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Robert McFerran

Posted by Peggy on November 02, 1998 at 15:23:04:

Hi Robert,

Just a quick question. I'm doing a juice cleanse right now and haven't eaten any food for 3-4 days. I'm not hungry and actually feel kinda peppy. Feel like tackling projects around the house. I never started drinking coffee, but have tested it for my reaction. It makes me feel great, very energetic and it does not keep me up. Does this point me towards Agriculturalist?

Thanks,
Peggy





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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 02, 1998 at 16:49:46:

In Reply to: Robert McFerran posted by Peggy on November 02, 1998 at 15:23:04:

Peggy,

You definately sound like you have inherited an Agriculturist metabolism.

You will start to see the connection between cultures that were primarily vegan and had routine periods of fasting as part of their dietary and religious regimines.

I have never found a Hunter-Gatherer group which would routinely fast as part of their wellness program.

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Peggy on November 02, 1998 at 21:02:04:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 02, 1998 at 16:49:46:

Robert,

I was just looking thru the archives and noticed that you mentioned extreme hot weather affecting agriculturist/alkaline types. What exactly are you talking about, how does it affect them? I'm curious because I've always hated hot weather. It just kills me, makes me b-tchy, irritable, sooo uncomfortable, run-down. (Fall is my favorite)

Peggy



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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 02, 1998 at 22:35:05:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Peggy on November 02, 1998 at 21:02:04:

Peggy,

Very hot weather tends to make both Agriculturists and Hunter-gatherers more EXTREME. Of course they are more extreme in OPPOSITE directions.

I could use the reductionist approach and suggest the reason is that Agriculturists tend to become de-hydrated in hot weather but I think it is even more than that. I believe that it is a type of 'programming' that is encrypted in our make-up that must have made our ancestors better adapted to their environment.

Of course the way it actually happened is that time slowly adapted us to our surroundings. This included temperature extremes.

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on November 03, 1998 at 22:52:12:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 02, 1998 at 22:35:05:

Bob,

When you say that hot weather makes Agriculturists and Hunter-Gatherers more EXTREME, does that mean that to feel good they need to eat more extremely ( closely ) to their respective diets ? Or have I missed the point. Please clarify.

Also have you ever worked with someone with Lyme disease (arthritis ) ? Or do you know of a resource that would help me do research on this. I am thinking of being tested.

Thanks,

Susan


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 00:10:59:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on November 03, 1998 at 22:52:12:

Susan,

You have hit the nail on the head.

Eating in an EXTREME manner for H-G's means they have to really keep their purine and fat content high and their carbohydrate (of their recommended foods) low.

Eating in an EXTREME manner for an Agriculturist would mean to NEVER over-eat while keeping purines, fat and salt to a minimum. Fasting would be an EXTREME way to eat for an Agriculturist.

I have helped folks with Lyme disease. The problem is that there are underlying problems that need to be addressed that reduced your immunity in the first place so that you could become persistently infected with the spirochete responsible for Lyme.

ALL people with arthritis have leaky gut syndrome -- that includes folks with Lyme.

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on November 04, 1998 at 09:58:06:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 00:10:59:

Bob,

If one were to test for Lyme which is difficult to diagnose which test would be the most definitive. Someone told me the LUAT was the most accurate. This would of course be for the chronic form of the illness. I feel a little lost.

Susan



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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 10:53:28:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on November 04, 1998 at 09:58:06:

Susan,

Don't get too bogged down looking for a diagnosis -- since if all he tests come up negative you would STILL be feeling crummy and would still want to do something about it.

Lyme IS difficult to diagnose. That's why rheumatologists rely on your history to determine exposure (to the tick carrier) and any immediate reactions you might have had shortly thereafter.

I had a friend that was bitten by a tick and developed the classic bullseye rash -- yet he did not develop Lyme. At the same time I've known folks that showed no rash or associated acute symptoms that developed chronic symptoms and subsequently tested positive for the disease.

Perhaps more daunting (and confusing to our hapless allopathic physicians) is why some folks (who have tested positive to Lyme) get well and others don't when treated with antibiotics.

YOU will have to resolve your leaky gut and in so doing enhance your immune function to get over WHATEVER you've got -- whether you test positive to Lyme or not.

I would contact a rheumatologist to find what if any tests are available to detect an acute onset of Lyme. Then, WHATEVER the diagnosis - I would return here to find out how to begin work on resolving leaky gut and regaining normal immune function.

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on November 04, 1998 at 21:08:48:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 10:53:28:

Bob,

Thanks for your insite.

I don't remember any tick bites. I am going on symptoms of Lyme which I have been reading about. It is called the great mimicker. So should I resolve leaky gut and then test for Lyme (chronic not acute ). Treatment is antibiotics for months !! Now wouldn't that undo the healing of the gut ?

Answer me this. I have a gut feeling that antibiotics are worse or more detrimental for Hunter-Gatherers than Agriculturists. True ? Or am I out there ?

Susan



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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Nancy on November 04, 1998 at 22:03:49:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on November 03, 1998 at 22:52:12:

Hi, Susan

One of my "cyberfriends" by the name of Dianne, has been dx'd with Lyme disease. She made some posts on this board about it. She lives in the Pacific Northwest, where the ticks are prevalent, but for 20+ years, nobody correctly dx'd her till a couple of months ago. If you're interested in corresponding with her, email me at the blue name above, and I'll connect the two of you, or find her posts and go from there. She has done an immense amount of research. Good luck to you in your healing!
Nancy



Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 23:12:01:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on November 04, 1998 at 21:08:48:

Susan,

I doubt that you have Lyme if you haven't had any tick bites BUT if you think that you'll be asking yourself whether you DO have Lyme a couple of dozen times a day then go ahead and get yourself tested an get a little peace of mind.

Either way you should go about taking care of that leaky gut ASAP!

I don't have any gut feeling or objective evidence to support that antibiotics are more detrimental for one metabolic type versus another. Am I missing something?

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 1998 at 10:00:20:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 23:12:01:

Dear Bob,

Most people with Lyme do not recall any tick bites.

However, I agree totally with your approach to this situation.

I would probably do a Lyme test so I would have the option of using an antibiotic for an acute case. I am not sure I would use an antibiotic for a chronic case since the symptoms are no longer due to an active infection but to the body's response to the original infection.

In the end, the most important thing is to deal with why THIS person was susceptible to the infection since dealing with those things is what would reverse the chronic problem anyhow.

Walt



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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on November 06, 1998 at 21:27:47:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 1998 at 10:00:20:

Dr. Stoll,

Thank you for your input ! I have been doing research on the web concerning Lyme disease and wonder if I am a candidate because I relate to some of the symptoms. Also many people are misdiagnosed ( NO ! ) as you know with CFS, IBS, TMJ, etc. As you said many do not remember a tick bit and many do not have a rash. So I can not help but think I might be positive for chronic lyme, given the proper test.

IF I have chronic Lyme, would my susceptibilty be because of LGS and therefore the solution would be your three- legged protocol ? No antibiotics, the thought of which make me cringe ?

If the original infection was never diagnosed or dealt with, wouldn't antibiotics be the best solution ?

I need help !

Thank you,
Susan


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on November 06, 1998 at 21:56:06:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 04, 1998 at 23:12:01:


Bob,

As far as antibiotics being more detrimental tto H-G's than agriculturists I was thinking in terms that H-G's seem to be less adapted to "recent inventions" so to speak. Antibiotics being one of them.

As far as testing for chronic Lyme the question is which is the appropriate test ? There are several but not all are accurate.

Thanks,

Susan


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 06, 1998 at 23:57:34:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on November 06, 1998 at 21:56:06:

Susan,

I would get the most accurate test for Lyme that I could and then just go with the results as far as the anti-biotics are concerned. In other words -- if positive I'd give the antibiotics a go -- if negative I'd say no to the antibiotics.

In both cases you'll want to do EVERYTHING that you can to enhance your natural immunity because that is what is going to get you to feeling better.

I don't think that H-G's would be less adapted to antibiotics versus Agriculturists or Mixed metabolic types.

Bob



Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 1998 at 10:36:28:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on November 06, 1998 at 21:27:47:

Dear Susan,

Remind me as to how long you have had the "Lyme"symptoms. Also, a test might help at this time although it wouldn't change my treatment for myself much at this time. I seem to remeber that you may have had this for years.

NOBODY can go wrong doing wellness for ANY chronic condition. Depending on one's "diagnoses" other things might help one get better faster.

Walt



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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan MIerswa on November 07, 1998 at 16:33:20:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 1998 at 10:36:28:

Dr. Stoll,

I haven't worked in 5 1/2 years but I haven't ever felt good. And the last 20 have been the worst. I am 42.

Susan



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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 07, 1998 at 18:25:14:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Susan MIerswa on November 07, 1998 at 16:33:20:

Susan,

Why don't you run the elimination diet. You'll know within 48 hours of starting if you have significant food allergens (which would mean that you MUST have Leaky Gut Syndrome).

Then continue the diet for another 48 hours and witness firsthand how these food allergens and leaky gut contribute to your symptoms.

Finally after 5-6 days on the elimination diet you will be rewarded by feeling better than you have in the last 5 years.

IF ANY of this works it might suggest to you that you don't have Lyme disease. You could further confirm this by going ahead and getting the appropriate tests.

Does this sound like a logical approach?

Bob


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Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Susan mMierswa on November 08, 1998 at 22:09:02:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on November 07, 1998 at 18:25:14:

Bob,

Running the elimination diet is the logical approach and plan to do just that. I don't relish the withdrawal symptoms that others talk about, but it definitely sounds worth it. I will let you know when I start.

Susan




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