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Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert

Posted by Peter Wray on January 15, 1999 at 14:01:25:

We have finally found a local physician practicing complimentary med. He had a conventional practice for about 15 years and for a variety of very good reasons, left to study alternative med. for a couple of years. He has just re-openned his practice so I wanted to bounce his thoughts off both of you and anyone else who cares to respond.

This all began a couple of years ago with joint and muscle pain. More recently the symptoms have progressed to constipation and nausea (yes I've written about this a number of times on this BB). The connection that is being made now is between antibiotics and a flare-up of candida and/or intestinal parasites.

Linda has been on a perfect whole food diet for about two weeks now. Can't say that this seems to have helped, but we know it certainly hasn't hurt. she has been wheat and dairy free (with the exception of kefir).

New doctor is suggesting she take UltraInflamx and eat only vegetables for the next 3-4 days and take Para-gard (an herbal anti-parasitic [garlic, goldenseal etc]). Initially he had suggested flagyl, but because it is also an antibiotic, he felt the para-gard route was better.

I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks

Peter


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Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 15, 1999 at 17:09:50:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert posted by Peter Wray on January 15, 1999 at 14:01:25:

Peter,

Why is it that every person that I've ever worked with that had any type of rheumatological problem was ALWAYS eating a diet mismatched to their inherited metabolism the years prior to onset?

Why is it that they almost always tend to have an EXTREME metabolism (i.e. - a Hunter-gatherer that does best with very little carbohydrate or an Agriculturist that must avoid any foods with significant purines and fat)?

Linda needs to run the elimination diet. She then needs to begin testing foods designed for her metabolic type. She needs to exclude a handful of foods that have known lectins that react with her blood type. She needs to realize that her BEST DIET is her heritage -- as much as the color of her eyes or hair.

She needs to get the Candida Immune Complexes test done from Antibody Assays to once an for all determine if she has candida overload.

She needs to run the pepto-bismol test to check for gram negative bacterial overload.

Eating vegetables exclusively, while drinking kefir, and taking a herbal anti-parasitic will only get her more of the same -- little or no results.

I think that you know the recommendations that have been discussed here on this BB are state of the art compared to what your new doc is suggesting. Of course his suggestions are easier to comply with -- but unfortunately they will not deliver the same results.

I do see a very unfortunate trend happening in Allopathic medicine -- and that is the advent of practicioners that label themselves as COMPLEMENTARY medical professionals when all that they have added to their bag of trick is a few herbal or homeopathic remedies and overly simplistic dietary suggestions. Patients long seeking a cure will enthusiastically support these 'new' physicians until they realize that their symptoms are still there. My concern then is that they will reject ALL alternatives and in effect throw the baby out with the bath water.

Bob




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Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert

Posted by Peter Wray on January 16, 1999 at 10:19:45:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on January 15, 1999 at 17:09:50:

Robert,
Can you tell me more about the Candida Immune Complexes test done from Antibody Assays and the pepto-bismol test to check for gram negative bacterial overload?

I believe what this doctor is trying to do is an elimination diet similar to the 20-day 4R diet. I guess the difference is that one is using the UltraInflamX as the source of nutrition rather than whole foods.

Part of the challenge is finding someone locally who can provide on-going support.




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Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1999 at 11:26:26:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert posted by Peter Wray on January 15, 1999 at 14:01:25:

Dear Peter,

SO, Linda is NOT dairy free! The slightest trace of dairy (if that is any part of her problem) will cause just as much problem as a LOT. Besides that, she will never get past her hypersensitivity to dairy so long as she continues to "innoculate" herself with it every so often. This is an immunological reaction NOT a volume one.

It is no wonder she has seen no benefits. If she was truly free of her sensitivities, she would have seen much benefit by now.

Of course, your complEmentary doc knows that she has LGS and the things he is choosing to concentrate on are the effects of that LGS. Dealing with those effects may give quicker results but the only thing, in the long run, that will reasove the problem is dealing with the LGS.

Your doc will be the first to tell you that he is just now "dipping his toe" in the ocean of new things for him to learn!

After spending thousands of hours learning, teaching & practicing this new stuff (more than 15 years) I was more & more convinced that I was only just scratching the surface of what there is to know. Be patient with him while he learns. He has done the hardest thing already: deciding to go beyond his conventional training.

The best thing for both of you is for you to continue doing what you have been so apparently doing: keep learning as fast as you can.

Let us know what happens.

Walt




Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 16, 1999 at 12:42:16:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert posted by Peter Wray on January 16, 1999 at 10:19:45:

Peter,

Info on the Candida Immune Complexes test can be found at http://www.antibodyassay.com/candida2.htm

The pepto test consists of taking 4 pepto bismol tablets right before going to bed. Folks that note a decided IMPROVEMENT in their symptoms the next morning probably have a gram negative bacterial overload and need to pursue a pulsed dosing regimine protocol that I've developed to help rebalance gut flora. NOTE - The pepto bismol test can only be run after 'clearing' on the 6 day elimination diet found in the archive section of this web site.

There is a problem with the IntraInflamX in that it's not really appropriate for ANY metabolic type. Even if Linda got some results from it, they would be short lived and give her absolutely no insight as to what she should eat when she stops taking it.

The problem is that you know more than your doctor about this stuff from what you've learned on this BB. Will you pay him for his well-meaning, yet ineffective therapies all in exchange for a little support?

Bob




Elimination Diet - Robert

Posted by Peter Wray on January 17, 1999 at 15:20:05:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet - para-gard & UltraInflamX - Walt and Robert posted by Robert McFerran on January 15, 1999 at 17:09:50:

I understand what you are saying Robert, so here's the situation. Linda has eliminated many of the tougher foods (coffee was a big one as well as wheat and dairy). She is supposed to go for a barium enema on Friday. I think she has reached that point where she has to do the elimination diet. Given that prepration for the barium enema is the first step of the 6-day elimination diet here are a couple of questions.

Constipation has been a very significant problem over the past three months. If this is still a problem during the process of the elimination diet, is it OK to take pure psylium? If not, what would you suggest.

Thanks

Peter


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Re: Elimination Diet - Robert

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 17, 1999 at 19:57:41:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet - Robert posted by Peter Wray on January 17, 1999 at 15:20:05:

Peter,

I have NEVER found anyone to be constipated on the 'safe' foods of the elimination diet -- so forget the psylium and any other bulking agents. What is creating constipation is the INFLAMMATION created by certain foods -- it has absolutely nothing to do with fiber.

Constipation always starts rearing it's ugly head when folks start cheating -- especially with ANY of the grain or grain alternatives and milk. The vegetables on the elimination diet all are excellent sources of soluble and insoluble fibers. In other words it's all you need.

Finally, CLOSE only wins in horseshoes. If Linda wants to get results she will have to follow my Elimination diet protocol with PRECISION. Anything less won't do and is just a waste of her time.

If I were to have a barium enema a would consider a series of 3 colon-hydrotherapy treatments within a 7 day period shortly thereafter.

Bob





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