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Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise

Posted by Johnelle on March 28, 1999 at 17:33:02:

Sara and Trish

Hope you are all doing well this weekend. Sara, I hope this
is a bit of a breather for you, with all the stress you've
had heaped on top of the dieting challenges lately.

I started my Nystatin, GSE and Pepto Bismol treatment
yesterday. I sure have missed my apple slices with almost
butter today. And one of you had said she had to be careful
not to "snort" that Nystatin when it was going into her
mouth. I know what you mean now! I snorted some into my
throat and started coughing from it today. I also made the
mistake of putting too many drops of GSE into a small bit of
water, and now my mouth feels like it's scalded from hot
coffee.
I am trying to get myself organized for a trip a week from
now, and I need to try my hand at making jerky, but it can't
be beef since I'm allergic to it at this point. Can either
of you tell me how you go about doing it? I'll probably use
some turkey thigh, or I might have to go out and find a
buffalo!

Thanks for any help you can give me. Without fruit, I guess
I'll be really challenged with what can become a portable
food for a while. What would I do without NUTS! But they
don't hold me long at all.

Johnelle.............



Re: Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise - and thanks Bob!

Posted by
Sara on March 28, 1999 at 20:10:12:

In Reply to: Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise posted by Johnelle on March 28, 1999 at 17:33:02:

Johnelle,

Wish I could help you with the jerky. I used to have a food dehydrator, but I sold it at a yard sale about four years ago - I sure wish I had held on to it now! I will be anxious to hear of other ways to make jerky, because I sure could use the information now too.

So was your pepto test positive? How did you feel the next morning after taking it? Along with the candida I am also fight off a bacteria (klebsiella), and I just found out that it is gram negative. So, I guess I will probably be taking the pepto bismol for awhile. I think I'll wait until tomorrow night before I start it though, just to be sure that my virus is completely gone.

Remember I told you to make sure you take the GSE with at least 4 oz. of water ;-) That stuff CAN burn if it isn't taken with enough water. I've been sloshing mine around in my mouth (as is recommended with nystatin), and I'm also using the GSE nasal spray (I think it was Bob that had given the receipe for it a few months back). My virus was much improved yesterday evening (I started using the nasal spray yesterday morning), and is pretty much gone today! I can't say for sure, but ....... Thanks Bob for that receipe! I think that finally got rid of my virus! I know the ester-c and everything else was working too, but I think the nasal spray was like the cherry on top!

Sara



Re: Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise - and thanks Bob!

Posted by
Robert McFerran on March 28, 1999 at 22:17:30:

In Reply to: Re: Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise - and thanks Bob! posted by Sara on March 28, 1999 at 20:10:12:

Sara,

I think that anyone fighting candida overload should routinely do the nasal 'douching' with the GSE saline. By putting your head back and then putting it behind your legs and going back and forth a few times you help work some of the saline into the sinuses.

When I used to consult with Ear, Nose and Throat docs I was struck by how many patients could be given long courses of powerful anti-biotics that wouldn't even touch infections locked deep within the sinuses.

When this happened the next step was surgical intervention to basically punch holes in the inflamed tissue so that the sinuses could get some drainage.

We've discussed how bad dental work can harbor persistent infections but little has been said about how the sinuses are a perfect environment for nurturing bacterial as well as fungal micro-organisms.

Bob



Nasal flushing instructions, please

Posted by Johnelle on March 28, 1999 at 23:12:18:

In Reply to: Re: Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise - and thanks Bob! posted by Robert McFerran on March 28, 1999 at 22:17:30:

Sara and Bob

You've lost me -- where in the heck can I find all this info
on flushing your sinuses out with grapefruit seed extract?
I just about lost a friend last weekend who developed a
fierce sinus infection, had some lancing done, ended up in
the hospital with prognosis very serious. He's out now, and
it was a bad strep infection which they said was one step
from the flesh-eating type (??) that didn't respond to the
first antibiotic but did to the second. He needs this!

Johnelle.........



Re: Nasal flushing instructions, please

Posted by
Sara on March 29, 1999 at 11:48:25:

In Reply to: Nasal flushing instructions, please posted by Johnelle on March 28, 1999 at 23:12:18:

Johnelle,

This is from the post that Bob had written back in January:

"Go to the drug store and buy some canned saline solution in the contact lens section. Note -- this is not the stuff in the plastic containers (that has preservatives) but the stuff in the pressurized metal containers which contains NO preservatives (they sterilize the saline inside with gamma irradiation).

Now go to the section where they have the nasal decongestants and find a bottle (usually 1.5 - 2 fluid oz.) of saline nasal spray.

Go home and pull the top off of the nasal spray container and empty the contents (it has preservative in it) and refill with the preservative free saline from the pressurized can. Add ONE drop of the Grapefruit Seed Extract, recap the spray bottle and follow the directions on the spray bottle."

********

I always shake it up good before using it, but don't know if that's really necessary. The stuff really seemed to work against my virus, and I figure any yeast dwelling in my sinuses don't have a chance as long as I use it along with everything else I'm doing to fight off the yeast.

Sara




Re: Nasal flushing instructions (please Archive under sinusitis)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1999 at 12:26:46:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal flushing instructions, please posted by Sara on March 29, 1999 at 11:48:25:

Dear nasal douchers.

Here are MY instructions for the procedure. This is what we were taught in medical school; as much to demonstrate the mechanical physiology & anatomy of the area as for its effectiveness (I NOW believe.).

Mix 1/4 tsp of salt in a cup of warm water. These proportions are critical! Put in the GSE, or whatever else you might be using, in the proportions recommended.

Be sure you have a "baby snot bulb syringe" at hand. Fill the snot bulb full of the solution. THEN lie down on a bed with your head hanging PERFECTLY upside-down over the edge. Fill one, or both nostrils full of the solution with the syringe (they are only divided for an inch or so before they become a common channel). Roll your head a little toward the side you are most interested in and hold your nose (both nostrils) closed. Say the letter "K" over & over for as long as you want to get sruff into the sinuses. Then sit up & spit out whatever you have left over. This can be repeated as often as you desire.

Happy flushing!

Walt



Nasal douching; talking to God; the pragmatic basis of metabolic types

Posted by
Mike Kramer on March 29, 1999 at 12:42:10:

In Reply to: Nasal flushing instructions, please posted by Johnelle on March 28, 1999 at 23:12:18:

Johnelle:

I am not Bob, nor do I play him on TV . . .

But, here is what I do. I am sure Bob can offer a variation.

Each morning I get up and let the cold water tap for a while to clear the lead out of the pipes in my 5th floor apartment. Then I put my glass teapot on the gas burner, low. Then I shower and and shave. I return to the kitchen and turn the gas up high. I turn on the radio and do a few seconds of stretching and Chi Kung and futz around in the kitchen. By then the teapot is whistling. I turn it off and use the water to sterilize a teacup. I then fill the cup with the boiled water.

Into the cup I stir 1/4 cup of (relatively) cheap sea salt (I save the damp, gray, imported stuff for putting on my food). I also stir in 2 drops of grapefruit seed extract.

I then put the cup in my freezer and do SR for 20 minutes. I return to the kitchen and take the cup out of the freezer. The water is usually a nice temperature. Now comes the fun.

I hold the cup under my nose with one hand and use the index finger of the other hand to press the side of one of my nostrils. I then inhale the saline/GSE up the unblocked nostril. I keep inhaling until I feel it coming down the back of my throat. I then spit it out. Then do the other nostril. Keep alternating until the water's used up or you feel good and clear.

Note: Rome did not fall in a day, and neither will your resistance to inhaling saline. I first you might gag and choke. Don't worry, the worst that could happen is that you swallow a little saltwater and GSE (you're swallowing your own mucus all the time). After a few tries this will become an effortless and rather pleasant pastime.

I think I started this when I first read about it in a book called The Yeast Syndrome by Walker and Trowbridge. My sinus infections still continued for many years. (I didn't do the GSE part until a few months ago, though.) I basically stopped doing these nasal douches until this winter. Then there was a flurry of news about some research showing that saline douches significantly lowered the incidence of colds.

I have improved my sinus conditions immeasurably by being treated for free by a healer over the phone. She told me to stand back to a wall, heels a few inches away. Put my hands over my head, fingers up and palms to the wall. Lower my hands, keeping them against the wall. When I have a good stretch hold it and count slowly to 10. To my utter amazement, this worked. I still do it daily. Actually, I don't bother sliding my hands down the wall, I just move straight into the stretch, and a count to 20 for good measure.

By the way, my sinus infections were diagnosed as severe pansinusitis through x-rays. Nothing had ever given me any relief--neither conventional nor alternative medicine.

Ever since I have developed a healthy scepticism to cures provided by those who stand to profit from them. That's one reason I value this board so highly.

By the way, the healer who helped me had a deeply religious approach. I am not a religious person. I don't believe that she healed me by talking to God, although that is what she believes. I don't claim to understand what she did. But I don't believe that she understood what she did either. I think that MDs can help people in ways that they don't understand as well. At the end of the day I have moved a long distance towards pragmatism when it comes to medicine: the truth is what works.

Medicine shows me again and again that if you get hung up on theoretical principles and a priori commitments you're doomed to failure. Everyone wants to tell me that eating tons of meat and nothing else but a tiny bit of vegetables is bad for me. But I can tell that it makes me feel much better than anything else I've done.

Bob's diets have been criticized as not being true "types." Essentially the criticism is that they do not have sufficient theorectical garb to be justified. Bob's types can't currently be independently verified, so there is the implicit charge of circularity. If the H-G diet works for you then you are an H-G.

The same criticism could be hurled at Darwin. If a species changes then there was sufficient environmental pressure to cause a change. Darwin had no way to determine what "sufficient environmental pressure" was except to observe species change. Bob can actually determine H-G types independent of whether the diet works; he can measure your venous blood plasma pH. But even if that were, in principle, unavailable, I would argue that he has an important contribution to make (if his contribution works).

Of course, at the end of the day, once we know something works we can't help but try to construct a theory to explain it. And I would be the first to support such an endeavor. But I will also be the first to admonish us not to allow such a theoretical framework to become a structure blinding us to further advances.

Just clearing my head,
Mike



Thanks, all -- FAR OUT!

Posted by Johnelle on March 29, 1999 at 15:30:02:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal flushing instructions (please Archive under sinusitis) posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1999 at 12:26:46:

Thanks, Mike, Sara and Walt

It's like when I used to be a court reporter, all the
witnesses saw what happened but they have different versions
to tell. You've all given me good choices of how to do this
nasal deal. It seems the more far out I go with my various
treatments, the healthier I get. ;o)

Love it, "Dear nasal douchers". I was going to call it
nasal douching, but I realized I didn't know how to spell
"douch", that's why I called it flushing, which sounded
equally undignified. I wonder if the Queen of England does
stuff like this to stay well -- ha!

I wonder if everyone will get the chuckle out of this thread
that I did. If you did, just put "Chuckle -- NMI", okay?

Johnelle..............



Some jerky instructions

Posted by
trish on March 29, 1999 at 15:54:08:

In Reply to: Need jerky instructions, Sara/Trish/Denise posted by Johnelle on March 28, 1999 at 17:33:02:

They'll probably be jerkier than I mean them to be!!!

By now, you know I cook "by the seat of my pants" and just eat whatever happens.. ~ :-O

I have done this with beef only... flank steak or brisket (I of course like the fattier [and cheaper] brisket). It's best if it's slightly frozen - makes it much easier to cut.

With a really sharp knife, cut the meat into very thin strips. I cut WITH the grain to keep the jerky chewier. If you cut AGAINST the grain, it's supposed to be a bit crispier.

With turkey thigh, you'll have to try to cut the meat off the bone first, then put just the meat in the freezer for a bit to firm it up.

I usually marinade it in Braggs liquid amino acids (Bob, Walt - I don't suppose this is a whole food, but it's not fermented and made of soy) OR you could use any appopriate salty stuff - tamari or soy sauce that's appropriate for your diet. You could even try making a brine with a lot of salt and some water, or maybe rub the meat with salt. I would marinade at least overnight. I've kept it for 2 days before, when I just ran out of time to cook it!

I also use some other seasoning that I sprinkle on right before I dry it - garlic powder or pepper (black or cayenne) perhaps an herb of some sort that's okay for you to eat - experiment here - the amounts are all to taste and it took me awhile to figure our around how much of a given seasoning to use. Remember that whatever you choose, it will become more concentrated after you dry the meat. I've used ginger, sesame seed, curry and tabasco sauce in the past - sometimes different different seasonings in the same batch. You can even leave some "plain."

Take the strips of meat and lay them on the rack in your largest broiler pan. They should be in a single layer. I don't have one big enough, so I use the grill to my outdoor barbeque and lay the strips of meat on it, and just plop it on the top rack in the oven. I then line the entire bottom of the stove with foil to catch the drippings. I set the oven for around 175-200 (usually lower is better, you don't want to COOK the meat, just dry it) and leave the door open a couple of inches (the first increment it will stay open) and cook it for at least a couple of hours. I just grab strips off to test for doneness - thereby eating half of my batch before it even leaves the oven!

The dogs love this. (euphamism for "it drives them crazy")

I don't usually refrigerate it, just wrap it in paper towels then loosely in foil. I like it sort of chewy, and not all the way dried. Well, I discovered if I wrap it air tight in plastic, the moisture makes it soggy.

Sorry this is so disjointed - let me know if you have any questions. Good luck, Johnelle - let us know how it goes!

trish



Chuckle

Posted by
Denise Wyrick on March 29, 1999 at 21:15:59:

In Reply to: Thanks, all -- FAR OUT! posted by Johnelle on March 29, 1999 at 15:30:02:

Hi all, This H-G girl just got home from her first 2 day outing away from home after commencing the e-diet. I managed to stay 100% compliant to the diet, and not starve :-) I packed large quantities of food so I wouldn't get into trouble.

I am not ready to do the nose thing just yet though...but I must admit I smiled as I read this thread. Happy snorting Johnelle!

Namaste,
Denise



Re: Some jerky instructions

Posted by Johnelle on March 29, 1999 at 21:25:34:

In Reply to: Some jerky instructions posted by trish on March 29, 1999 at 15:54:08:

Thanks, Trish

I knew there was one of you that would come through for me!
I hope I will actually go through with this. I should be
able to travel without refrigerating this then, right?

Johnelle..........





Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 1999 at 10:48:53:

In Reply to: Nasal douching; talking to God; the pragmatic basis of metabolic types posted by Mike Kramer on March 29, 1999 at 12:42:10:

Hi, Mike.

How big is your tea kettle? OR, if I am reading this correctly, you are actually putting 1/4 cup of salt in only ONE cup of water? That would be classified as "brine" and not the normal saline required for benefit. You need 1/4 TEASPOON/cup: not 1/4 CUP/cup.

The reason I said that the ratio of salt to water is CRITICAL is because it IS. It must be "normal saline". That means the exact concentration of salt as is in the blood.

More salt will cause irritation (and thus continue the problem). Less salt will cause swelling (and thus continue the problem). This is based on some immutable laws of physics.

I have seen hundreds of people who had chronic upper respiratory problems BECAUSE they were gargling (or nasal douching) with the wrong % of salt in their water.

Walt



Re: Thanks, all -- FAR OUT! (Nasal Douche)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 1999 at 11:02:06:

In Reply to: Thanks, all -- FAR OUT! posted by Johnelle on March 29, 1999 at 15:30:02:

HI, Johnelle.

Nasal Douching IS the medical term for this procedure. I never thought twice before using it.

I can see how it might give people a chuckle and am happy to give a chuckle any way I can.

Namaste` Walt



I never had to refrigerate my beef jerky.

Posted by
trish on March 30, 1999 at 11:14:51:

In Reply to: Re: Some jerky instructions posted by Johnelle on March 29, 1999 at 21:25:34:

Don't see why you'd have to refrigerate the turkey. Let me know how it goes. I've even seen different fish jerky in the stores! (No heads involved!)

trish



Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!)

Posted by Mike Kramer on March 30, 1999 at 12:19:39:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 1999 at 10:48:53:

Walt:
Sorry for any confusion. I use 1/4 teaspoon seasalt to 1 cup of water.

Thanks for clarifying this.

Mike



More douching

Posted by Johnelle on March 30, 1999 at 15:10:48:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks, all -- FAR OUT! (Nasal Douche) posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 1999 at 11:02:06:

Well, now, everyone, to carry the practice out to every
other crevice in the human body, do I need to consider ear
douching, vaginal douching, anal douching? I'm not trying
to be cute, but it is humorous, what we're getting to, you
know, uh, but I really do want the truth, because I want to
leave no stone unturned, or whatever ... chuckle! It's
going to take me a few days of pondering this whole
procedure before I start the nose deal, but I'm sure, like
all the other procedures Walt has recommended, this too will
come, because everything else has worked.

Just checking :o)

Johnelle............



Re: More douching - well, since you asked....

Posted by
Sara on March 30, 1999 at 15:24:29:

In Reply to: More douching posted by Johnelle on March 30, 1999 at 15:10:48:

Johnelle,

If you happen to get a vaginal yeast infection, I have a receipe for a vaginal douche that uses GSE. You have to have a douche bag (you don't need the big, industrial strength kind that my mother had, which also doubled as an enema bag [the woman was REAL big on enemas]), just a small one that can hold 16 oz. of fluid.

Get some distilled water (room temperature), and measure out 16 oz. into a CLEAN jar or container with a top (so you can cap it and shake it). Then add 16 drops of GSE. Put the cap on the container and shake up the solution. Now, pour it into the douche bag, and, uh, well... YOU know.

Sara



From jerky to douche

Posted by
Sara on March 30, 1999 at 15:30:04:

In Reply to: Thanks, all -- FAR OUT! posted by Johnelle on March 29, 1999 at 15:30:02:

Hey all....

Has anyone else noticed that this discussion string originally started out about jerky, and now we're talking about douching! Hope anyone new to this BB takes the time to investigate - or at the very least, I hope they get a good laugh out of it all!

Sara



Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 1999 at 14:39:34:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) posted by Mike Kramer on March 30, 1999 at 12:19:39:

Thanks, Mike.

WHEW!

Walt



Re: More douching - well, since you asked.... HOW TO DOUCHE VAGINALLY?! archive

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 1999 at 14:58:42:

In Reply to: Re: More douching - well, since you asked.... posted by Sara on March 30, 1999 at 15:24:29:

Hi, Sara.

Glad you brought this up.

I would like to use this opportunity to get people thinking about an EFFECTIVE vaginal douche.

First of all, if anyone looks at an anatomical atlas of the vagina, they will notice that the vagina is a COLLAPSED TUBE FILLED WITH VERY DEEP WRINKLES. It is at the bottom of these wrinkles that the entire ecology of the vagina takes place.

SO, how does one get whatever is being done to the bottom of the crevasses? The vagina has to be literally blown up until there are no more wrinkles. How does one do that? Either use a fire hose (grin) OR, the person has to nearly stand on their head while douching and let gravity do it.

If the person has pelvic muscle tension, forget it. The individual has to be able to relax the muscles (give in to the douche) while sealing the lips of the vagina around the syringe & squeezing the syringe hard. That means that the syringe has to be as close to a quart as one can find. It takes more than a pint to distend the vagina in any useful way! Less will not be enough to distend the vagina EVEN IF the person can avoid leakage around the syringe AND can relax the muscles.

Your mother's syringe was exactly what really worked. The today syringes practically guarantee that the poor woman will have recurrence after recurrences. Is it any wonder why most physicians are too lazy to teach???

This is why all knowledgable physicians recommend doing the douche lying down in the bathtub with rolled up towels under the hips. If one only has a shower, the helpful physician will have a detailed handout as to how to build a special platform that fits inside & outside the shower so one can lie down with the bottom half of the person outside & the business end inside.

This is why all the syringes before 1960 had a "shield" that could be slid over the nozzle so that it would help seal the vaginal outlet & increase the pressure.

THEN, physicians got lazy about explaining and just ordered prescription stuff to temporarily treat any condition. Now, it is almost impossible to get one WITH a shield.

Understanding how to "plant" the acidophilus at the bottoms of the creases is the only effective way I know to actually change the vaginal ecology toward healthy prevention of pathogens growing there. One tablespoon of distilled vinegar/quart is the right acidity to match a healthy vaginal secretion.

Walt



Re: Inventor??

Posted by Phyllis A. on March 31, 1999 at 15:53:01:

In Reply to: Re: More douching - well, since you asked.... HOW TO DOUCHE VAGINALLY?! archive posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 1999 at 14:58:42:

AMA can't keep you from being an inventor can they? You might want to consider designing the appropriate device...might be a way to roll-in the millions you so DESERVE (I didn't say desire, 'cause I know that is not what matters to you). Millions.....gee, we might get our fancy-dancy search engine after all!!

Fire-hose, heh? How about a jacuzzi jet....that ought to do the trick. I always tell folks my jacuzzi has 3 settings (Low, Medium, and Who Needs A Man)! How much vinegar in a large tub full of water? Wow, douching might actually become FUN! I didn't know that blowing it up was to be the practice....but as always, it makes so much sense that I think....now why didn't I already figure that out.



Re: HOW TO DOUCHE VAGINALLY?! (just when you thought you knew everything)

Posted by
Sara on March 31, 1999 at 16:29:32:

In Reply to: Re: More douching - well, since you asked.... HOW TO DOUCHE VAGINALLY?! archive posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 1999 at 14:58:42:

Walt,

Thanks for the detailed explanation; I really didn't know there was an actual "procedure" for douching, but then no doctor ever told me either.

I guess my mother gets one point for having the correct apparatus, but I personally like Phyllis' jacuzzi idea better ;-)

Sara



Re: Inventor??

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 01, 1999 at 09:53:46:

In Reply to: Re: Inventor?? posted by Phyllis A. on March 31, 1999 at 15:53:01:

Thanks, Phyllis, for the kind words & thoughts.

The syringe has already been invented and is what was used, exclusively, for several hundred years. It was just forced off the market because physicians were too lazy to teach. AND, there was a lot more money to be made prescribing stuff, over & over, than there was in explaining how & why to use the apparatus to the patient.

By the way, the Jacuzzi approach might work for more than fun IF one could be sure that the tub was filled with non-contaminated water. One would have to use one tablespoon/quart and the whole tub would have to be changed each time.

Walt



Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) How about using a water pic?

Posted by Nancy on April 08, 1999 at 22:05:17:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) posted by Mike Kramer on March 30, 1999 at 12:19:39:

Walt

My ENT taught me to rinse my sinuses with a water pic and special nasal attachment. You mix 1/2 tsp of salt and 1/2 tsp of baking soda to the water pic container. Put 1/2 of the solution up one nostril, then the other 1/2 up the other nostril. When I used to get infections, this procedure could often prevent the "need" for antibiotics. It was used for post surgery, too.

Nancy



Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) How about using a water pic?

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 09, 1999 at 13:01:20:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) How about using a water pic? posted by Nancy on April 08, 1999 at 22:05:17:

Hi, Nancy.

I am VERY impressed that any ENT could teach anyone how to cannulate the sinus ostia without damaging the ostia.

Can you describe how this was possible?

Walt



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment

Posted by
RocketHealer Jim++ on April 09, 1999 at 15:50:00:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching (Don't miss the point about the salt concentration!) How about using a water pic? posted by Walt Stoll on April 09, 1999 at 13:01:20:

Not sure I understood your question. But I'll take a crack at the "secret" anyway.

She mentioned using an attachment for her Water Pik, probably the GROSSAN SINUS IRRIGATOR TIP, link below. Available at lots of drug stores, or by mail order. About $17.00 Cheap! considering what it's worth if it works.

Before use, you: "Turn on and adjust the pressure so that if you point the irrigator stright up in the air, the stream is about one inch high."

At such a low pressure, I assume it would be tough to blow out any part of one's brains, or other stuff up there :-)

I notice that they also offer an ear irrigator, but they sell it to health professionals only. Wonder why? :-)

If I misunderstood your question, sorry.
RocketHealer Jim++



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim

Posted by Nancy on April 12, 1999 at 23:23:00:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on April 09, 1999 at 15:50:00:

Jim & Walt

Yes, this is very similar to my irrigator. I was wrong about the amount of salt/soda. It is 1 tsp, not 1/2. Mine has a plain white tip on a metal wand. My ENT just gave them to me, so I don't know how much his cost. I started using them about 8-9 years ago, and I don't think I've blown my brains out yet (or was that what that fibromyalgia "brain fog" was from?). I haven't needed to use it more than 3-4 times in the last year, though.

I didn't understand all the "tech" language that you used in your post, Walt. I take it that you were teasing about being impressed. I'm kind of fond of my ENT. He's not so bad for an MD, is open to alternative practices, etc. He even told me to put Nystatin in the water when I was taking anti-biotics post surgery and prescribed oral Nystatin to prevent yeast infection as well. The best part is that I haven't had to see him at all since I started reading this BB and attempting to follow the protocol here!

Nancy



Your WONDERFUL Doctor worked himself out of a job with Patient Training!?

Posted by
RocketHealer Jim++ on April 13, 1999 at 07:48:00:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Nancy on April 12, 1999 at 23:23:00:

This is slightly tongue-in-cheek. But remember what Walt is always saying about doctors treating symptoms instead of addressing undelying causes or doing patient education:

Your wonderful ENT! He shared so much with you and then.....You went away and left him without continuing income. That'll teach him to invest in Patient Training. :-)



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 13, 1999 at 13:24:23:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Nancy on April 12, 1999 at 23:23:00:

Hi, Nancy.

I WASN"T teasing. I know how hard it is to get a cannula into the sinus ostia; let alone without damaging the very delicate tissues that line the ostia.

My guess (without knowiing anything about the cannula you mentioned, is that you are changing the pressure inside the nasal passage & not actually cannulating the ostia at all.

Can you enlighten me at all?

Walt



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim

Posted by Nancy on April 13, 1999 at 20:54:24:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Walt Stoll on April 13, 1999 at 13:24:23:

Walt

What exactly is the sinus ostia? It's like Jim described in using the irrigator, the pressure is very much reduced from what you would use to water pick your teeth. When you insert the irrigator in the left nostril, water comes out the right one, along with any infection that is low enough in the sinuses to come out. I don't think it gets way up between your eyes. The soda is added to buffer the salt and keep it from burning your nasal passages, I think.

My irrigator (canula?) looks slightly different from the one in the picture on the web site. It's got a metal want that fits into the tube of the water pic. The end you stick in your nose is white, molded plastic,tapered on the nose end, about 3/4 inches long.

Are you saying that this could be a dangerous thing? I've used it an awful lot over the last several years, but seldom need it anymore. If you have any friends that are ENT's, they may be able to explain it much better than I can.

Please let me know if you think I should cease using it.

Nancy



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 14, 1999 at 14:12:58:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Nancy on April 13, 1999 at 20:54:24:

Hi, Nancy.

From what you are describing, you are only changing the nasal pressures. Changing positions will do some good without risk.

The soda cannot change the need for normal saline concentrations.

If you continue doing what you have been doing, I would not worry about hurting yourself. You are not cannulating the ostia (openings to the sinuses). The only thing I would change is the concentration of salt.

Walt



Re: From jerky to douche

Posted by Bill on April 14, 1999 at 18:23:56:

In Reply to: From jerky to douche posted by Sara on March 30, 1999 at 15:30:04:

not to mention the fun I'll have figuring out where to archive it...

Bill



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim OK, Walt. Thanks. WILL DO (nmi)

Posted by Nancy on April 14, 1999 at 19:15:29:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Walt Stoll on April 14, 1999 at 14:12:58:





Re: Sometimes we plan it this way just to make your life more interesting, Bill! (nmi)

Posted by
Sara on April 14, 1999 at 21:33:36:

In Reply to: Re: From jerky to douche posted by Bill on April 14, 1999 at 18:23:56:

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Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim

Posted by
Susan Wilkey on October 29, 1999 at 19:06:46:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Nancy on April 13, 1999 at 20:54:24:

Just finished a yoga class. A nasal irrigator was suggested called a Nety.
Any information on this product?
I'm VERY interested in purchasing.
We are all in Victoria, BC.



Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 30, 1999 at 11:14:16:

In Reply to: Re: Nasal douching - Grossman Nasal Irrigator Attachment ATT Walt & Jim posted by Susan Wilkey on October 29, 1999 at 19:06:46:

Hi, Susan.

A good nasal irrigator CAN help (especially if it is designed to create positive and negative pressure to irrigate the sinuses as well). Be sure to use the normal saline formula!

In your climate, by far the best investment (saving heating money AND preventing viral and allergic problems of the upper tract) is a whole house humidifier. See the cold article on the homepage.

Walt



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