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Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 08:18:59:

On average, how soon would one expect to notice improvements?

In the Whole Foods book it suggests that most people notice a
difference in two weeks on a PWFD, so would it be reasonable to
assume the same (or say, maybe a month) for an elimination diet (the
contents of which would obviously have to be consistent with a
PWFD)?


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by michele [3355.4368] on August 27, 2008 at 08:22:58:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet Question posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 08:18:59:

when I did alcat, (which I know you may not like) I noticed it in two
days - why? Because you KNOW you don't GUESS at your foods...and
it is there in black and white what your cells react to, not just "what
you feel".

I stopped all the red and yellow (labeled) foods and in two days, had
no symptoms such as IBS-like, gas, joint pain, fatigue... my son
stopped immediately with headaches.
Of course, you get tested for 150 (or up to 800 I think) foods - and
you eliminate ALL of the red and yellow flag foods IMMEDIATELY and
then rotate the OK ones.... so, you totally avoid the weeks of hit or
miss and trial and error and human error based upon what you
THINK is compared to what IS.

So to answer - a true awareness should be as quick as two days.
when the offending food is out of your system, your body doesn't
react.


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by Melanie [80.5105] on August 27, 2008 at 08:47:48:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet Question posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 08:18:59:

I'm interested in this book and diet. I have no idea what PWFD means either. Can you point me in the right direction to get this started?

Thanks so much!

Melanie


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 09:02:10:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet Question posted by michele [3355.4368] on August 27, 2008 at 08:22:58:

I have no problem with the alcat test (except the price - yikes!!!).

My IgG blood test lists about 35 food (groups) with a very light
reaction (categories are no reaction/very light/light/moderate/
strong) - so just a bunch of green flags (green in this case doesn't
mean okay, just light reaction), no yellow or red.

Anyway, thanks for the answer! I really appreciate it from someone
who has direct experience.


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 09:06:04:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet Question posted by Melanie [80.5105] on August 27, 2008 at 08:47:48:

PWFD is the abbreviation for "Perfect Whole Foods Diet," it is not an
elimination diet as it is generally understood in allergy terms. Rather
it eliminates all processed foods (there are exceptions). I'm sure
somebody here will remember the name and title of the
recommended book.


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.4757] on August 27, 2008 at 09:07:21:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet Question posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 08:18:59:

Hi Eric,

I've seen different versions of the elimination diet. Some say to stay off the food being tested for 4 days, others say 7. So you stay off the one food for between 4 and 7 days, then eat it again to see if you have a reaction. That's how the elimination diet works.

Are you thinking of the "safe diet" in Beth Loiselle's book, Healing Power of Whole Foods? In that one, you go off ALL foods that you customarily eat for a while, to give your body a break.

Best wishes,
Jan


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 09:43:56:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet Question posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.4757] on August 27, 2008 at 09:07:21:

Interesting, I had forgotten about the "safe diet" in the book. No, I
was thinking of eliminating the foods that I tested as having a
reaction to (albiet a low reaction) and only having the one's that there
was no reaction to in whole form.

It is a bit difficult because I have so many. Therefore, I want a
relatively quick answer through elimination before I try to work out a
rotation plan. I don't want to obsess over or spend the time on
something that may or may not help unless I'm sure that it'll help in
some fashion because the effort ITSELF would be very stressful, and
managing stress is by far my most important issue in my opinion.

So, by elimination diet I meant eliminate those items that
demonstrate an immune response. (This, in itself, will be a major
effort, I literally have no grains, none! I guess that leaves Quinoa,
which I fortunately have access to and like, and Amaranth, which I
don't like. Urgh. Funny thing, while there was a reaction to grains,
there was no reaction to gluten, go figure... reminds me of the old
joke, the teeth are fine but the gums have to go, LOL.)


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on August 28, 2008 at 06:57:43:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet Question posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 08:18:59:

Hi, Eric.

Listen to Jan.

Walt


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Re: Elimination Diet Question

Posted by michele [3355.4368] on August 28, 2008 at 08:24:59:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet Question posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 27, 2008 at 09:43:56:

I do respect Walt and Jan and the author of the safe diet but I see
some major failings here.

OK say (as most people) you go off your common foods; well we
already know in science you should rotate so of course you will feel
a little better going off those foods. No rocket science there.

However, when you ADD other foods, are you really giving your body
a "break"? No. Why? because food should NOT be taxing EVER. The
reason the common foods are an issue is not only or just because of
the amount eaten, where your mast cells start to see it as an invader,
but because there is an underlying inflammation issue.

I am of full belief that one has to work through the chemical issues
to get to a point where you CAN eat most anything without
symtpoms - food is fuel for cells and should not be given the
commonplace myth that it should be avoided barring temporarily.

So, to me, if you go on a safe diet, what are you really accomplishing
long term?
Nothing.
If you go on a hit or miss elimination, you are really only eliminating
the obvious or what you perceive is your triggers....

I know the alcat is expensive but, it is to me, worth it for long term
health. I've added some items and have had no problem at all.
My son has also.

However, some items are problematic; and for you, in that it is a lot
of grain - we can see more that the mast cells don't want grain -
and I would bet you have seasonal allergies on top of this - so you
need to address this.

Your mast cells need four months (alcat does six for safety) to renew
and replace enough that they gain strength - realizing this means a
stronger reaction with food which is actually welcomed.

I'd skip the safe diet unless you just want a vacation from your
favorite foods and want to play roulette with some non fav's... no one
ever said the non fav's are NOT going to be reactive!

I never eat limes and one of my bigger reactors is lime... go figure.


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Re: Elimination Diet Question -- Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on August 29, 2008 at 07:39:22:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet Question posted by michele [3355.4368] on August 28, 2008 at 08:24:59:

Thanks, Michele.

Remember that the true solution is resolving the LGS which is the actual cause of most food sensitivities. Simply diddling around with the elimination diets can produce quick results but, in the long run mostly simply makes the experience of life narrower and narrower over the years. The idea is to make the experience of life wider and wider even though it takes longer.

Hope this helps.

Walt


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Re: Elimination Diet Question -- Archive

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.4217] on August 29, 2008 at 10:19:51:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet Question -- Archive posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on August 29, 2008 at 07:39:22:

Actually I mostly agree. If the integrity of the barrier is compromised
more peptides can pass, if it is restored, they can't. No peptides, no
allergy response.

By way of an elimination diet based on an IgG test I'm looking for
confirmation that many of my troubles are related to one basic issue
and have no intention of narrowing my life over the remaining years.
This would be a short, one month test.

Unfortunately, the more I learn the greater importance is placed on
finding a way to "let go," and to achieve true SR because I have yet to
find a treatment for LGS based on any physical substance that seems
to make sense in the long term. Leave us say that my family of origin
did a real number on my head, severely crippling me in this area.

By way of metaphor, it is like someone trying to learn to walk a
tightrope who is plagued with a damaged inner-ear. While certainly
not impossible the effort and dedication required versus even your
average guy on the street is tremendous. That is why learning SR is
work for me.


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