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Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction

Posted by Dawn G. on October 24, 1998 at 14:56:39:

I was just reading your discussion earlier this month on Herximer reactions. When I go on any antifungal I get a fuzzy head, sweating, weakness, and feel generally ill. Sometimes it feels like I'm intoxicated. This happens on very low doses, 1/4 to 1/2 recommended amounts. It never gets any better. I was on caprylic acid for six months and it didn't go away. I've also had Diflucan for two weeks and Nystatin for six weeks and had the same symptoms. I've stopped taking anything now because I don't want to create resistance. Any comments?


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Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 24, 1998 at 19:20:19:

In Reply to: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction posted by Dawn G. on October 24, 1998 at 14:56:39:

Dawn,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I am not a doctor (just wanted to let you know since I'll be sharing some experiences (mine and others) with antifungal drugs.

Were you taking the diflucan at the same time you were taking the nystatin powder?

I don't see why anyone (any physician that is) would prescribe diflucan since lamisil is no doubt more effective and is the safest of the systemic anti-fungals. Sporanox is a close second to the lamisil, both in effectiveness and toxicity profile.

If you are not having an idiopathic reaction to the drugs (or the caprylic acid for that matter) it could be a herximer. I would suggest that you treat by excluding all of your individual food allergen and then move to the appropriate metabolic diet for 1-3 months and then try the antifungals again.

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction

Posted by Dr. P. Neil on October 24, 1998 at 23:32:37:

In Reply to: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction posted by Dawn G. on October 24, 1998 at 14:56:39:

What about using naturals for fungus, ie: Herbs, like Tarragon contains 13 different antifungals and Oregano or homeopathics: ie: water soluble "Yeast & Fungus". How about your body's pH? I cannot remember who said this, "Its not the microbe, bur rather the milieu" Work on getting your body's environment back in balance. This can be done 1st by eating the best foods for you. Perhaps read "Eat Right For Your Type" by Naturopath, Dr. Peter D'Adamo. I continually had yeast problems until I started eating foods better for my type. Finally you may wish to go to the library and find an old book , "The Yeast Connection", and use alternatives instead of medical treatments. All this is just my humble opinion. I hope this helps.



Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction

Posted by Dawn G. on October 25, 1998 at 11:25:00:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction posted by Robert McFerran on October 24, 1998 at 19:20:19:


I took the Diflucan and the Nystatin at different times. I tried taking both together for a few days and was really, really sick. What do you think of the accuracy of the RAST tests for food allergy? I'm having a hard time because I weigh 96 pounds, suspect I have many food allergies, and don't know what to eat on an anti-Candida, Rotation, Whole Foods, ER4YT diet.


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Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 25, 1998 at 21:36:55:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction posted by Dawn G. on October 25, 1998 at 11:25:00:

Dawn,

Rast tests are a colossal waste of $$.

You need to run the elimination diet outlined in the archive section of this site. There are a handful of foods that contain lectins that I suggest folks eliminate totally given their blood type.

Then you need to segue into the proper metabolic diet. I've seen several Agriculturists get very sick when trying to eat the classic anti-candida diets (high protein/low carbo). They think that it's a healing crisis or a Herximer reaction when in reality they feel like crap simply because they are eating in an inappropriate way for their inherited metabolism.


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Metabolic Diet

Posted by Thomas on October 26, 1998 at 06:04:06:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction posted by Robert McFerran on October 25, 1998 at 21:36:55:

Robert: I'm fairly new to this BB and am hoping that you can review how one determines his or her metabolic type. I tried checking the archives but apparently the search feature is no longer available. I'm a blood type O and have been on the ER4YT diet for the past four months and haven't noticed any dramatic improvements.


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Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Jim on October 26, 1998 at 08:23:03:

In Reply to: Metabolic Diet posted by Thomas on October 26, 1998 at 06:04:06:

Thomas,

In the archives, click on "Robert McFerran's book on arthritis." It's all there.

Jim



Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 26, 1998 at 11:22:46:

In Reply to: Metabolic Diet posted by Thomas on October 26, 1998 at 06:04:06:

Thomas,

Answer these questions.

Can you go long periods of time without eating?

Can you drink a couple of cups of coffee in the mid-morning without eating any food and not feel jittery or anxious?

Have you had a 5 hour glucose tolerance test that showed you were hypoglycemic?

Bob


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Type O Lectin Elimination

Posted by Mary Jackson on October 26, 1998 at 12:18:29:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran-Herximer reaction posted by Robert McFerran on October 25, 1998 at 21:36:55:

Hi Bob,

Could you just briefly list the major lectin "avoids" you think are important to eliminate for O's? I would be much obliged. I would have trouble finding this in the archives.
Mary J.


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Re: Type O Lectin Elimination

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 26, 1998 at 14:47:29:

In Reply to: Type O Lectin Elimination posted by Mary Jackson on October 26, 1998 at 12:18:29:

Mary,

I'm in the process of upgrading my computer system (ugh). Unfortunately the files that have what you want are backed up on a zip drive somewhere in the morass of chaos that I use for an office.

Repost this request in a week and I'll comply........ ;)

Bob



Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Thomas on October 26, 1998 at 19:46:24:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Robert McFerran on October 26, 1998 at 11:22:46:

Robert: Thanks for answering. No I cannot go more than three hours without eating. If I drink coffee on an empty stomach I usually get quite jittery. I have not had a 5 hour glucose tolerance test.

Thomas


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Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 26, 1998 at 22:22:28:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Thomas on October 26, 1998 at 19:46:24:

Thomas,

Your answers would indicate that you should start with the Hunter-Gatherer diet. Of course the caffeine question is only an approximation. Start with the H-G diet and pay close attention to your energy level the next 48 hours. It will probably go up.

Later you can prove to yourself that you are eating within the proper subset by testing the other two diets for a 2-4 days. I guarantee that you will feel a different energy level with each. The diet that yields the most energy is the one that you are best suited.


Bob



Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Thomas on October 28, 1998 at 12:12:26:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Robert McFerran on October 26, 1998 at 11:22:46:

Bob,
I've located and read the "hunter-gatherer" diet from your achieves. Thank you. I'll give it a try. Tell me, is the diet sufficient to raise my metabolism? The reason I was attracted to the ER4YT diet some months ago was because it dealt with low metabolism. For years I've suffered from the classic symptoms: chills, dry/itchy skin, carpel tunnel, achy joints, lack of mental focus, low morning basal temp (96.2-97.4). My GP took tests, said my TSH is normal, so I should accept my condition as part of the aging process. Hey, I'm only 57. I've followed ER4YT, even bought and take bladderwrack, but haven't experienced any improvement. Is there something additional I should be doing, short of taking supplemental thyroid, to crank my thermostat up a bit.


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Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 28, 1998 at 13:45:28:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Thomas on October 28, 1998 at 12:12:26:

Thomas,

I had similiar problems with low basal temps when I was eating a whole foods diet similar to what I now suggest for Agriculturists metabolisms. I even talked my doctor into giving me a prescription for small doses of Armour Thyroid to help with my "sub-clinical" hypothyroidism.

The supplemental thyroid medication did help a bit but I was still uncomfortably cold whenever the temperature was under 85 degrees!!

Once I started on the Hunter-gatherer diet I was able to stop the thyroid and I find myself comfortable walking around in shorts and a t-shirt with the fall weather here being in the low 60's.

You will find that there is really no such thing as a 'fast' or 'slow' metabolism. There are simply diets that do and diets that don't match your inherited metabolic needs. The diets that don't match your needs will provide a lower, sub-optimal energy yield as well as a sub-optimal yield of amino acid synthesis. A person could have EXACTLY the same symptoms that you are having and might need to eat the opposite metabolic diet. The energy increase is something that you will feel almost immediately while the advantages of optimized amino acid synthesis is something that becomes apparent over time (3-4 months).

Amino acids are not only the building blocks needed for cellular regeneration but also for hormonal production. That is one reason why so many seeming unrelated symptoms will resolve once the person has landed on the proper whole foods, metabolic diet.

If you REALLY want to see how good you SHOULD be feeling you might want to run the elimination diet (to determine hidden food allergens) and then move into the Hunter-Gatherer diet.

Bob

p.s. -- when you try the H-G diet make sure to restrict carbohydrate intake and up the levels of fat in the food lists.


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Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Thomas on October 29, 1998 at 06:13:35:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Robert McFerran on October 28, 1998 at 13:45:28:

Bob,
Thanks so much for the detailed response. I'll try the elimination diet. If I can feel warmer and not ache all the time, I'm willing to spend a week eating cod fish. Is it necessary for me to continue with the blatterwrack?



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Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on October 29, 1998 at 10:04:13:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Thomas on October 29, 1998 at 06:13:35:

Thomas,

Actually you will want to stop ALL supplements of any sort during the elimination diet.

I don't think that you will have to take the bladderwrack to get the benefits you desire. Of course it is a good source of iodine which seems to be more important to Hunter-Gatherer metabolic types than their Agriculturist counterparts. I used to supplement with an occassional capsule of kelp but now I just use mineral salt or unrefined sea salt to get enough iodine not to mention other trace minerals.

We can discuss supplements here when you get to that point.

I'm really pleased that you are going to try the elimination diet prior to finding your best metabolic diet. I GUARANTEE that you will be rewarded for your extra effort here. Get ready to first lose those aches and pains and then feeling warm again.

Bob


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Re: Metabolic Diet

Posted by Thomas on October 29, 1998 at 22:14:01:

In Reply to: Re: Metabolic Diet posted by Robert McFerran on October 29, 1998 at 10:04:13:

Thank you Bob for your time and encouragement. I'll let you know how I do.



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