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ER4YT Web Site and Pulling References to Dr. Stoll's Site (NOT!!)

Posted by
Sharon Edwards on August 11, 1999 at 11:25:10:

I feel very strongly that an unfair comment was made about Dr. Peter D'Adamo's Eat Right 4 Your Type web site (www.dadamo.com). The comment was made that Peter routinely pulls posts with references to this site. If you go there and check almost any post made by me, the optional link at the bottom of my posts are to this site. In fact, there is a post right now made by me with Skilled Relaxation in the title. Peter rarely has posts pulled unless they get inflammatory. I happen to know one of his webmasters and we've talked about how the site is managed. The most frequent reason I've seen for posts being pulled is when vegsource people start making hostile remarks about the recommendation that O's eat meat.

I hope that clears that air and that people are comfortable posting and reading information from both sites in an effort to gain information that will help them live happier and healthier lives.

Namaste'
Sharon



He pulled mine.

Posted by
trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

In Reply to: ER4YT Web Site and Pulling References to Dr. Stoll's Site (NOT!!) posted by Sharon Edwards on August 11, 1999 at 11:25:10:

I have a feeling that nobody noticed your link.

Hi Sharon,

I posted a message where I had referred to this site to help someone learn about SR. I did not make any references to diet at all. My post and my subsequent questioning post were both pulled. Peter was kind enough to respond to me via email that he pulled my posts because of my reference to this board.

He seems to feel that we are not very ER4YT friendly here, and also stated that his readers return to his site with more questions about diet than ever before. He basically said he is not willing to refer people here at this time.

I apologized and told him that I was unaware of his feelings about it. I guess I sort of feel he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Despite the differences between Bob's theory and his own, there is a load of useful information here that has nothing to do with diet.

trish



Re: ER4YT Web Site and Pulling References to Dr. Stoll's Site (NOT!!)

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 11, 1999 at 15:21:23:

In Reply to: ER4YT Web Site and Pulling References to Dr. Stoll's Site (NOT!!) posted by Sharon Edwards on August 11, 1999 at 11:25:10:

Sharon,

I hope that you've read Trish's post. She is not lying about her experience. Others have also e-mailed me when their posts were pulled -- first when they mentioned that there was some interesting discussions of alternate 'diet theories' being discussed on Dr. Stoll's BB and then later when ANY reference to this board was made (even the stuff on skilled relaxation).

I personally do not visit Dr. D'Adamo's BB due to the above practices. Its his board and of course he can do ANYTHING that he wants there. Its just unfortunate that he chooses to censor any discussions (no matter how civil) that might punch holes in his arguement that blood type IS the genetic marker for inherited metabolic needs.

Sharon, follow the money here. There are over a million ERFYT books that have been sold and a second recipe book. Naturopathic physicians all over the country have embraced the blood type/diet connection as it has the full support of Bastyr College (the most reputable Naturopathic College in the U.S.). To find that the blood type diet theory is flawed leaves a lot of folks red faced. Instead of 'fessing-up' it always easier for folks in power to 'cover-up'. Allopathic physicians (especially those in powerful positions) have been doing the same for years. That is censoring physicians like Dr. Stoll that refuse to participate in the 'cover-up'.

I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives. -- Tolstoy

The trap that Dr. D'Adamo has fallen into with censorship on his BB of dissenting ideas (resonably presented) is a trap that MANY others throughout history have fallen.

It takes a VERY big man/woman to admit when they are wrong.

Bob




He pulled mine, too.

Posted by
Karel on August 11, 1999 at 16:59:18:

In Reply to: He pulled mine. posted by trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

Hi Trish, Bob and Sharon,
I have the same feelings as you - Trish and Bob - about er4yt BB.
I ate according to Peter's recommendations exactly 4 months - November to February, and at that time I put many posts to his board. Some of them were pulled without being inflammatory, too. I have the feeling he does not like posts which are not absolutely in accordance with what he believes, even if not inflammatory at all.
By the way, my compliance (A blood type) with the ER4YT diet was almost 100 percent and I felt worse after those 4 months. So I stopped believing it works in its entirety (at least for some A's), now I disregard if my foods are ER4YT/OK, and I feel much better anyway. I remember there were many people with A blood type on the board who complained about their results with the ER4YT diet.
I think there (probably) may be some points that are true in the ER4YT theory. I also think the book could have been written much better, it leaves very many unanswered questions (even for a open-minded believer). But if I posted such a question on his BB, no answer came or the question disappeared. Apparently because of technical problems or temporary breakdown of the BB. Since March I do not read what is new at ER4YT and I am happy I found Walt's board. I am sure that it was the best information I got from ER4YT BB, since someone posted a link there in January (Trish, or Sharon, or someone else?) and I found the best health site in the world. Thanks a lot (unfortunately I do not remember who posted the link).
Be well,
Karel



Re: My posts were pulled too

Posted by
Sara on August 11, 1999 at 18:46:05:

In Reply to: He pulled mine. posted by trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

Hi all!

I had many of my posts pulled from the "O" board while I was following the ER4YT diet back in 1997. I stayed on the diet for about six months. I was underweight going in to it, and just lost more weight as the months went by. D'Adamo wasn't very sympathetic to my problem, and seems to have the impression that EVERYONE is overweight. Other people responded with the same problem, but he still wasn't any help. Many of my posts got pulled that weren't inflammatory in any way, although some did show my obvious frustration. His only answer to me was, "eat more oatmeal." Big help.

I went in to the whole thing with just the idea of eating a more healthy diet, but I certainly didn't want to lose any weight. D'Adamo's attitude turned me away, but it was for the best, because I was then referred to this site (by CyberMage, remember him?). Anyway, I'm happy to say that now I'm on a combination of the H-G/Whole Foods/BioBalance diets, and it definately works for me! No more problems with my weight, and more energy than ever!

D'Adamo can have his site. There was always too much negative energy there anyway, and I think his success has gone to his head. This site is like a breath of fresh air, and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Walt doesn't make himself out to be some kind of God, and the fact that he treats each one of us with respect. He also knows that there's a lot more to good health than just diet.

Sara



Hey! Great to see you again!

Posted by
trish on August 11, 1999 at 22:10:53:

In Reply to: Re: My posts were pulled too posted by Sara on August 11, 1999 at 18:46:05:

Glad to see you're still lurking and that you're feeling so well. I finally got on the wagon again...starting over is almost as hard as starting the first time! ;-)

take care, Sara
trish



Re: He pulled mine.

Posted by
Aaron Wieland on August 12, 1999 at 01:06:48:

In Reply to: He pulled mine. posted by trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

I had an almost identical experience the first time I posted a message to the new version of the ER4YT board. I'm afraid that my posts to the old ER4YT forums were partly responsible for making Peter wary of this board. Incidentally, most of my posts have been deleted from the archives.

-- Aaron



Re: He pulled mine.

Posted by Linda J. on August 12, 1999 at 10:16:55:

In Reply to: He pulled mine. posted by trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

Hi All,

Me too. I posted about my positive experience with biofeedback on Dr. D'Adamo's board about a year and a half ago and it was deleted. His message board now seems to be mostly frivolous conversation between half a dozen people or so. What really bugs me about his board is when somebody posts a heartbreaking question about a terrible disease or desperately need information about blood type diet because their kids are sick and they go unanswered by Dr D. There are alot of good people that try to answer, but it's not the same. Thanks Walt for always answering.

Linda J.



Re: He pulled mine.

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 13, 1999 at 14:27:44:

In Reply to: He pulled mine. posted by trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

Thanks, trish.

I am sorry to hear this. Peter used to be a contributer to this BB. I thought I knew him better than this and am surprised that he wouldn't have mentioned it to me (He has not.)

I know that I would not consider pulling anything about HIS 'site off MY board even though I do not believe his view is the only correct view in the world.

Walt



Re: He pulled mine.

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 13, 1999 at 14:28:11:

In Reply to: He pulled mine. posted by trish on August 11, 1999 at 13:47:39:

Thanks, trish.

I am sorry to hear this. Peter used to be a contributer to this BB. I thought I knew him better than this and am surprised that he wouldn't have mentioned it to me (He has not.)

I know that I would not consider pulling anything about HIS 'site off MY board even though I do not believe his view is the only correct view in the world.

Walt



Re: He pulled mine.

Posted by
trish on August 13, 1999 at 17:56:19:

In Reply to: Re: He pulled mine. posted by Walt Stoll on August 13, 1999 at 14:27:44:

I was sorry, too, Walt. I used to frequent his boards (he used to have 4 one for each bloodtype and a general topics board), before I found this one and before it was reformatted. There seemed to be much more open conversation there before the "new improved" board came out. I am grateful to him for his book which opened my eyes to the depth of diet's influence on us. But, I was surprised and disappointed to be censored.

The reason I said he's throwing the baby out with the bathwater is that what he seems to have a problem with here is Bob's metabolic diets, not any of your information.

You are a very rare individual who keeps his heart and mind open to new knowledge and correction of the knowlegdge you do have - you are careful not to fall into the trap illustrated by the famous Tolstoy quote.

be well,
trish



Re: ER4YT Web Site and Pulling References to Dr. Stoll's Site (NOT!!) ARCHIVE under philosophy.

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1999 at 08:12:43:

In Reply to: Re: ER4YT Web Site and Pulling References to Dr. Stoll's Site (NOT!!) posted by Robert McFerran on August 11, 1999 at 15:21:23:

Thanks, Bob!

I just replied to an email from trish about this and responded with practically the same thing as you have here.

I have urged her to put it on the BB with her note and hope she does. This is a good example of why people get so confused when they finally start to get serious about helping themselves.

Namaste` my friend,

Walt



Re: He pulled mine, too. (trish?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1999 at 09:04:25:

In Reply to: He pulled mine, too. posted by Karel on August 11, 1999 at 16:59:18:

Hi, Karel.

I hope trish does post my email note about this. It was exactly the information you need to understand your experience.

Walt



Okay, Walt, here you go...Diet/Holistic Philosophy

Posted by
trish on August 14, 1999 at 14:00:25:

In Reply to: Re: He pulled mine, too. (trish?) posted by Walt Stoll on August 14, 1999 at 09:04:25:

I sent Walt an email because my post above didn't emphasize enough (i felt) that Peter bears no ill will towards him. Dr. D'Adamo said he considered Walt an old friend and didn't have anything against him. He referred to this site as "Walt Stoll's/Robert McFerran's" site. Here is part of my letter to Walt and his response:

"[Peter D'Adamo] said you were an old friend and that he had nothing against you, but felt that the tone of the board
for the last two years had become progressively more hostile
toward his work. I am really reading that he doesn't care for Bob's attacks on his work, Walt. He is unwilling to continue defending his point on his own board...that is the part that made me saddest - that and seeing all the subsequent posts by others who had been censored. I feel like he's trying to prove his point by eliminating any "opposition," sort of a socialist propaganda tactic! He'd be way better off in my eyes by welcoming each chance to prove Bob wrong...and to learn more about the faults (inevitable)in his own theories so as to make them right. But your quoting of the Tolstoy diatribe comes to mind once again...I'm only sorry it is with someone who I looked up to.

I wanted you to know that Peter did not bear YOU any ill will, Walt.

Namaste'
your friend,
trish"

And Walt's reply:

"Thanks, trish.

I am glad to hear that. I only wish that he had done me the
courtesy of telling me that, personally, when he decided to do it.

He is coming up against the problem that all people who
overstate their cases eventually come to. Simplistic "answers", presented as being applicable to everyone, still have no place. Humans are much too complex and different to be pidgeonholed.

I suggested this to Peter once I had read his book and he
didn't like it then, either. ALL of these concepts have a piece of the truth. The problem is, to make a book out of that piece of truth, one has to make it seem much more inclusive than it really is. THEN, when many people try it, they find that it "works" for a small % of them and the challenging questions begin to fly.

Those for whom it worked wonderfully are very happy to share
their success. They chose correctly for THEM and so they have a little of the glory rub off on them. However we are much less likely to hear from those for whom it did not work since that tends to admit that they were "taken in " by the hype. Unfortunately, that gives all of us a skewed idea about its validity. Eventually, people are more confused
and they are less likely to consider the next "discovery" that comes down the pike--valid or not.

MY problem is that I hate to see the little bit of truth be
thrown out with the bathwater. Eventually, we will see where it fits IF we do not throw it out and have to rediscover it sometime in the future when we need that particular piece of the puzzle to see the whole picture better.

We would ALL like to make things simple for us to understand
(It makes us feel more powerful in the face of Mother Nature.) but it is not yet to be---if ever. If only new pieces were presented as just that. However, then there would be no wonderfully successful books for authors to promote. The public is partly to blame for this state of
affairs since they tend to want simplistic ideas (Don't we all?). They are SO much easier to understand.

The public is smarter than most of us have given them credit
for. MY book was written to help people change their paradigm--coming from the other end of the stick. However, it has been wonderfully successful (presently in its third printing). I knew I was limiting its acceptance because I was not offering some simplistic appoach but an opportunity to change the readers' WAY of thinking. This is the open door people need to walk through to see the rest of the new information from a more productive perspective.

It is too bad that we are not having this discussion on the
BB. Stuff like this is EXACTLY what people need to think about to protect themselves from the chaos that is the present state of the shattering paradigm being replaced by whatever is to come.

If you are willing to share this note you wrote with the BB, I hope you will put both of our notes on the BB, under a title something like "Diet/Holistic Philosophy". Don't hesitate to edit your note to make it more comfortable for you to share on the BB. The reason for including it is not only for your information to be made available but it is so my reply will make sense in context.

Is this making sense to you?

Namaste` my friend,

Walt"




Re: Okay, Walt, here you go...Diet/Holistic Philosophy (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 16, 1999 at 12:28:16:

In Reply to: Okay, Walt, here you go...Diet/Holistic Philosophy posted by trish on August 14, 1999 at 14:00:25:

Thanks, trish, for your efforts. Hope this helps others who may be confused with the "system".

Walt



Dr. Stoll: A true healer

Posted by JennyB on August 16, 1999 at 15:03:58:

In Reply to: Re: He pulled mine. posted by Linda J. on August 12, 1999 at 10:16:55:

Linda, I've noticed the same thing--Dr. D is on the board immediately when someone challenges his work, but so many with serious health problems asking their diet-related questions get no response. He also has time for "personality tests" and other fluff, while ignoring sincere questions. The blood-type diet has been helpful for me, but I'm turned off by the way the board is handled.

It makes me grateful for this BB, and for Walt Stoll, a true healer and visionary, who daily, patiently, shares his wisdom and expertise, and offers this BB space as a community wellness forum. We are all the richer for his presence! Health and blessings to you, Dr. Stoll!



Wise words, thanks. NMI

Posted by
Karel on August 16, 1999 at 18:23:22:

In Reply to: Re: Okay, Walt, here you go...Diet/Holistic Philosophy (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 16, 1999 at 12:28:16:

NMI



Re: Dr. Stoll: A true healer (Thanks, JennyB. I needed that today!) NMI

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 17, 1999 at 11:12:52:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll: A true healer posted by JennyB on August 16, 1999 at 15:03:58:


NMI



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