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Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Sara on November 27, 1998 at 22:24:37:

Walt & Robert,

I have been following, with great interest, the Nystatin reactions string below. I plan to start on the 'third leg of the stool' after the holidays due to C-RS. My doctor has agreed to prescribe nystatin if I want it, but said he will support me in using grapefruit seed extract, which is what I'm leaning towards. He of course told me that I have to change my diet, which I already knew, but now I'm confused about which diet to start. My doctor is pushing the Type O diet, which I had already tried (for different reasons) over a year ago, but really lost weight (and I'm one that really could put on a few pounds rather than lose it). I had planned to go on the Whole Foods diet and have Beth Loiselle's book already. But now I'm wondering if Robert's diet would be better for me. I had planned a few months back to eventually try it, but when my doctor said I had C-RS, I figured I would have to go on some other diet. I didn't think the metabolic diets were also effective in the fight against C-RS. From what I read in the string below, I guess I was wrong. Some advise please?

Thanks,
Sara


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Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 27, 1998 at 22:43:17:

In Reply to: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Sara on November 27, 1998 at 22:24:37:

Sarah,

First of all if you want to fight C-RS and win you will need to go on a whole foods diet. This just means that you will have to eat foods exclusively in their whole form.

You should also eliminate major food allergens. The ONLY effective way of doing that is to run the ELIMINATION DIET found in the archive section of this web site.

You should start re-introducing the foods that are appropriate to your metabolic type. What is your metabolic type? Remember, the 3 different metabolic diets that I suggest have NOTHING TO DO WITH BLOOD TYPE DIETS.

Since you are blood type O you should leave the following foods out of your diet due to lectin reactions.
Wheat
Corn
Kidney Beans
Lentils
Cabbage
Brussel Sprouts
Cauliflower
Mustard Greens
Potato

Bob


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metabolic type

Posted by Huy on November 28, 1998 at 09:25:04:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on November 27, 1998 at 22:43:17:

How do you determine your metabolic type. My blood type is A.

Huy


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Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 10:13:22:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on November 27, 1998 at 22:43:17:

Bob,

Thanks for your response. I already know I will need to be eating foods in their whole form, I am just trying to determine if your metabolic diets are also useful against C-RS.

I know metabolic type has nothing to do with blood type, and I already have the elimination diet printed out, as well as the three specific diets, in case I will be using them. If your diets are effective against C-RS, I would need to find out which diet would be right for me. I have forgotten how that is determined.

Sara


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Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 11:40:36:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 10:13:22:

Sara,

Eating a diet mismatched to your inherited metabolic type is like fighting your own physiology. Why swim against the current when you can swim with it?

I have very little doubt that swimming with your metabolic current is critical for your immune function -- and in my estimation there is NOTHING more critical in resolving C-RS than optimizing immune function. In other words it won't do you much good to be eating a high protein and very low carb diet (with the intention of 'starving' yeast) if your immunity is de-railed in the process.

Your true metabolic identity will reveal itself more clearly during the latter phases of the elimination diet. If you are an Agriculturist you will find that you do quite well on just the vegetables and a bit of fruit for each meal -- having some fish only for dinner.

On the other hand if you are a Hunter-Gatherer you will find that you are almost immediately hungry again (within 2 hours after eating) if you don't have some fish with each meal. You might find that you have to eat 4 meals to keep you satiated.

Beyond that if coffee or caffeinated drinks make you feel GREAT then you are probably an Agriculturist. Conversely if you find that after drinking a couple of cups of coffee (or other caffeinated drink) without eating anything that you will become shakey or not feel too well then you are probably a Hunter-gatherer.

Hunter-gatherers tend to eat small meals throughout the day to ward off their hypo-glycemic tendancies. Agriculturists can go long periods of time during the day (5 hours or more) with nothing more than a cup of coffee and feel fine.

Generally speaking H-G's tend to have low uric acid values, very low or very high cholesterol and usually fairly good HDL/LDL cholesterol levels.

Agriculturists tend to have poor HDL/LDL ratios, higher cholesterol and uric acid values.

Finally -- each metabolic diet will deliver noticable different energy yields. The one that gives you the MOST energy defines your inherited metabolism.

Bob


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Re: metabolic type

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 11:44:23:

In Reply to: metabolic type posted by Huy on November 28, 1998 at 09:25:04:

Huy,

Please see my recent post to Sarah to determine your metabolic type.

Bob



Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 13:50:28:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 11:40:36:

Bob,

I have no idea what affect caffeine would have on me - I gave it up years ago. I don't know what my uric acid values are, and I think the last time I was tested for hypoglycemia was in my last pregnancy (19 years ago). I DO know that my cholesterol level is 198, with an HDL of 75, and LDL of 105 (my doctor told me this was good?). I am at the lowest end of the scale for weight (for my height), and could really put on a few pounds. I can go for hours in the morning and afternoon without eating (I try not to, for obvious reasons, but the point is I don't have much of an appetite early in the day). However, in the evening I am eating constantly and can't seem to get enough.

So, your guess is as good as mine. If I need some bloodtests to determine the correct metabolic type I am, I could have them done when I see my doctor the middle of December. Just let me know what I should have him test me for. Also, I am real concerned about doing the elimination diet, because I can lose weight real quick, and it takes awhile for me to put it back on.

Thanks for your help,
Sara


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Just found uric acid level

Posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 13:54:01:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 11:40:36:

Bob,

Just found the value on my bloodtests (sorry). It was 2.7. I hadn't ever noticed it before.

Sara


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Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 17:10:34:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 13:50:28:

Sara,

Me thinks you be a Hunter-gatherer or Mixed metabolic type.

There is no need get extra lab tests.

Since I always have folks start at the EXTREME ends of the spectrum and adjust as needed to the middle you will be testing the recommended foods from the Hunter-gatherer diet after you have cleared on the Elimination diet.

Since you are concerned about weight loss I'll let you add lamb to your list of 'safe' foods that you'll be able to eat during the Elimination diet phase.

As you probably already know -- the H-G diet is high in fat and purine rich dark meats and fishes. Fruit is only used very sparingly by H-G's. There are a number of purine rich vegetables. This should allay any fears that you have about consuming too much carbohydrate that might stimulate yeast growth.

Your ability to go long periods of time in the morning without food is not unusual. The key is that if you don't eat ANYTHING your blood sugar will remain relatively stable and you will pull most of your energy from your major metabolic pathway which is the conversion of energy intermediates in the liver.

HOWEVER, one you eat any kind of carbohydrate with a meal this sends a STRONG signal to your pancreas to release insulin. Since all H-G's only require a very modest amount of carbohydrate to stimulate insulin release -- the problem begins when you eat TOO MUCH carbohydrate and your pancreas goes into overdrive. The result is called hyper-insulinism. This over-production of insulin results in a dramatic drop in your blood sugar. This is when you start feeling most of your symptoms -- including hunger. You eat every two hours or so to 'buoy' your blood sugar levels throughout the evening.

Bob


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Re: Just found uric acid level

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 17:23:00:

In Reply to: Just found uric acid level posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 13:54:01:

Sara,

As you can see that uric acid value is actually low and outside of the normal range. Your physician was probably very happy to report that you would NEVER get gout.

Gout is a condition that is caused by a build-up of uric acid. If an Agriculturist eats a purine rich meal (say a lot of dark meat turkey) their metabolism converts the purines into uric acid which is then excreted from the body.

When that same Agriculturist eats TOO MUCH PURINE RICH FOOD and/or they are taking a diuretic drug the concentration of uric acid rises quickly and uric acid crystals can form in joints (usually the large joint of the big toe). This creates inflammation and PAIN!

You on the other hand are a H-G. Hunter-gatherers ACTUALLY USE PURINES IN THE BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAY THAT CREATES ENERGY. Simply put, you burn purines while your Agriculturist counterpart has to excrete them.

Since you burn purines, there are very little left to be converted into uric acid. This is why your uric acid is so low.

I mentioned in a previous post that a cholesterol that was too low is indicative of metabolic trouble. The same is true for overly low uric acid levels.

Bob



Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 28, 1998 at 18:41:05:

In Reply to: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Sara on November 27, 1998 at 22:24:37:

Dear Sara,

Anytime there is this much controversy about anything, it means that we still have a lot to learn about it. If we knew all the answers everyone would be doing the same thing.

ALL I can say is that I have about 15 years of experience with this and this is what I have found.

When I first learned about C-RS from Orian Truss, MD (1977) i used the standard anti-candida diets that everyone writes about. I found the same results: patients improved (slowly) over about a year or so and when I tried to stop their treatment after about 2 years, 95% of them relapsed.

Once Beth Lioselle, RD and I worked together, the patients were well within 3-6 months and there was only a 5% relapse rate IF the patient continued to work with the causes of their LGS.

It seems to me that results spoke for themselves. I know how to do it both ways and which way worked best. I did not know about the stuff Bob teaches back then so I have no comparison with that.

As Bob says: This is about choices----------INFORMED CHOICES. No one can choose this but the patient and they have to learn to be competent to MAKE those choices.

Walt



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Informed choices

Posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 19:21:05:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Walt Stoll on November 28, 1998 at 18:41:05:

Walt,

Thanks so much for your response. The information I have received from you and Bob will help me to make an informed choice. I know what might be right for one person might not be right for another, so I wanted as much information/input from you and Bob as I could get to help me to make the correct diet choice for myself. As always, I greatly appreciate your advise.

Sara



Thanks Bob...

Posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 19:29:48:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on November 28, 1998 at 17:10:34:

Bob,

Now that I have both your opinion and Walt's, I can make a decision as to which diet I will start on after the holidays. I really appreciate your help, and if I do start on the metabolic diet (which I am leaning towards), I will be in touch with you, because the elimination diet is going to be a real challenge for me!

Sara


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Re: Thanks Bob...

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 29, 1998 at 00:08:29:

In Reply to: Thanks Bob... posted by Sara on November 28, 1998 at 19:29:48:

Sarah,

I did want to note that your weight will normalize up once you eat the appropriate metabolic diet.

I'm 6'3". When I was healthy my weight was about 185 lbs. When I became ill with rheumatoid arthritis my weight initially dropped to 168 lbs. due to significant muscle atrophy (I was completely bedridden at the time). Then after being on some 6 different drugs for 9 months my arthritis got to the point where I was not COMPLETELY bedridden. Of course I could just barely walk and couldn't even contemplate any kind of exercise. My weight rose to 205.

I learned about things like food allergies and the yeast phenomenon and was able to wean off almost all my drugs. Unfortunately my weight tumbled down to 138. That's no typo.

With God's grace I 'met' Walt when he was Medical Advisor for Prodigy's Holistic Medicine BB. I started eating whole foods exclusively and practiced skilled relaxation in addition to taking anti-fungal medication. After another year following this program I was able to get my weight up to 155 but I was stuck there. Fatigue still forced me to nap 1-2 hours in the early afternoon. My blood work was improved but not normal. Uric acid was abnormally low and cholesterol was 89. An amino acid profile showed that I was deficient in 38 of 40 amino acids.

I was stuck. I wasn't getting any better.

With the discovery of the metabolic types and a little anthropology research I was able to 'put it all together'. I realized that removing food allergens and just eating whole foods might be enough for some folks but it wasn't enough for me. I had an EXTREME metabolism.

Once I changed to the H-G diet I felt an IMMEDIATE increase in energy. During the next three months I felt a little better every day. My weight finally started to increase. After 3 months I was only deficient in 2 of the 40 amino acids tested. My cholesterol rose to 190 and my already good HDL/LDL levels actually improved (more HDL)! My other arthritis related blood work values were all normal. My weight during this three month period normalized to 173 lbs. -- pretty much where it is today.

I know that some folks can get well by just eating whole foods. For others (especially those with an EXTREME metabolism) it will not be enough.

The simple fact that many folks that develop chronic illness possess EXTREME metabolisms leads me to believe that eating a diet mismatched to inherited metabolism is a major physiological stressor -- one that is seldom diagnosed.

Bob


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Re: Thanks Bob...

Posted by Sara on November 29, 1998 at 12:48:16:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Bob... posted by Robert McFerran on November 29, 1998 at 00:08:29:

Bob,

Sounds like you have really been through it, health-wise. Maybe it was so you would create the metabolic diets. They sure seem to be helping alot of people, from what I've read on this BB.

I guess you could say I have an extreme metabolism; I can lose 5 pounds with almost no effort. I am 5'8" and currently weigh 138; I recently put on some weight, probably because I quit smoking. I have always had a hard time putting weight on, and at times had to really work just to maintain the weight I had. I was sickly as a kid, and when I was 20 I developed Graves' Disease, right after the birth of my first child (my weight went down to 107, from a pregnancy weight of 170). I have had many other problems through the years; ovarian cysts, gallstones and gallbladder disease, 3 months of non-stop bleeding that ended with a hysterectomy, IBS, chronic fatigue, chronic muscle spasms, systemic yeast, bursitis in my hip, etc. Almost everything is under control now, except for the systemic yeast and a recent flare-up of the bursitis. The chronic fatigue seems to be gone, but I still don't really have the level of energy that I once had. And my thyroid levels (I had a thyroidectomy after the Graves' and am on Synthroid) don't seem to want to normalize, going from hyper earlier this year after being switched to Armour and put on too much, to hypo here recently (even though now I am back on the dose of Synthroid that previously put me in the normal range).

There is a strong family history of arthritis, and both of my parents have it. I guess that is one thing that is swaying me towards your diets; maybe, hopefully, some protection against it?

I know I am getting there, health-wise, thanks in large part to Dr. Stoll. I have been doing the SR for I guess five months now, and the exercise for about two-three. I stopped smoking a little over a month ago, and now I just need to change my diet to get rid of the C-RS. I am hoping the diet will also give me some more energy. I was glad to hear that my weight will normalize once I am on the appropriate metabolic diet. I will be in touch with you when I start the elimination diet. Thanks so much for your help!

Sara


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Re: Thanks Bob...

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 29, 1998 at 16:48:27:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Bob... posted by Sara on November 29, 1998 at 12:48:16:

Sara,

I'm sure that Walt has already told you that ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS were due to the SAME MECHANISM. I just wanted to say it again.

Bob



Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by VickiR on November 30, 1998 at 11:30:58:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on November 27, 1998 at 22:43:17:

Bob, maybe I skimmed through ER4YT too quickly, but I find I don't have a good understanding of what a lectin reaction really is. I read about how it "agglutinates" the blood, but what does that really mean in terms of how one feels? Are there particular types of symptoms associated with a lectin reaction? My type-O husband ate corn yesterday and within a couple of hours was experiencing lethargy, general malaise, and emotional disturbance (HIS typical food-allergy reaction). He had a similar experience a week ago. Was this a lectin reaction?????
Vicki



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Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on November 30, 1998 at 12:37:23:

In Reply to: Re: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by VickiR on November 30, 1998 at 11:30:58:

Vicki,

You ask a good question. I wish I had an easy comprehensive answer, but I don't.

I guess the best and MOST CORRECT way to term what is going on when someone is adversely effected by a food is to say that IT'S A MALADAPTIVE REACTION. Dr. Theron Randolph coined this phrase in his book AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO ALLERGIES.

The reality is that person is poorly ADAPTED TO that food (or form of food). The biochemical pathways that the body uses to deal with the poorly adapted food are many.

In some cases the lectin (a protein) component of a specific food could react directly with surface tissues, internal tissues or a certain component of blood. Because blood circulates throughout the body certain lectins can be carried to specific tissues where they have an affinity. A few lectins probably do little damage HOWEVER an accumulation at a certain tissue sight can trigger a cascade of inflammation.

I guess that I really shouldn't be commenting on this since it's my interpretation. Maybe you would be good enough to go to Dr. D'Adamo's bulletin board and ask him what is really going on here?

I guess to me once you know that eating corn is producing some sort of MALADAPTIVE REACTION it really doesn't matter why -- you are simply maladapted to it.

Bob



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Posted by Sharon on December 01, 1998 at 10:51:17:

In Reply to: Anti-candida diet: ATTN Walt and Robert posted by Sara on November 27, 1998 at 22:24:37:

There is a great thread on www.dadamo.com today about needing to gain weight, and not loose it, while doing the O diet. I think you can combine the O food choices with another diet and get the outcome you desire. I would hate to see you abandon it completely. So many people have had great success with it.

Best wishes.

Sharon



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Type O Diet

Posted by Sara on December 01, 1998 at 13:51:13:

In Reply to: The posted by Sharon on December 01, 1998 at 10:51:17:

Sharon,

I was on the type O diet for many months, starting about 1 1/2 years ago. I found D'Adamo less than sympathetic to the needs of those that are underweight, and after a couple of months of numerous posts trying to get some assistance from him in that area, he finally did post, telling me what foods I could add to my diet in my attempt to gain weight. It didn't work. The diet didn't do anything to help my poor health at the time, and CyberMage (remember him?) finally e-mailed me one day to recommend this site (bless him for that). The only thing the type diet did for me was get rid of my IBS (wheat elimination), but it was at the expense of 5-10 pounds. However, it's funny how I can eat wheat now without any problems, now that I am practicing SR and am exercising.

I realize that the type diets are great for some people, but they aren't for everyone.

Sara


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Re: Type O Diet AND (SR testimonial)

Posted by Walt Stoll on December 02, 1998 at 10:20:56:

In Reply to: Type O Diet posted by Sara on December 01, 1998 at 13:51:13:

Thanks, Sara, for your wonderful testimonial------especially the next to last sentence. People find it hard to believe that longstanding chronic conditions will totally resolve by attacking the problem at its source with an effective skilled relaxation technique.

Keep it up. You will continue to gain additional benefits for at least the first 5 years (IF you have been doing it at least twice a day.).

Namaste` Walt




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