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Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Lori Reid on September 23, 1998 at 12:39:21:

Hi Bob,

The test results are finally here and its not what we expected. All results are in the normal range.

Candida Immune Complexes are 0.50 (normal between 0.10 - 0.90)
Candida IgG Antibodies are 1.00 (normal 0.00-10.00)
Candida IgA Antibodies are 3.00 (normal 0.00-10.00)
Candida IgM Antibodies are 7.00 (normal 0.00-10.00)

This really surprises me, but then, the latest thing that I have been looking at in my life (co-dependency) may also explain some of my problems. Here's what I mean. I was unaware of how angry I am at my husband and others until I started to look at the co-dependency/alcoholism issue. I grew up in a family where it was very inappropriate for anyone except the father (and especially for females) to express their anger. Looking at this issue has made me realize how angry and hurt I've been in both my relationship with my father and my husband. In one of my Reiki books, one of the reasons for a woman to manifest yeast infections is being hurt by their partner. I believe that this may explain some of what's going on with me.

Now that may have been way more than you ever wanted to know about me, but I feel that I am making progress even if the candida turned out not to be the answer I was looking for. In fact I feel that it is good news (don't have to take those expensive drugs and be as limited on my food choices). On the other hand, my husband will have more fuel for his fire (the one that says you were wrong again, therefore you can't possibly be right about any of this stuff).

Thanks for all your help and wisdom!

Lori


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Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Robert McFeran on September 23, 1998 at 14:23:01:

In Reply to: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Lori Reid on September 23, 1998 at 12:39:21:

Lori,

Woaahhhh, who told you that you were done after testing for candida?? You've successfully done the elimination diet, metabolic diet, and have now tested for candida. There are still a couple of corners that we have to peer into! I apologize if I ever suggested that your rheumatoid arthritis was caused by candida.

About 85% of folks with rheumatoid arthritis have candida complicating and exacerbating their symptoms. Approximately 75% have other bacterial (usually gram negative) or amoebic parasites causing problems. This is what you need to test for next -- AND this too might (hopefully) be negative.

To run this next test take 4 pepto-bismol (or less expensive generic) tablets just before going to bed. The next morning upon arising rate your pain as better, worse, or the same. What we do next will be based on how you feel.

After this test you will be ready to start supplementing with glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate. If you don't have a yeast problem, if the pepto doesn't do anything for you, THEN you will find IMMEDIATE and significant relief from the glucosamine/chondroitin. The experts believe that this supplement doesn't work for RA but they are wrong. If you stay on course with diet, don't have a candida problem and don't have other micro-organisms creating problems you'll find the glucosamine/chondroitin a significant benefit.

Finally since you have essentially tested negative for candida overgrowth and if the pepto-bismol test shows no change THEN you will know that SKILLED RELAXATION will be the final and most critical part in healing your leaky gut (remember 100% of folks with ANY TYPE OF ARTHRITIS HAVE LEAKY GUT). What you are doing now with the Reiki and exploring your relationships will fall into this category. The more work that you do in this area will add to normalizing blood flow and healing of your leaky gut.

At the same time you can see how people have confused these issues in the past. You said "In one of my Reiki books, one of the reasons for a woman to manifest yeast infections is being hurt by their partner. I believe that this may explain some of what's going on with me."

Laurie, if this is true why don't have a yeast problem? You should be very happy that you don't. Folks with significant candida problems that also have auto-immune disease have a MUCH harder time resolving than those that do not.

I hope that you see now that there was more than you (and your husband) perceived in resolving your arthritis. In other words I was not WRONG because you didn't have candida infection. If EVERYONE had a candida problem there would be little need to test for it would there?

Your case reminds me of a woman that had rheumatoid arthritis and was on prednisone for 7 years. She ran the elimination diet, the metabolic diet and felt improvement. Her sed rate fell within normals soon after completing this portion of the protocol. She tested for candida, and then did the pepto-bismol test and both were negative. She added the glucosamine/chondroitin and began skilled relaxation. She e-mailed me last week to let me know that she played 18 holes of golf with her girlfriends. She is 73 years old.

Bob




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Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Linda J. on September 23, 1998 at 14:44:20:

In Reply to: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Lori Reid on September 23, 1998 at 12:39:21:


Hi Lori

I didn't know it was possible to have a yeast infection and not have candida. I thought that's what caused it. I read a book called Biotypes (can't recall author) and it explained why certain personalities get certain illnesses. There have been extensive studies done on this. People with rheumatoid arthritis tend to be "people pleasers", always going out of their way to please others, to the point of even exhausting themselves to do so. It also discussed RA and anger. I think you are on the right track with this line of thinking. I also think Robert's advice is excellent.

Just some support.

Linda J.


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Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Lori Reid on September 23, 1998 at 18:38:38:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Robert McFeran on September 23, 1998 at 14:23:01:

Bob,

I completely forgot that pepto bismol test that you had mentioned before. I guess I was getting all excited cause some of the other reading I did on candida overgrowth seemed to fit so well. You are right that I should be happy to not have a yeast problem and I am thrilled, it should make recovery even easier. What I was thinking, where I was going with the yeast infection/partner thing was as a way to explain my recurrent yeast infections of the last year, however, the antibiotics that I took for about 8 months for my RA could also explain it.

Also, I did not mean to imply that you were wrong because the tests came back negative, I meant that my husband would probably see that as proof that I am uncapable of making wise decisions in regard to my & our daughter's health. But he's the one that's WRONG!!

OK, I'll do the pepto bismol thing and get back to you!!

Thanks again!

Lori


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Thanks Linda!!! (NMI)

Posted by Lori Reid on September 23, 1998 at 18:41:02:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Linda J. on September 23, 1998 at 14:44:20:





Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 23, 1998 at 22:40:14:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Lori Reid on September 23, 1998 at 18:38:38:

Lori,

You are right, right and right!

Not having intestinal yeast overgrowth DOES make recovery infinately easier.

The recurrent vaginal yeast infections that you experienced ARE linked to the constant use of the antibiotics. Remember candida albicans is the epitome of an opportunistic organism. If your immunity faulters it will grow at a phenomenal rate. Things like frequent antibiotic use, birth control pills (a type of steroid), sugar consumption, refined carbohydrate consumption, etc. all give yeast (through different mechanisms) an opportunity to thrive.

We're NOT wrong (you and me both) :)!

I have another question. When you first started the antibiotic therapy did you experience a Herximer Reaction? In other words did your symptoms exacerbate initially?

Bob


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Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 23, 1998 at 23:08:22:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Linda J. on September 23, 1998 at 14:44:20:

Hi Linda,

Thanks for the support.

You are correct -- the same candida albicans that we breath with almost every breath and is a normal resident of the large intestines is also the organism that creates vaginal yeast infections.

So what causes yeast infections (anywhere)? The resistance (immunity) of the host.

Pasteur was the first to declare that disease was caused by microscopic germs. Being the first he was sharply criticized by many of his enemies for failing to recognize the importance of the terrain (the soil in which disease develops). They accused him of being too one-sidedly preoccupied with the apparent cause of disease: the microbe itself. There were, in fact, many debates about this between Pasteur and his great contemporary, Claude Bernard.

The former insisted on the importance of the disease-producer, the latter on that of the body's own equilibrium. Yet Pasteur's work on immunity and what was induced by applying serums and vaccines showed that he did recognize the importance of the soil (the immunological abilities of the host). Pasteur attached so much importance to this point that on his deathbed he said to Professor A. Re’non who caring for him:

"Bernard avait raison. Le germe n'est rien, c'est le terrain qui est tout." ("Bernard was right. The microbe is nothing, the soil is everything.")

As age draws us closer to a natural death, it becomes obvious that our natural immunological resistance is ‘everything’. It is the true warrior and it has been all along. Antibiotics, vaccines and the like certainly have their place, but best used only to fill in the gaps.

I've also read BioTypes but cannot support it's conclusions. They strike me as too much like a horoscope -- you can see yourself (or others) if you want to.

My research suggests that (all things being 'somewhat' equal) the folks that get sick first are the ones that have inherited an EXTREME metabolism.

From a psycho-graphic standpoint I've found that arthritis and rheumatoid disease strikes all personalities. If there is a correlation to disease I would say that it lies with folks that I'd describe as MULTI-TASKERS or OPTIMIZERS. The same way that you can have several programs running on your computer at one time MULTI-TASKERS/OPTIMIZERS tend to try and juggle several tasks simultaneously at both work and at home. The biggest problem with this mind set is that there are NO breaks in concentration between tasks.

Bob




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Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Lori Reid on September 24, 1998 at 10:19:05:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Robert McFerran on September 23, 1998 at 22:40:14:

Hi Bob,

No, I did not get the "herx". That was one reason that I thought that the minocin was only helping because of its anti-inflamitory properties. The other reason I thought that was because the minocin made a difference in my symptoms in less than a week.

Lori



Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 24, 1998 at 10:20:10:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Linda J. on September 23, 1998 at 14:44:20:

Hi, Linda & Lori.

I agree with the symbolism of the psychosocial factors contributing to problems like this.

The reason for this note is that these kinds of tests are among the least accurate for diagnosing candida-related syndrome. Even the purged stools at Great Smokies are relatively inaccurate if only one sample is taken.

This is a difficult diagnosis to make in the laboratory since we ALL are swimming in candida yeasts (from the environment) all our lives. The most accurate diagnoses are from therapeutic trials and histories (especially specific questionaires).

Walt



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Correlation or causation?

Posted by Ignacio on September 24, 1998 at 14:29:31:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Robert McFerran on September 23, 1998 at 23:08:22:


Bob:

I continue to be fascinated by your approach. Thanks for all you've taught me!

My interest was especially piqued by your last paragraph. I wonder if you wouldn't like to go out a little farther on a limb and claim that multitasking is (a) cause of disease, and not merely correlated with it.

If there is a mere correlation, the disease could be eliminated without eliminating the multitasking. If there is causation, then it is certainly necessary to eliminate the multitasking to eliminate the disease.

(If might also be sufficient to eliminate the multitasking to eliminate the disease. One could argue that, referring to your earlier paragraphs, eliminating multitasking suffices to strengthen immunity, which suffices to eliminate disease.)

The reason I raise the causation suggestion is to dot the "I"s and cross the "T"s. If multitasking causes disease then eliminating multitasking eliminates disease. I found implicit in your comments the suggestion that skilled relaxation eliminates multitasking.

Ignacio


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Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 24, 1998 at 14:52:45:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Walt Stoll on September 24, 1998 at 10:20:10:

Walt,

I've found in my own personal experience and the experience of the couple of dozen or so folks that I've helped with RA, that the stool tests for candida (from Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs) are all but useless. It's not because GSDL doesn't do a good job, rather yeast content of stool gives no indication of candida toxins and protein fragments translocating into the bloodstream (which could only happen in the presence of a leaky gut AND candida overgrowth).

As you know there is always a certain amount of this type of translocation even in healthy guts -- and the immune system will have some response -- but it will be a 'normal' response.

As you also know there have been blood tests that measure various antibody titers including IGA, IGG, and IGM. These tests have in my experience been about 80% correct (still a relatively high level of false negatives).

The Candida Immune Complexes test (that Laurie showed negative for) contain IgG candida antibodies, candida antigen and fragement of complement. These immune complexes are present in proportion to the candida load and have a very high correlation (~95%) with candida overload.

There was a time when I believed that EVERYONE that had rheumatoid arthritis had a significant yeast problem. I figured that I knew that they all had leaky gut and that they all had significant immune disruption which ultimately would cause immuno-suppression and subsequent candida overload.

Now I've seen enough folks WITHOUT a yeast problem and RA to know that the candida related syndrome is in many cases a 'downstream' event. It seems that there is a phase of immune hyper-activity followed by immune exhaustion and then another wave of even greater antigen (of all types) translocation. It looks a lot like what Dr. Selye would predict.

Having said all that of course it would be best to treat EVERYONE with leaky gut with nystatin just in case they had candida related syndrome adding/perpetuating their problems. I just we could suggest that for Laurie but I don't know how much luck she would have with her doc.

Bob


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Re: Correlation or causation?

Posted by Robert McFerran on September 24, 1998 at 18:07:56:

In Reply to: Correlation or causation? posted by Ignacio on September 24, 1998 at 14:29:31:

Ignacio,

I believe that disease is a multi-component phenomenon. Dr. Stoll has in my estimation shown unequivocally the link between leaky gut syndrome and many chronic diseases.

So what creates leaky gut?

Since the gut requires tremendous cellular regeneration it requires not only adequate amino acid sythesis but also normal flow of blood to those regions of the gut.

We know that a 'fight or flight' reaction causes an interruption of normal blood flow to the gut. We also know that the 'relaxation response' (i.e. - the way you feel after meditation) restores normal blood flow to the gut.

During successful meditation our brain wave activity drops down into the alpha-theta range. When we are experiencing fight or flight our brain wave activity moves into the beta range.

Extreme concentration, being startled or annoyed with a ringing phone, etc., etc. all place the brain in a beta brain wave mode.

Multi-taking requires EXTREME, CONSTANT, concentration. Remember, you are optimizing each second for output when in this mode. Doing only one task at a time not only requires less concentration but it also requires less ANTICIPATION of what is going to happen next. There are intermittent breaks of concentration that are available as one moves from one task to another. A MULTI-TASKER/OPTIMIZER would be locked in beta brain wave activity for extended periods of time and in so doing restrict the gut's normal blood flow for long periods. Talk about being 'over-stimulated'!

To make matters worse this extended beta brain wave activity and loss of normal blood flow to certain areas of the body will create a build-up of things like lactic acid which will in turn create 'bracing'. Bracing leads to more constant chronic bracing and chronic bracing leads to even less blood flow to the already starved areas. As you can see a vicious cycle ensues. This describes a simple mechanism showing how our thoughts and emotions ultimately become incorporated into our physiology. Dr. Dave and Walt are intimately aware of this since they see it in almost all of their patients.

ALL of our ancestors only 15,000 years ago were Hunter-gatherers. We know that they spent the majority of their time in an alpha brain wave mode. Alpha mode is sometimes described as 'Open Focus'. If you want to feel open focus look at your monitor as you read these words. Now look at the entirety of the wall behind your computer monitor. Now look back to this text. You 'feel' different as you go back and forth.

Our Hunter-gather ancestors spent the large majority of their time in open-focus (alpha-mode). When tracking game 'open-focus' makes you a better hunter. You are able to detect things happening on the periphery that you simply wouldn't see if you were concentrating on one area.

Our Hunter-gatherer ancestors also spent a significant amount of time in alpha-theta mode as darkness would decend and religious rituals were practiced. They wouldn't collapse in bed and fall immediately to sleep with exhaustion at night. They didn't suffer insomnia either. Instead they spend several hours before sleep pondering their connection with the rest of their universe. We know their sleep was also deep and restorative and rich with dreams. If you don't dream frequently you probably aren't attaining deep sleep. We know that a lot goes on during deep sleep including the release of hormones essential for restoring, maintaining health.

All together the best of us probably spend too much time in beta mode and far too little in alpha and especially alpha-theta mode. If you look at the physiology of our brain with our rather tiny hypothallamus it becomes even more obvious that our body is best designed to spend most of it's time in alpha and alpha-theta rather than the high amount of concentrated beta activity that we force upon ourselves.

Multi-tasker/Optimizers by virtue of their actions place themselves in almost constant, concentrated beta mode.

The associations between


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Re: Correlation or causation?

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 1998 at 09:13:52:

In Reply to: Re: Correlation or causation? posted by Robert McFerran on September 24, 1998 at 18:07:56:

Thanks, Bob.

Once again I am reminded of how much I appreciate your presence on this 'site.

Namaste` Walt




Re: Bob, candida antibody test results.

Posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 1998 at 09:23:44:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Robert McFerran on September 24, 1998 at 14:52:45:

Dear Bob,

I really have no argument with most of what you say here in this note. I do not think there are ANY good laboratory tests for diagnosing candida. It is sort of like ALL parasitic tests. If the parasite is seen under the microscope, there is no doubt that it is present. However, if it is not seen, that is no real indication that it is NOT there. What this is saying is that positive tests are significant & negative tests are not. That is pretrty much the problem with the blood tests as well.

Of course, I also agree that candida-related syndrome is a "downstream event". It is the LGS that is the problem. All this other stuff is but aggravating the vicious cycle.

That is not to say that some people will not see their chief complaint (RA for example) disappear for a time just by dealing with one of these aggravation factors. Just lessening the total body burden gives our system a chance to "catch its breath" & function better for a while.

Namaste` Walt




Bronze Bob's reply, and hang it on the wall!

Posted by Jim Marconnet on September 25, 1998 at 09:39:35:

In Reply to: Re: Bob, candida antibody test results. posted by Robert McFerran on September 24, 1998 at 14:52:45:

Bob,

Thanks so much for explaining this phenonominon in a way I (-: a rocket scientist :-) can understand it and enjoy reading it, too.

I took the 4th level of Directional Healing last Saturday and have been having psychic "pops" off and on ever since. This AM, I had one. I've been feeling overwhelmed in my work and my life. Just too darn much to do. Too much unfinished business at the end of each and every day. Weekends fly by without the "big rocks" getting accomplished due to everything else that *must* be done. I *want* badly a complete break/vacation. But know that I won't get one for a looooooong time with the current list of to-dos, the proposal underway, kids in school, wife working all sorts of strange shifts, and the holiday schedule as it is.

Anyway I had a psychic "pop" this AM to the effect that even though I cannot physically go "away" for a while, I can mentally do something similar, if only by doing just one thing at a time and really focusing on it. Living this moment instead of 50 moments!

Then just a few hours later, I read what you wrote about multitasking! Dejavue all over again!

I feel like I should try to never multitask again for the rest of my life! Probably keep on keeping a list of what needs to be done (so my brain does not have to carry around that list and expend energy remembering what all I have to do..), but not even try to do 2-20 things at once! What a concept!

Thanks so much for explaining this!

RocketHealer Jim++
Rocket Scientist by Day,
Love/Energy Healer by Night.



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