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Doctors - and Protein Power

Posted by
Barbara Dusel on April 12, 1999 at 06:55:41:

Walt,

I wasn't going to bother you again--you gave me the name of a Doctor. Yes, he is an MD - but anyway I called just to get information - and it seems that he's my Doctor's brother and if I go to the hospital, I am back under the care of the Doc I have now. Actually we chose him--the one we have now because he is somewhat leaning toward home remedies and so forth but not really. I think he does mostly consultation
and I'm guessing but I think chelation, which I don't want. (Don't club me for saying that)...

Anyway, you have to pay cash for consultation, which if I were going to do that, I might as well just fax to you. The cost would be about the same. I don't know. I'm a bit worried about making my Doctor mad and then ending up right back there for certain illnesses. (smile) I don't know how this would be to go to his brother for a second opinion.

One final thought. I read the book Protein Power by the Eades. I thought I would try the diet. I didn't really lose much but I sure do feel better without carbohydrates-I feel 100% better. There was a big display in the Mall about this diet. What is your opinion of it? It's kind of the opposite of Pritikins - but I don't do very well eating a bunch of low fat bran muffins - it seems like I'm one of the people who can't handle carbohydrate or sugar.

Thanks for putting up with us. I sure do wish you were still in Kentucky!!! Gosh! You should see Rainbow Blossom's great big new store. They could use you, too, in my opinion-don't seem to have enough clerks to answer things. Oh well.......

Thanks again so very much.
Barb and Larry Dusel



Re: Doctors - and Protein Power

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 13, 1999 at 10:18:10:

In Reply to: Doctors - and Protein Power posted by Barbara Dusel on April 12, 1999 at 06:55:41:

Hi, Barb & Larry.

I didn't know Kirk had a doctor brother. My first response would be that the health-care system is about the patient NOT about the ego of the doctor. If your present doc would be bothered by your seeing his brother, that is just another reason not to be going to him.

I do not understand why Larry would be cared for by Kirk's brother because he went to Kirk. If he was the one who started him on the antihypertensive medication, & said that his pressure had to get into shock level to get off it, he is a danger, not an asset. The levels of blood pressure you mentioned would take 20 years to damage him so Larry has a long time to make the wellness approach work (the average length of time to control pressure, a lot worse than his, is 6-12 months.

For SOME people, the Protein Power diet might be good. It certainly would not be good for the majority. Once again I recomend you listen to your body as the most accurate laboratory one has for determining what works for that person.

ALSO, remember that some diets are very helpful as "therapeutic diets" but will make the person ill if they stay on them too long. That means that although you might feel a lot better for a while, if you stay on it too long (into the maintenance phase) you would start to feel worse. The Pritikin Diet is a good example.

MY prediction is that we, eventually, will understand why diets like this help some people; AND we will develop tests to predict which person should benefit from which diet and for how long. We don't know enough to do that yet.

From what you have said, I can't imagine that Chelation would be a first choice for anything you have. The 3 legs of the wellness stool would likely do you more good with less cost. AND, for that, you don't even need a "doctor" (one reason wellness is not very popular with the AMA).

Maybe a Health Coaching would be the best way to get started?

Walt



Re: Doctors - and Protein Power

Posted by
Barb and Larry Dusel on April 13, 1999 at 11:30:05:

In Reply to: Re: Doctors - and Protein Power posted by Walt Stoll on April 13, 1999 at 10:18:10:

Walt,

I promise to fax you but it will probably have to be after your little vacation. I have to pay my tree guys off first, which might take one month to get it done. ($800) We had a pretty good income till they put Larry on half days due to the BP med making him dizzy and so forth (stress)...

Do you get this follow ups? Anyway.....about Kirk Morgan I had vaguely thought someone holistic around here had switched from being a Doctor to being a Health Coach - you know how they are here in KY - anyway....I couldn't recall for sure, so I called him without using my name or the brother's name - asked the office man if Kirk was still a Doctor or was he kind of like a diet coach. The reply was that he is an MD who does consultations for cash at first in case the insurance won't pay.

I think I asked if he does all things like broken legs, flu, and so forth, and they said he does not use the hospitals, but they use Hilgeford and Morgan (Byron the brother) whenever a person becomes an emergency. I don't know if he lost his Hospital privilege or if he just doesn't want to do that type of work. Which puts me actually still under the same group. (indirectly)

The group I go to now is very popular and the people in St. Matthews all seem to go there and like them. (Hilgeford and Morgan).....it's just mostly the fact that they pretty much forbid me to get off the dyazide, unless I want to go on one even worse, and you can no longer see both doctors - you used to be able to go in there and see whichever Doctor was there - but now you can't get two opinions there that way.

I'm mostly just mad at myself for even going. I did learn that both Larry and I had elevated sugar when we first went (mine 106 and Larry's 110) - that information was very valuable to me. But I'm pretty mad at myself.

When I talked with them last night, they said they were sending me back to the Orthopedic guy I had during the car wreck for a 2nd opinion - Reutlinger - or if not him, Gavin, but now this morning they have not called me. So I don't know if they got busy or felt that I really did not want to go anyway, or what happened, but I'm in a total panic.

Thank you for putting up with this, and I promise to fax you after I pay off the tree guys - well I might fax first and then do the call after that. That is, unless they would send me off to the bone guys and the bone guys say I'm just fine. Then I might hold off on faxing. But I have to say your site on here is delightful and I'm forever grateful for the help you've given us. If it weren't for you, I would have probably still been having IVP's from 88-98 - they gave me 5 of them before we came to you (Not Morgan but some other group did it before that).....

I guess I should be thankful that Morgan always called me right back. I guess it could be worse. He's probably mad at me for arguing about all this arm research stuff(see other post)....I promise to fax later and I'll try to stay off of here at least until someone lets me know if I'm going to an Ortho guy and see what they tell me.

Barb D. trying to get out of a panic - will fax later!



Therapeutic Diet Examples??

Posted by
RocketHealer Jim++ on April 13, 1999 at 20:00:57:

In Reply to: Re: Doctors - and Protein Power posted by Walt Stoll on April 13, 1999 at 10:18:10:

Walt said, "ALSO, remember that some diets are very helpful as "therapeutic diets" but will make the person ill if they stay on them too long. That means that although you might feel a lot better for a while, if you stay on it too long (into the maintenance phase) you would start to feel worse. The Pritikin Diet is a good example."

About Pritkin, seems that I remember you saying somewhere here that it eventually kills all its long-term followers. If I remember that right, then it would certainly be countraindicated in the long-term, regardless of its short-term good effects.

Walt/Anybody: Could you give us a few specific examples of therapeutic diets, what they are good for and how long they can be done, versus diets that could be good for a lifetime, if they matched one's metabolic needs, etc.



Re: Therapeutic Diet Examples?? (Archive in diet.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 14, 1999 at 13:38:49:

In Reply to: Therapeutic Diet Examples?? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on April 13, 1999 at 20:00:57:

Hi, RocketHealer Jim.

As usual, you ask the best questions!!!!

I will try to use an example to make the point.

The Pritikin diet is such a good example I will use it first:

"THERAPEUTIC" diets are just that, therapeutic. That means the person has a problem that needs to be addressed. Once that problem is dealt with, the person needs a "maintenance" diet. Maintenance diets are just what they say: they are to maintain the level of health that has been achieved.

The Pritikin diet is designed to reverse atherosclerosis (although it has serendipidously been found to help other things--surprise, surprise). The body needs at least 10% of its calories as fats or it cannot make hormones. SO, when one eats LESS than 10% of its calories as fat, the body has to scavage for or it will get sicker. If one eats 11% of their calories as fat, the Pritikin diet will not work! The atherosclerotic plaques in the walls of arteries (atherosclerosis) are one of the first places that are scavaged.

Within 12-18 months of this kind of diet, most of the fat stores are depleted and the arteries are clean. THEN, if the person doesn't increase the % of fat in the diet to 15%, the person will not be as healthy as before even though the arteries may be clear.

SO, a 10% fat diet is therapeutic and a 15% fat diet is the healthiest maintenance diet.

Talk at me.

Walt



Re: Doctors - and Protein Power

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 14, 1999 at 13:44:54:

In Reply to: Re: Doctors - and Protein Power posted by Barb and Larry Dusel on April 13, 1999 at 11:30:05:

Hi, Barb.

I think the doc who put him on the medication should pay for the loss in wages since his hypertension is not causing any symptoms, the medication is!

He would be a LOT better off without the medication! There IS a place for antihypertensive medication---this is just not one of them! Hypertension like he has does its damage over 20-30 years. It would take 6-12 months for him to resolve his hypertension by getting at the causes. No risk in that.

The only risk he has right now is listening to that doc!

Walt



Re: Theraputic diet for H/G???

Posted by
RocketHealer Jim++ on April 16, 1999 at 20:32:59:

In Reply to: Re: Therapeutic Diet Examples?? (Archive in diet.) posted by Walt Stoll on April 14, 1999 at 13:38:49:

Thanks for the terrific explanation.

Now can you think of a few more examples?

And ... what does a H/G do if he/she needs to go on a Pritkin diet for clogged arteries? Seems to me that H/Gering and low fat are completely mutually-exclusive. Or did I miss something AGAIN :-)

RocketHealer (Questioner) Jim++



Re: Theraputic diet for H/G??? (not the same)

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 17, 1999 at 09:02:28:

In Reply to: Re: Theraputic diet for H/G??? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on April 16, 1999 at 20:32:59:

Hi, RocketHealer Jim.

I don't see the H/G diet as "therapeutic" but just rediscovering the true best diet for that person.

Bob may have a better explanation but that is mine.

Walt



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