
Unfortunately, I do not know. Should I find out?
In Reply to: Re: my doctors warning posted by Melissa on December 18, 2002 at 16:15:03:
Yes, Melissa.
This tells whether the bacteria means anything.
Walt
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