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Rob M

Posted by Tony on January 21, 1999 at 11:32:24:

Hey Rob!

Well, I told you I would leave you alone until after the holidays, but now I'm back! First off I have a stupid question.

I'm half Italian, so let's just say that's a tendency towards agriculturist, and half German, English, and Scotch-Irish, and let's just say there's a tendency towards H/G. Now, if that was the case, can you have a metabolism that blends the two differing ones, or do you always get one or the other? I only know one side of my family (the Italian - type A, like myself), and they seem to all be agriculturists (based on my own perceptions). I was just wondering if, since I have the same blood type as them, that would normally mean that you have inherited their metabolism also.

Following the H/G diet will include a lot of Type A avoids. I know you believe in avoiding the major lectin problems, but aren't all A avoids there because of lectins? (Beside meat - I understand that's supposedly a stomach acid issue.) So, which lectins should I always avoid? Wheat, tomatoes, milk, kidney and lima beans? My Italian family all eat a lot of cheese, tomatoes, and macaroni, and they're all healthy and living very old. They should be in horrible condition based on lectins!

I'm planning on finally starting the elimination diet on Feb 4th with Trish, so I'm sure you'll be hearing a lot from me. I have been working towards a more H/G diet, but it seems lately thtat everything I eat is giving me a reaction, and whenever I eat red meat, my intestines are killing me the next day. All organic, free range of course!

Talk to you again soon!

Tony


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Re: Rob M

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 21, 1999 at 12:31:04:

In Reply to: Rob M posted by Tony on January 21, 1999 at 11:32:24:

Tony,

You are hypoglycemic -- you are a Hunter-gatherer.

Not all of Dr. D'Adamo's 'avoids' are based on lectin reactions with blood.

I don't buy the suggestion that certain blood types lack certain enzymes. Dr. D'Adamo properly suggests that there is a CORRELATION between the presence of some enzymes and certain blood types.

If a child had one parent with brown eyes and another with blue eyes -- that child would have one color or the other -- not a mix of brown or blue. It's the same way with metabolism. Most most Germans and Italians are Agriculturists there are pockets of other metabolic types that existed 5,000 years ago within each country.

If I were you I would immediately shift your diet to an EXTREME Agriculturist mode for 5 days to see how you feel. Then shift back to the H-G diet for 5 days and see how you feel. Otherwise you are going to be worrying so much that you'll drive yourself nuts (and in the process make your leaky gut worse).

The reason for your indigestion is that you are no doubt still eating foods that you are poorly adapted to -- this is why the Elimination diet is so critical -- to determine those hidden food allergens.

We will be unable to defend our eating habits based on the apparent health of previous generations. I would venture to guess that when your parents were children that they ate about a 95% whole foods diet. What percentage of foods that you eat today are whole foods? This simple difference gave your parents and their ancestors a HUGE advantage over you. Your ancestors had MUCH GREATER IMMUNOLOGICAL RESERVES than you just based on the fact that they ate whole foods most of their life -- especially when they were young and their immune system was 'learning'. The other thing that your ancestors had working in their favor (that you have not) is the fact that they were eating in a manner fairly well matched to their inherited metabolism.

Bob


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Heredity and stuff...

Posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 12:57:53:

In Reply to: Re: Rob M posted by Robert McFerran on January 21, 1999 at 12:31:04:

You have a great way with words, Bob... I was just telling Tony that he worries too much!

I was wondering about the heredity thing and how that will affect my personal diet - my father's side is German and Scots-Irish, my mother is Costa Rican. So....I'm hoping I won't have to give up mangoes and plantain and papayas....

Is it something we just test as we go along?

Thanks Bob! And Tony - Just do what Bob says and things will work out...

bye for now,
trish


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Re: Heredity and stuff...

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 21, 1999 at 18:20:16:

In Reply to: Heredity and stuff... posted by trish on January 21, 1999 at 12:57:53:

Trish,

I think that you will have to feel your way around with the fruit. Obviously there are H-G's that lived in temperate or even tropical climates that are going to be better adapted to fruit.

Most of the RECENT H-G's pull from ancestors that lived in relatively cold climates (Northern Europeans) or arid climates (American Indians, Aborigines, etc.).

Bob


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Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G?

Posted by Tony on January 22, 1999 at 00:00:37:

In Reply to: Re: Heredity and stuff... posted by Robert McFerran on January 21, 1999 at 18:20:16:

Rob,

From what you said about ancestry, I don't see where I could have gotten my H/G metabolism from. And I understand what you're saying about my family eating more of a whole foods diet. I always thought that myself. So if we all ate a whole foods diet, then these other diets wouldn't be as important a factor?

Hypoglycemia = Hunter/Gatherer metabolism 100% of the time? Isn't is possible that if an agriculturist abused sugars enough in their lifetime that they could develop hypoglycemia? You are saying that there is no other way that someone could be hypoglycemic for a period of time unless they are a hunter/gatherer? I'm not trying to be confrontational, but it just seems too simple to me that that would be the case.

Also, you said that I was hypoglycemic based on the fact that my blood sugar dipped below my fasting level during the 5 hour test. But none of my doctors considered me hypoglycemic. They said I was borderline, since I wasn't at least 20 points below the fasting level. What do you think?

Anyway, like I said, I have been eating some more meat and am feeling a little better with my energy (besides the intestine pains), and I am going to be doing the elimination diet with Trish in a couple or weeks.

Thanks for you patience and guidance.

Tony


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Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G?

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 22, 1999 at 11:57:53:

In Reply to: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G? posted by Tony on January 22, 1999 at 00:00:37:

Tony,

In my previous post I suggested that while MOST of the folks living in what is now Germany and Italy possessed an Agriculturist metabolism SOME pockets of people were H-G's or Mixed. Therefore I can see very easily how you could be a H-G.

Yes, Hypoglycemic=Hunter-gather.

Your allopathic docs that suggest you are borderline are wrong. I think most allopathic docs shy away from letting a patient know that they are hypoglycemic since they really don't know what to do to resolve it anyway. If you want a definative description from a physician that really understood hypoglycemia you need to read BRAIN ALLERGIES by Dr. William Philpott.

The 20 point below fasting level is absurb. I just met a H-G who had a fasting blood sugar of 68. To fit YOUR docs overly simplistic definition of hypoglycemia she would have to fall to 48 -- in other words she would have to be comatose and lying on the floor in his office!

I wasn't kidding in my last post when I suggested that you should give the Agriculturist diet a go for a week and see how it makes you feel. That's the ONLY way that you are going to resolve this in your mind. It won't hurt you too much. I routinely see folks with blood type A that have inherited a H-G metabolism that are struggling with Dr. D's Type A diet. They suffer until someone comes out of the woodwork and suggestS that they add meat until they feel halfway decent.

I think that you struggling with the Agriculturist or even the Type A diet for a week would be meaningful for you. I tried the Agriculturist diet first myself. I have learned to ALWAYS trust my mind/body rather than what any 'expert' would thrust upon me.

Bob


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Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G?

Posted by Corinne Rodriguez on January 22, 1999 at 16:28:29:

In Reply to: Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G? posted by Robert McFerran on January 22, 1999 at 11:57:53:

I am a Latina Type A, deep down inside, I new that sugar and carbs are my biggest problem weight wise. I am 20 - 25 lbs overweight. I have been on the A blood type diet for about a month. starting to gain weight. i can give up dairy, tomatoes, peppers, meat, it is very hard, but when it comes to sugar, I have no willpower whatsoever!!none! how do I do it? what really is the HG Diet? I was doing better on the Zone diet, although I didn't lose much weight. I suspect that it may be portions. Help!! I never get stomach distress, tomatoes, meat, nothing gives me stomach problems.It is mostly the weight thing. I never catch colds, flu, However I did find out I had had Hep c and took interferon for 1 year , 3 blood tests showed clear so far. and diabetes is rampant in my family. Sugar-carbohydrate addiction is worse than drug addiction!



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Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G?

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 22, 1999 at 21:38:21:

In Reply to: Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G? posted by Corinne Rodriguez on January 22, 1999 at 16:28:29:

Corinne,

Your story is all to familiar.

Go to the archive section of this site and look for the Elimination diet as well as the Hunter-gatherer diet.

There IS a way to get rid of those sugar cravings, but you must do two things:

1) Find your hidden food allergens (I find that grains are usually responsible for problems with weight loss).

2) Eat a whole foods diet appropriate for your metabolic type (probably Mixed or Hunter-gatherer).

Bob


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Rob - Tried the Type A

Posted by Tony on January 22, 1999 at 23:17:52:

In Reply to: Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G? posted by Robert McFerran on January 22, 1999 at 11:57:53:

Rob,

Thanks for another great response. I really am amazed at the patience you have with me, but I do appreciate it. The thing about the 48 sugar having someone in a coma was very funny.

Anyway, I was on the D'Adamo Type A diet %100 for 3 months a while back, and still am at about %80. The father put me on the diet, and said I had strong B tendencies and said I needed to have turkey or fish every day. So that's where I stood until I started talking to you. I did have some improvement on the diet, but nothing too spectacular, and most of it I attributed to eating all organic foods and from eliminating food allergies.

But I have been trying to work in more of your recommendations. When I eat red meat continuously, I start to get a lot of chest congestion - something I used to get quite often until I started the Type A diet. Also, my intestines ache when I'm eating the red meat, and I seem to get more heartburn. But I do feel like I have some more energy, and I definitely last longer between meals. When I eat turkey I last just as long as if I eat tofu, but not if I eat red meat. By the way, I've only eaten organic beef as my red meat, so I don't know if that makes a difference.

So, do you think that over time I'll be able to handle the meat better? And what are you saying about Agiculturists who abuse refined sugar - they'll become diabetic, and never be hypoglycemic? Also, are the Scotch-Irish (whatever they are - I never did find out) more of a H/G race? And finally, are there a good number of type A's that are H/G's, or is this a very rare occurrence? I wish I was an O - this would be so much easier.

Thanks again for putting up with me again. I hope you've doing okay with your health - you don't mention it much.

Tony


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Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist?

Posted by Tony on January 22, 1999 at 23:33:14:

In Reply to: Re: Rob - Hypoglycemic = H/G? posted by Robert McFerran on January 22, 1999 at 21:38:21:

Rob,

If this lay has diabetes running rampant in her family and has sugar problems of her own, wouldn't that have her leaning towards an Agriculturist? Not trying to correct you, just trying to understand this whole thing. Diabetes runs on the Italian side of my family too, (not rampant, but a few cases) and I had thought you said that diabetics were 95% agriculturists.

Just trying to understand things. Thanks.

Tony


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Re: Rob - Tried the Type A

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 23, 1999 at 09:03:53:

In Reply to: Rob - Tried the Type A posted by Tony on January 22, 1999 at 23:17:52:

Hi Tony,

I apologize for forgetting your scenario with the dietary recommendations of the senior Dr. D'Adamo. I am curious. Have you eliminated all corn, wheat and milk from your diet?

I'll try to answer some of your questions directly:

"So, do you think that over time I'll be able to handle the meat better?"

Yes. I believe that your indigestion is probably due to eating too much carbohydrate -- especially starchy carbohydrate (some of which might be food allergens) when they eat their meat/poultry or fish.

"And what are you saying about Agiculturists who abuse refined sugar - they'll become diabetic, and never be hypoglycemic?"

Agriculturists that abuse sugar will show more and more insulin resistance (which would show up in increasingly higher blood sugar levels and ultimately at diabetic looking blood sugar curve. Agriculturists actually NEED the stimulation provided from carbohydrate (especially fruit) to stimulate their pancreas into releasing insulin.

As we know from YOUR 5 hour glucose tolerance test sugar OVER-STIMULATES YOUR pancreas to release too much insulin. The reason why this happens is that your H-G metabolism is programmed this way. Your ancestors from Northern Europe a few thousand years ago ate animals with indigenous green leafy and root vegetables for carbohydrate -- there was no fruit -- it was too cold.


"Also, are the Scotch-Irish (whatever they are - I never did find out) more of a H/G race?"

Yes. Northern Europe was much colder only 10,000 years ago (as we emerged from the last ice age) than the cool climate that we see today. Another thing that inhibited any type of agriculture was the poor quality of the soil in terms of lime content.

"And finally, are there a good number of type A's that are H/G's, or is this a very rare occurrence?"

Hunter-gatherers with blood type A are not rare at all. There are several that frequent this BB. Dr. D'Adamo (junior) admits that his blood type theory is the best PREDICTIVE model available today and I wholly agree. Compared to the Pritikin diet or the Adkins Plan (two radically different diets) which suggest that their recommendations fit everyone -- ER4YT shatters the myth of the one diet fits all mentality.

What I suggest is not PREDICTIVE at all. Basically the elimination diet is a qualitative test that varies significantly from individual to individual (no matter what blood type). Like-wise you will not be thrust into any metabolic category. By testing you will find the one that delivers the most energy. I have to add here that the idea of 'just adding more red meat' to ones diet IS NOT the Hunter-gatherer diet (which is much more precise).

"I wish I was an O - this would be so much easier."

If you get hung up on the blood type theory stuff why don't you ask Dr. Stoll how many steaks he eats a week and what it does to his insulin demand? He's a type O and a diabetic who has inherited an Agriculturist metabolism. My father is in the same boat -- a type O with an Agriculturist metabolism. With his general eating habits (he really likes meat) he has a daily insulin demand of about 110 units. When he follows the Agriculturist diet his insulin demand drops to 35 units per day. I know that he could lower it even more if he ran the elimination diet to detect hidden food allergies.

Tony, you don't need to apologize for your questions but I would appreciate you putting some similar questions to Dr. D and reporting back here with the answers. We are all trying to learn............

This might be disconcerting to you but I can see many of the inconsistencies and shortcomings of the blood type diet theory. At the same time I am acutely aware of the weaknesses and inconsistencies of my own theories about how to go about finding your best diet.

Bob




Re: Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist?

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 23, 1999 at 09:08:34:

In Reply to: Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist? posted by Tony on January 22, 1999 at 23:33:14:

Tony,

Dr. Wiley found that about 95% of TYPE II diabetics had indeed inherited an EXTREME Agriculturis metabolism. The fact that her father is a diabetic gives NO implication to her inherited metabolism.

I think I noted in the last post that my dad is a type II diabetic with an Agriculturist metabolism while I'm a hypoglycemic H-G. By the way we both have blood type O.

Bob


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Re: Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist?

Posted by Susan MIerswa on January 23, 1999 at 13:27:13:

In Reply to: Re: Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist? posted by Robert McFerran on January 23, 1999 at 09:08:34:

Bob,

With all this discussion about blood type, inherited metabolism, and the like, a question came to mind. From whom do we inherit our metabolism? If not our parents, like blood type, how is this "inherited" down through the ages?

Susan


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Re: Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist?

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 23, 1999 at 19:42:03:

In Reply to: Re: Rob - Diabetes = Agriculturist? posted by Susan MIerswa on January 23, 1999 at 13:27:13:

Susan,

Did you know that will all the diversity of our human species that we can genetically trace our origins back to a single person? This one person was the point of origin for all of us over 4 1/2 million years ago -- and some of her genetic material resides in you and I and every single person on this planet. In other words we are all related through this 'Ancestral Eve'.

Hi cousin!!

As far as blood types go, they are relatively simple and easy to label -- however blood type label does not imply (with accuracy)inherited metabolism. There is no doubt some genetic marker within our DNA implies metabolism.

Until that gets worked out we'll just have to decide which diet gives us the MOST energy as that would imply the best functioning of our krebs cycle -- in other words the way it was meant to be.

I do think that Dr. Watson and Wiley's blood plasma pH theory is an amazing discovery that has high validity beyond anything else that I've seen.

Bob



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