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Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 22, 1998 at 12:39:43:

Dear Bob,

You would be very interested in this week's "Science News" article on page 180--"Immigrants Go From Health to Worse" (September 12th, 1998 Science news, Volume 154).

Let us know what you think. From what you know, perhaps a letter to the editor?

I am sure that your local library has their copy already available.

Namaste` Walt


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Posted by Robert McFerran on September 22, 1998 at 15:13:43:

In Reply to: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE) posted by Walt Stoll on September 22, 1998 at 12:39:43:

Walt,

Fuel indeed. It strikes me that this is very similar to the Pottenger Cat studies only on a human scale. Everything in the report is as Dr. Pottenger would have predicted.

Obviously there is a need by the psychiatric profession to lay mental disorders at the feet of socio-graphics rather than to look at something as simple as nutrition. I would REALLY like to see what happened to the sperm counts of young males in the various groups. That seems to be a pretty good way of quantifying a decline in health.

It IS dangerous for healthy outsiders to become 'Americanized'..........

Here is the text of the article is anyone is interested.

Bob

Immigrants Go from Health to Worse

By B. Bower

People from around the world flock to the United States expecting to find a better life. But to
scientists' surprise, a growing body of evidence indicates that increasing familiarity with U.S.
culture and society renders immigrants and their children far more susceptible to many mental and
physical ailments, even if they attain financial success.

The latest study of this phenomenon, directed by epidemiologist William A. Vega of the University
of Texas, San Antonio finds much higher rates of major depression, substance abuse, and other
mental disorders in U.S.­born Mexican-Americans compared with both recent and long-standing
Mexican-American immigrants. This pattern held regardless of education or income levels.

Vega's results, published in the September Archives of General Psychiatry, appear at the same
time as the release of a national report on declining physical and mental health in children of
immigrant families. A panel convened by the National Research Council and the Institute of
Medicine, both in Washington, D.C., reviewed previous studies and concluded that assimilation
into a U.S. lifestyle may undermine the overall health of immigrant children much more than being
poor does.

In contrast, studies of nonimmigrant U.S. residents usually link poverty to poor physical and mental
health.

"The material on immigrant health shocked me when we first reviewed it," says panel member
Arthur M. Kleinman, a psychiatrist and anthropologist at Harvard Medical School in Boston.
"Vega's study is consistent with the panel's conclusion that immigrants' health deteriorates with
assimilation to U.S. society," declining toward general U.S. norms, says Kleinman. Other studies
have indicated that citizens of many countries, including Mexico, are healthier overall than U.S.
citizens.

Vega's team interviewed 3,012 adults of Mexican origin, ages 18 to 59, living in Fresno County,
Calif. Of that number, 1,810 people identified themselves as immigrants. Interviews were in English
or Spanish. Interviewers expressed an interest in health issues only and tried to minimize any
tendency of participants to lie—due to U.S. residency concerns—about having immigrated.

Nearly one-half of U.S.­born Mexican-Americans had suffered from at least one of 12 psychiatric
disorders at some time in their lives, compared with only one-quarter of the immigrants. Common
mental conditions in U.S.­born individuals included major depression, phobias and other anxiety
disorders, and substance abuse and dependence.

Prevalence rates for mental disorders were lowest for those who had immigrated within the past 13
years. The higher rates found among immigrants of 13 or more years still fell considerably below
those for the native-born group.

Immigrants may constitute a hardy group willing to carve out new lives in a foreign land. However,
immigrants in Vega's study showed mental-disorder rates similar to those of Mexico City
residents.

A related study of 1,500 public health care users in California, conducted by psychiatrist Javier I.
Escobar of the RWJ Medical School in Piscataway, N.J., reports lower rates of depression and
post-tra


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Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE)

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 23, 1998 at 10:31:18:

In Reply to: Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE) posted by Robert McFerran on September 22, 1998 at 15:13:43:

Hi, Bob.

How did you do that? Did you type out the whole thing or did you use a scanner?

Namaste` Walt



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Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE)

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 23, 1998 at 13:41:47:

In Reply to: Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE) posted by Walt Stoll on September 23, 1998 at 10:31:18:

Walt,

You give me way too much credit. I've been to the magazine's web site before and was fortunate enough to find that article in their archive. The address is : http://www.sciencenews.org/

I think that I use the Microsoft Windows highlight, cut and then paste options more than anyone that I know!

Thanks again for the heads up on the article.

lazy Bob


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Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE)

Posted by BJSO on October 08, 1998 at 08:18:04:

In Reply to: Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE) posted by Robert McFerran on September 23, 1998 at 13:41:47:


I understand that you are an expert in the weight loss area. I need to lose 100 pounds. I was thin all of my life until I carried twins. I was 36 when I had my twins, that was 14 years ago. I really need to get the weight off and feel like a real person again. I have done all of the diet things. Weight watchers, Physicians wt loss, Slim Fast, Cabbage soup ( this worked, but I stopped for the weekend and never got started again). I have controlled high blood pressure. A few days ago, I started having symptoms of approaching stroke. Will someone tie me to a tred mill and wire my mouth shut?


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Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE)

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 08, 1998 at 14:16:30:

In Reply to: Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE) posted by BJSO on October 08, 1998 at 08:18:04:

Auntie,

I am not an expert in the weight loss area.

I have found that once those that have found their 'best' diet tend to have their weight normalize. For some it will go up and for others it will go down.

Bob


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Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 1998 at 10:53:55:

In Reply to: Re: Bob McFerran (MORE FUEL FOR YOUR FIRE) posted by Robert McFerran on October 08, 1998 at 14:16:30:

Hey, Bob.

I think you are being too modest. Healthy people are not fat. The dietary stuff you have been working with goes a long way toward promoting health for that individual. For someone who has "tried everything else" (including the cabbage diet, etc.) you have a lot to offer just by doing what you have for so many others right here on this BB.

Once the best diet for that person is found, overweight people lose weight and underweight people gain it. In other words, they get healthier.

Keep up the good work. Walt




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