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Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:

As many of you know, I'm in the middle of the Elimination-diet, on Day 5, to be exact. By eating two hamburgers at supper last night, I seem to have broken thru the starvation wall that I seemed to be up against. I feel much better today than on the previous days on this diet. I'm down 12 pounds (water!) in 5 days and I felt really hollow and empty inside up till I ate those 2 patties last night. Anyway....

As I came into work today, I noticed that the auditorium is set up for a military awards bandquet. The lobby had tables set up with coffee and donuts. As I walked by, I thought about the fact that not only was I NOT invited to the awards ceremony, that today I would NOT eat one of their donuts if it were offered.

In the past, I'd be sure to mingle with the crowd and get several donuts. The coffee is no problem, I never took up drinking it.

Anyway, I just wanted to pass on my thoughts on the possibility of NEVER eating another donut. Been there, done that. I know how bad they make me feel, for DAYS! Why would I ever do that again?

Have other whole-foods folks and E-dieters noticed significant changes in their feelings and in their eating behavior?

Thanks,
RocketHealer Jim++



Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by Mikael on September 30, 1999 at 13:02:41:

In Reply to: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:


I know how that feels. Without any E-diets, I have gotten same kind of results in not eating dairy. I ate chocolate from time to time in the past. Then I quit using dairy for many months. Some time ago i tried some non-sugar non-lactose milk chocolate and it made me incredibly sick for two days. I guess there's no going back now. It's the horrible curse of whole foods! :)

Eat well,
Mikael



You might as well get used to it.

Posted by Rosemarie on September 30, 1999 at 16:37:59:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by Mikael on September 30, 1999 at 13:02:41:

Hi Jim!

Living a healthy lifestyle in this country, unfortunately puts a real crimp in your social life (at least for me). Because everywhere you go on social occasions, it's either chips and dip, or donuts or banana cream pie or whatever...and the birthday cakes with all their gooey icing and colorful decorations!

Now unlike most people, I actually do not care for really sweet things and most junk food. Having said that it's still awkward to be in a situation where you're expected to act like it's good.

Then there are the holidays...Those special foods and cookies just go with the occasion and if you have young children there's no way around it. (Yes, of course, there are healthy versions of all the baked goods, but they do taste "different" and are not always appreciated.

It's a delimman, no doubt about it...especially if you like junkfood.

But, trust me, the rewards are well worth it. BTW, why do people call whole foods a "diet"...like it's something weird or out of the ordinary. That's the way our ancestors ate and the way food was before we "reinvented" it.

Hang in there, Jim.
(Some day I'll tell you about the cleansing diet I did for 7 days with nothing but supplements, Psyllum powder, apple juice, etc. and 2 colonics a day. You got it easy!!!!!!!

Rosemarie




Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by
Joseph Hackett on September 30, 1999 at 21:05:45:

In Reply to: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:

RHJ - as long as you think of eating whole foods as a "diet" with the negative connotations that accompany it, in my opinion it will be tough to stay with because you'll always feel you are denying yourself the "good stuff." I like to think of it as more of a lifestyle. It probably took me at least a year to get to this point mentally.

In some ways I feel my course was easier than many in attempting a whole foods diet. Having had (note HAD) a severe case of rheumatoid arthritis, I would get almost immediate feedback (severe joint pain) when I ate something my immune system reacted to. This pain would always last 2-3 days! Examples would be having to limp everywhere I went because my food hurt so bad or looking like a robot when I drove a car because I could barely turn my head for the neck pain!

Even so, I probably did this to myself at least 10 times before I finally came to terms with what I needed to do.

In November I will have been eating this way (Bob's HG diet) for 2 years. I do feel that a "big picture" perspective about this approach helps - it's our society TODAY that is conducting one big food experiment on those who eat "modern" foods. The results are coming in and they are not good.

You might be interested in the book by Dr. Weston Price, NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION. With all of the examples about how we have developed over thousands of years, it really helped me look at my situation differently.

As far as sugar and donuts, I like them as much as the next person. However, I also know what they can do to me. At this stage, I basically look at those foods as a poison. As good as they taste, they're fool's gold. I'm sure some sugar slips into my diet somewhere (I do go to restaurants, I travel for business, etc), but it's VERY minimal.

Also remember we are creatures of habit. The longer I eat this way, the more "normal" it becomes.

I always think of how far I have progressed - from a person on disability who was pitied on the street to someone who hit a golf ball 200 yards with a 3 iron last weekend!

Joseph



Sounds like a good swing to me!

Posted by
trish on September 30, 1999 at 22:04:53:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by Joseph Hackett on September 30, 1999 at 21:05:45:

Joseph,

I can't agree more with what you've said here - I especially appreciate the fact that you feel you've sort of had it easier than many - a lot of people wouldn't realize there might be another facet to this situation.

I am one of those "many" and have lamented to Bob in the past that I wish I DID have an allergy - or SOMETHING happened to me when I ate a bad thing...but, no, for me it's all long term, and fighting that habit thing constantly. So, when I start to feel good, I get sloppy, and nothing reminds me for a few weeks until I start to feel really bad again! It's all brute discipline. YIKES!

I am very happy for you that you are doing so well - keep on going!

be well,
trish



Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by
Robert McFerran on September 30, 1999 at 22:53:30:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by Joseph Hackett on September 30, 1999 at 21:05:45:

Hi Joe,

Fools gold! What a perfect analogy!

Thanks for reminding about the Weston Price book -- after reading that I had a turning point in that Price gave me something tangible to 'connect' to -- my ancestors that were living under harsh conditions in incredible health.

Since reading that book I embrace my Gaelic roots and eat everything and anything that they might have eaten. I'm sure that my ancestors were more than contented with what they were eating -- just so they could get enough of it.

For those that haven't read NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION there are a number of striking photographs that tell you everything that you need to know about the impact of diet.

Bob



Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by
Deb on October 01, 1999 at 01:23:43:

In Reply to: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:

Hi guys,

When we were in the testing phase, Ian had some extreme reactions to some of the foods he tried, and he has found that as a result, he is not even tempted by anything with sugar in any more.

On the other hand, I didn't have extreme reactions to anything and since I haven't had any non-whole foods, I don't know what the "sugar reaction" feels like. So even after 5 months of whole foods, I still occasionally look at a cake or chocolate bar and think "yum". For me, it is will-power backed by knowledge that stops me from eating it, rather than experience.

Ian says I should try something, so that I get to see what it feels like, and then I won't even be tempted. But I don't want to do that in case I get a reaction that sabotages my hard work so far. Or even worse, I might not get a reaction and then some part of my brain will start telling me I can get away with just a little. And we all know that's a dangerous road.

Another example of how our tastes have changed - I got my Mum to send us some soy carob drops (no sweetener at all in them) from Australia. Mum tried one and thought it was so ghastly she had to spit it out. And we think they're a delicious treat!!

I may have mentioned this before but - when I was just doing the O diet, and was only aiming for 95% compliance, I did sometimes have things that I knew weren't the best for me. But now on the whole foods/H-G plan (let's not call it a diet) it's actually easier to resist temptation. Before I had this "will I, won't I" thing going on, and had to decide whether to have something or not. Now there's no debate, no questions, I know I won't be eating it and that's that.

Sometimes it's hard to think that I can never have chocolate cake with hot fudge sauce again, and what will we do when everybody else is getting plastered on New Year's Eve. But it's just a passing thought. After all we'll be the people that feel the best on the first day of the new millenium, won't we?

Deb.



Re: Clarification: I LIKE the idea of NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on October 01, 1999 at 07:34:21:

In Reply to: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:

Thanks for the replys.

I just wanted to clarify something: I LIKE the idea of possbily never eating another donut.

From where I WAS earlier, I thought that would be an admirable accomplishment. Now, in the midst of the E-Diet, feeling the way I do now, I can see the possibility of actually accomplishing that, and being happy about it.

I'm certainly NOT seeing donuts as a wonderful something that I'm deprived of, but as something-why would I EVER want to eat one of those sugar/fat bombs that destroy me for Days mentally, not to mention tearing up my intestinal system!

But I do realize that I still live in the real world, and things like donuts will be all around me forever. But I certainly see them differently right now than I ever did before.



Re: H-G Treats

Posted by Curious on October 01, 1999 at 07:38:44:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by Deb on October 01, 1999 at 01:23:43:

So, then, soy carob is a whole food and was eaten by hunter/gatherers? Wonder what Beth Loiselle says about carob.



Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again (EVEN WORSE!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 09:49:52:

In Reply to: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:

Hi, RocketHealer Jim.

With MY e-diet, I discovered that I am exquisitely sensitive to both wheat AND dairy.

How about knowing that I will not only have to do without donuts but fresh baked whole grain bread AND cheese (which has been my favorite food all my life--the bread is second only by a bit). Donuts have been MUCH too sweet (even unsweetened donuts) for many years now---they just don't taste good any more.

My hope is that, with my wellness program that I will only have to do this for about a year. I am marking the days until I can at least try them. I will have a loaf of still warm fresh baked whole grain bread and a chunk of room temperature, very holey, swiss cheese (What an image!)

I will let you know.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Clarification: I LIKE the idea of NEVER eating a donut again

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 09:52:46:

In Reply to: Re: Clarification: I LIKE the idea of NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on October 01, 1999 at 07:34:21:

Thanks, RHJ.

This is real progress and exactly similar to all who I have observed going through this transition. Watch out for the temptation to bring back old memories, sometime in the future, when you are tempted to try a donut again. You will be disappointed but become an even more fervent believer.

Walt



Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again NUGGET

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 10:01:38:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by Deb on October 01, 1999 at 01:23:43:

Thanks, Deb!

Your contribution will help others illuminate the road ahead should they be so inclined as to give it a try.

"Trying something" before about 6 months CAN sabotage your efforts significantly. After that, the chances of it doing anything but make you feel bad rapidly reduces. You can even reduce the feeling bad by alkalinizing your system upon the beginning of the symptoms (That is what the discussion regarding the AlkaSeltzer Gold is all about.)

Alkalinization will NOT prevent the sabotage if you try stuff in less than 6 months.


Namaste`


Walt



Re: H-G Treats (Carob?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 10:03:17:

In Reply to: Re: H-G Treats posted by Curious on October 01, 1999 at 07:38:44:

Hi, Curious.

As I recall, carob is O.K. I would have to look it up in Beth's book to be sure.

Walt



Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again (Archive in diet.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 10:04:42:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by Joseph Hackett on September 30, 1999 at 21:05:45:

Wonderful stuff, Joseph!

I hope everyone reads thhis note!

Namaste`

Walt



Re: You might as well get used to it.

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 10:06:58:

In Reply to: You might as well get used to it. posted by Rosemarie on September 30, 1999 at 16:37:59:

Thanks, Rosemarie.

You are a real benefit to this board and the people seeking to help themselves.

Walt



Re: You might as well get used to it.

Posted by Nancy on October 01, 1999 at 11:16:47:

In Reply to: You might as well get used to it. posted by Rosemarie on September 30, 1999 at 16:37:59:

Hi-
I'm also wheat and dairy intolerant along with many food allergies - some of which I hope to be able to add back into my diet but many that are gone for life. The donut deprivation is tough, but for me the biggie was chocolate - (4 months chocolate free - never thought I could do it!)But when you really start feeling the difference somehow the stuff you used to live stops looking so good. Social settings are a problem but you can work around those things. I've been known to bring my own food to picnic and potluck dinners or sneak out of a banquet early to eat elsewhere. Also, I have found restaurants to be extremely helpful in putting together a meal I can eat, if I let them know I'm dealing with food allergies. to anyone struggling with this - please hang in there- it is so worth it!
Nancy



According to the Lincoln PrincipleŽ it takes 1.9 013 years to adjust to a new diet. Details forthcoming in my new book

Posted by
Lincoln on October 01, 1999 at 12:01:06:

In Reply to: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on September 30, 1999 at 10:39:07:

I'M KIDDING! (about the book, anyway)



Re: H-G Treats

Posted by
Deb on October 01, 1999 at 16:41:33:

In Reply to: Re: H-G Treats posted by Curious on October 01, 1999 at 07:38:44:

Hi Curious,

You're right, of course, that both soy and carob are less than perfect foods for H-G's. That's why we think of them as an occasional treat, rather than as a dietary staple. I believe they are both whole foods tho.

Deb.



Dr. Stoll Did you do Bob's e-diet .....how long ago? (NMI)

Posted by Rosemarie on October 01, 1999 at 20:29:39:

In Reply to: Re: Thoughts of possibly NEVER eating a donut again (EVEN WORSE!) posted by Walt Stoll on October 01, 1999 at 09:49:52:

nmi



That's the idea!

Posted by Rosemarie on October 01, 1999 at 20:35:58:

In Reply to: Re: Clarification: I LIKE the idea of NEVER eating a donut again posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on October 01, 1999 at 07:34:21:

When you see a food you KNOW you shouldn't eat, just say to yourself "Gee, that looks AWFUL, how could anyone eat that stuff!" :-)

BTW, sounds like you went to work while doing the e-diet. Is that true? Well, no wonder you need those extra hamburger patties!

I'm always looking forward to what you're posting next!

All the best
Rosemarie



Re: That's the idea!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on October 01, 1999 at 21:40:57:

In Reply to: That's the idea! posted by Rosemarie on October 01, 1999 at 20:35:58:

Yes I definitely went to work this week. Thank goodness the work week is over! I can see where it would be really great to do the E-diet at a far away resort place (where THEY do all the peeling and steaming-but I've never heard of such a place for E-dieters), away from work and homework and everything. But that simply was not possible for me. So I did what I could and what I thought I could do (I.E. I made some divergences from the writeup that Trish and Robert have held me to accountability for.)

I still think it is better for me to have done what I have done than to have just gone on living the way I was and to have snarfed 6 donuts yesterday when I had a chance! :-) My pants are falling off me, and I see that as a very good sign!

Thanks, It's nice to be appreciated! I appreciate the inputs of many people here, though I don't always express it. I do a lot of head-nodding. If someone says something I appreciate and I agree with, I usually just nod my head "yes", and go on with things. The same with angry people. I just shake my head, but "no" in this case, and go on. Only the places where I think I can add some helpful content or humor (Not necessarily in that priority order!) do I jump in. Sometimes I step back bleeding. Usually it is appreciated.

The picture is for the "No" people I've run into here lately.



Re: Dr. Stoll Did you do Bob's e-diet .....how long ago?

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 02, 1999 at 12:12:05:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll Did you do Bob's e-diet .....how long ago? (NMI) posted by Rosemarie on October 01, 1999 at 20:29:39:

Hi, Rosemarie.

I did it long before I ever met Robert.

Walt



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