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Robert McFerran...How would you...

Posted by trish on January 20, 1999 at 18:40:25:

change the Elimination Diet to acccomodate someone who has candida? As you know I am preparing to embark on this Elimination journey soon - Feb 4th is my starting date.

I had candida immune complexes in May of 1997 as follows: IgG 9.0, IgA 2.0, IgM 1.0.

In May of 1998, after following D'Adamo's O diet with candida restrictions, my antibodies were:
IgG 3.0, IgA 1.0, IgM 2.0.

In August of 1998, I had an Urine Indican of 1+ indicating LGS, and Plasma Histamine of 0.82 (proving to my doctor that my symptoms wer due to LGS and NOT allergies).

By now, with my horrible refined carbohydrate and sugar laden diet, I'm sure my candida is raging, though I never had huge symptoms other than exhaustion, which is a minor factor right now.

Do I need to cut out the pears and peaches from the E diet? What about sweet potatoes and parsnips? I'm wondering mostly about the vegetables, as I am sure you'll say the fruits are out. How do you feel about including lamb if we already know I'm an H-G?

Thanks in advance for your reply. It will be one more clarification for me. I have to get to Whole Foods to order mackeral and trout still...

By the way, thanks also for all your help so far thru the e-mail I really appreciate it!


trish


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Re: Robert McFerran...How would you...

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 20, 1999 at 22:41:34:

In Reply to: Robert McFerran...How would you... posted by trish on January 20, 1999 at 18:40:25:

Trish,

As you know the foods on the elimination diet are pretty limited -- and for a good reason. We are trying to detect any hidden food allergens. So I'm going to suggest that you keep the fruit in while running the elimination diet. For three weeks you will be testing the various foods on the Hunter-gatherer diet. As you expand your list of 'safe' foods you will stop eating the peaches and sweet potatoes (since they are inappropriate for H-G's).

Dr. Wiley did a lot of research with folks that had candida overload. He found that eating fruits appropriate to your metabolic type did not cause yeast to flourish. I believe him.

Refined sugar is a different animal. We know that it not only provides a readily accessible food for yeast but MORE IMPORTANTLY it dramatically reduces immunity.

The fruit issue won't be much of an issue if you are a H-G. You won't be eating much of it. Parsnips are something that you can enjoy during the elimination diet and should continue to be eaten on a routine basis as a part of the H-G diet.

Feel free to eat lamb during the elimination diet.

All grains and grain substitues as well as milk and milk products are the most problematical foods for H-G's.

What anti-fungals do you plan on using?

Bob


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Antifungals

Posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 09:49:09:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran...How would you... posted by Robert McFerran on January 20, 1999 at 22:41:34:

Hi again, Bob!

I was thinking of using my refill prescription for nystatin tablets. I was taking one 500,000 unit pill four times a day. It seemed to work for me the last time.

What do you think? Any better suggestions?

thanks again!
trish


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Re: Antifungals (AAARRRGGGGHHHH!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1999 at 12:09:13:

In Reply to: Antifungals posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 09:49:09:

Dear trish,

AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!

Taking a 500,000 unit pill of Nystatin is worthless for trying to cure this condition. Any doc who would prescribe it knows nothing about treating Candida-Related Syndrome.

First: The candida grows in the entire intestinal tract which begins with the lips. Any tablet will not dissolve till at least the stomach. That leaves the mouth and esophagus to reinfect the rest of the gut as soon as the Nystatin dose has passed. Remember that Nystatin is not absorbed. That means that it only effects the candida as it passes by.

Next: the Nystatin pills are sugar coated (At least they were the last time I checked.) That, alone, would make it impossible to be perfect about elimination of refined carbohydrates----making your treatment more like 2 years than 3-6 months.

Finally, you need about 750,000 units of Nystatin Powder per dose and slosh each dose around in the mouth for a few minutes before swallowing (at least one hour before a meal & two hours after).

SIGH!

Namaste` Walt



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Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll

Posted by Phyllis A. on January 21, 1999 at 12:38:42:

In Reply to: Robert McFerran...How would you... posted by trish on January 20, 1999 at 18:40:25:

Trish, I look forward to your online updates/progress as I plan to start on Feb. 11 or 18th, after a couple of planned trips (still looking forward to the remaining Rolfing reports ;o} .

Dr. Stoll & Robert M.: From what I learned here, I've self-diagnosed myself with LGS and Candida. I did not have the candida immune complexes. Is this something that I really should do before or after starting the elimination diet and on to the appropriate whole-foods diet?

P.S.: I guess before my big start DAY I should get acrylic nails put on....I didn't notice nail-bitings on the elimination diet (ha ha he he)! Do we know for a fact that our ancestors didn't intake finger-nails??? They were readily available to both HG's and Agri's.




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AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens!

Posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 12:41:17:

In Reply to: Re: Antifungals (AAARRRGGGGHHHH!) posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1999 at 12:09:13:

Sheesh! Sorry to make you groan so much, Doc!

So, apparently I cured my candida WITHOUT the help of the Nystatin?! Look at my antibody tests...the were in the normal range after that time...I suppose my diet alone did it then. I was VERY strict for a good seven months, eating only meat and greens. What do you think? Do I need to do anything at all in the way of antifungals or just try to control it with diet. I guess I can ask my doctor to prescribe the powder.

As always, thank you so very much for your advice and counsel...
trish


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Re: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll

Posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 13:03:14:

In Reply to: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll posted by Phyllis A. on January 21, 1999 at 12:38:42:

Hi, Phillys!

Sorry about the Rolfing thing - I just couldn't keep up because school and work got so busy...I had my last session a week or so ago, and am planning on doing further movement work with my rolfer because I like her so much and she really helped me. I had a really wierd experience in the second to last session and was pondering how to share it with the board without exposing too much personal information...I'm still struggling with it. I may try to put a recap type thing together for the sessions I missed writing about...If I can get rid of this brain fog and remember them!!!

But I will definitely post about my E diet experiences for all to see...

talk at ya soon!
trish


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Re: Antifungals (AAARRRGGGGHHHH!)

Posted by lm on January 21, 1999 at 14:17:46:

In Reply to: Re: Antifungals (AAARRRGGGGHHHH!) posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1999 at 12:09:13:

Would GSE work as good as Nystatin powder?

LM


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Re: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 21, 1999 at 18:15:32:

In Reply to: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll posted by Phyllis A. on January 21, 1999 at 12:38:42:

Phyllis,

Don't waste your time getting the Candida Immune complexes test done if your physician is unwilling to prescribe something like lamisil or sporanox when it comes back positive.

Once you begin your anti-candida treatment (after the elimination diet) you can re-check by having the test run about every six months to not only get an indication of the status of your candida overload but also your leaky gut.

You can have the test run anytime -- but probably the sooner the better since it takes a couple of weeks to get results in.


Bob



Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens!

Posted by Robin Pollan on January 21, 1999 at 19:40:34:

In Reply to: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens! posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 12:41:17:

Trish,

If you get your doc to prescribe the powder, make sure you are VERY specific when you go to the pharmacy, they regularly try to pawn off Nystatin for external use. Make sure it says that it is for ORAL SUSPENSION (just a tip).

Robin


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Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens!

Posted by d.d. on January 21, 1999 at 23:30:55:

In Reply to: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens! posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 12:41:17:

Hey love,

You know what else you need to do. SR SR SR SR SR!


--d.d.




Re: Antifungals (AAARRRGGGGHHHH!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1999 at 14:53:55:

In Reply to: Re: Antifungals (AAARRRGGGGHHHH!) posted by lm on January 21, 1999 at 14:17:46:

Dear LM,

Recent research seems to say that it does. The jury is still out but I am predicting that, in a few years, GSE will pan out.

The problem will be getting the medical monopoly to accept the evidence since GSE does not require a prescription and MDs will see this as another nibble at their lucrative monopoly.

Walt




Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens!

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1999 at 14:59:15:

In Reply to: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens! posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 12:41:17:

Hi, trish.

SOME people CAN solve C-RS with diet alone. They are in the minority and the reason I spell out the protocols I do is to let people know what gets us the closest to 100% cure.

If you have no symptoms, I certainly would not take any more antifungals. If symptoms come back (which they should not IF you are doing your SR right & regularly) THEN is the time to take Nystatin right. Look at the note yesterday about GSE and my response today.

I NEED a good AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH once in a while (grin).

Walt



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Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens!

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1999 at 15:01:38:

In Reply to: Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens! posted by Robin Pollan on January 21, 1999 at 19:40:34:

Thanks, Robin.

You are EXACTLY RIGHT!

However, what it means (almost certainly) is that the prescribing doc didn't know any better and wrote for the wrong stuff.

Walt




question about rolfing

Posted by lm on January 22, 1999 at 15:06:13:

In Reply to: Re: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 13:03:14:

Dear Trish,

I just started massage this week. I asked the lady about rolfing. She has a friend who does rolfing in this area, but to be rolfed, you must be under the care of a psychiatrist. I guess it has something to do with repressed memory/trauma. Do you know if this requirement is true for most rolfers?

Sincerely
LM


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Re: question about rolfing

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1999 at 15:16:54:

In Reply to: question about rolfing posted by lm on January 22, 1999 at 15:06:13:

Dear LM,

It used to be a requirement for admission to Rolfing School that the applicant already have a degree in Clinical Psychology. Many have a Masters. If it is no longer a requirement, I know that applicants with those credentials are still picked first.

It is not necessary to be in "Psychiatric Care" to be Rolfed! Call some of the Certified Rolfers in your area a check out THEIR credentials. Also, call athe (800) numbert I have listed so many times about this and ask THEM.

Walt




Re: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll (Candida Tests?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1999 at 15:17:18:

In Reply to: Trish/Robert/Dr. Stoll posted by Phyllis A. on January 21, 1999 at 12:38:42:

Hi, Phyllis.

Bob & I have agreed to disagree about this point. I say that what I would do is make my candida diagnosis with the questionaire and (if I needed a confirming lab test to do several purged stools at Great Smokies Labs).

Walt




answer so far as I know about rolfing

Posted by trish on January 22, 1999 at 15:40:37:

In Reply to: question about rolfing posted by lm on January 22, 1999 at 15:06:13:

Hi, LM!

My Rolfer did not require that I be seeing a psychiatrist, nor is she a counselor. It was mentioned to me here on this board that many Rolfers were also counselors, so I asked her about it before we started anything. I live in the Chicago area.

The woman I went to said that at the Rolf Institute, they taught them to stay away from the drama...in other words, try to keep the customers in the present. So, if someone started going back to some traumatic event, she would ask, "but how do you feel about it NOW?" I suppose that would circumvent any real breakdowns. Rolfers are not supposed to take the place of psychiatrists, after all.

I would guess that if you have a ton of horrible issues to deal with, then you'd be at risk for some real traumatic breakthroughs. I have had a relatively great life - some past problems perhaps, but no physical or emotional abuse, no abandonment or other real problems. And I DID have a couple of "realizations" about my past during a couple of these sessions.

Still, I am surprised about that requirement. Maybe if you talk directly with the Rolfer they can shed some light on it for you. I spoke with two Rolfers here and they were very different from one another, so who knows? maybe that's just that one Rolfer's way of doing business.

In any case, I had a great time, felt it was immensely beneficial to me and recommend Rolfing very highly.

take care!
trish



Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens!

Posted by d.d. on January 23, 1999 at 14:54:42:

In Reply to: Re: AAARRRGGGGHHHH? I hate it when that happens! posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1999 at 14:59:15:

Dear Walt,

and you deserve a good AAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!!


d.d.




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