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Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by Tony on January 24, 1999 at 21:57:58:

I finally got a copy of Brain Allergies, and I thought the work and cases in it were amazing, although it wasn't all a surprise as a result of this board. Of course I do have a couple of questions.

I have one about hypoglycemia for Rob. In this book, Dr. Philpott says that allergies can be the cause of a large number of cases of hypoglycemia. He also says that the reactions can be from fats and proteins also, not just carbohydrates as had been previously assumed. Doesn't this take metabolic types out of the equation? If many cases are due to an allergy, then certainly any metabolic type could have hypoglycemia.

And for Dr. Stoll, I was just wondering if there were any doctors around the country who practice what Dr. Philpott is talking about(ecologic - orthomolecular diagnosis?), and if there are, how would you go about finding one.

Thanks guys!

Tony


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 24, 1999 at 23:10:34:

In Reply to: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Tony on January 24, 1999 at 21:57:58:

Tony,

I'm glad that you've got BRAIN ALLERGIES under your belt.

Now I'm going to ask you to focus on Dr. Philpott's OBSERVATIONS and not his CONCLUSIONS. Realize I come not to bury Philpott, but to praise him. His research was truly innovative but time and hindsight in the year 1999 have shown that many of his conclusions are not valid.

Orthomolecular medicine was ground breaking and state-of-the-art 20 years ago but as Rocket-Healer Jim noted eariler today -- time moves on and so does our knowledge. What I'm suggesting is that Orthomolecular medicine for the most part is obsolete. Orthomolecular actually means 'finding the right molecule'. Physicians using this approach are worlds ahead of most clueless allopathic docs but at the same time are stuck in a 20 year old rut. I believe however that the work of Orthomolecular physicians gives us many hints at understanding our current state of maladaptation.

There are at least 4 different types of mechanisms that we describe as food allergy that I'm currently aware of -- and to make the situation even more unsettling for you -- I'm confident there are at least 50 other mechanisms that we are UNAWARE OF. The precipitous rise or drop in blood sugar is only one of these mechanisms.

What Philpott saw was that his patients with chronic disease states tended to have either a hypoglycemic or diabetic blood curve. He perceived that these people would demonstrate closer to NORMAL blood sugar curves IF you could do enough manipulation with various vitamins, minerals and amino acid nutrients.

What he didn't see is that these blood curves were in reality an expression of inherited metabolism and that he was dealing with folks THAT HAD INHERITED AN EXTREME METABOLISM. What confused matters is that all of his patients were eating a diet MISMATCHED TO THEIR INHERITED METABOLISM and that was generating the abnormal blood sugar curves. IF he would have given them (both extremes) the appropriate EXTREME test meals he would have seen them quickly normalize and demonstrate the normal blood sugar curve.

A complication of course was that all of his patients eating the diets mismatched to their inherited metabolism had developed leaky gut syndrome and with it food allergies.

You have two other important books that you need to read before you can understand why Philpott's observations were so valuable yet his conclusions were not. They are NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION by Dr. Weston Price and NUTRITION AND PSYCHOLOGICAL STRENGTH by Dr. George Watson. The latter is out of print but is in many college libraries.
These books will give you more clues to the other parts of the puzzle.

Bob



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Re: Brain Allergies - Rob M

Posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 00:10:37:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Robert McFerran on January 24, 1999 at 23:10:34:

Rob,

Thanks again for a great response. I CAN'T WAIT for your book to come out. Speaking of which, there was a post on ER4YT about an article in Time that had a passing mention of a book about Metabolic diets revolutionizing American health next year. That wouldn't happen to be your book, would it?

By the way, Dr. Philpott had an add on in his book from 1987. His conclusions are still outdated? I find it hard to believe that every one of his patients were eating a diet mismatched to their metabolism, but I guess that could be another way of looking at why they had problems to begin with. So you agree with his ideas about all the things that allergies cause, just not with the reason the allergies were there in the first place?

Tony


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1999 at 12:03:02:

In Reply to: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Tony on January 24, 1999 at 21:57:58:

Hi, Tony.

"Bracing" is one of the most common causes of hypoglycemia! To understand THAT, you have to know how the body buffers the glucose level in the blood. Suffice it to say that it is true.

To find the closest practitioner that has taken the time to understand this stuff, you would need to contact Orthomolecular Health-Medicine, 2698 Pacific Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94115, Voice: (415) 922-6462, FAX (415) 346-4991 OR The Huxley Institute for Biosocial Research, American Academy of Orthomolecular Medicine, 16 Florence Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M2N 1E9, Voice: (416) 733-2117, (800) 847-3802.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



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Re: Brain Allergies - Rob M

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 25, 1999 at 12:25:23:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Rob M posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 00:10:37:

Tony,

Maybe they (the book's publisher) is talking about THE BALANCE? I read an interesting review in a local Louisville magazine that was comparing THE ZONE, SUGARBUSTERS and ER4YT. What was compelling about it was that they liked ER4YT the least (too difficult), thought THE ZONE better (less difficult) and SUGARBUSTERS the best (least difficult). Personally I think ER4YT is worlds better than the others since my focus is on what gets results, with ease of use being a secondary concern.

Of course my book is dealing specifically with arthritis and other rheumatoid diseases. It's for folks that are very sick and what they will need to do to get well rather than folks that are relatively healthy and won't have the volition to make major changes.

Yes, the latest version of BRAIN ALLERGIES has some conclusions that I would say are obsolete.

Yes, the reason why MOST folks (certainly those with schizophrenia and other psychological disorders) suffer from a chronic illness is that they have inherited an EXTREME metabolism that isn't satiated with their non-extreme diet. This is the basic thesis of Dr. George Watson's work.

You ask "So you agree with his ideas about all the things that allergies cause, just not with the reason the allergies were there in the first place?"

I would say that Philpott was correct in suggesting that their is a RELATIONSHIP OR AN ASSOCIATION rather than a CAUSE between food allergies and symptoms.

Philpott suggested that food allergies were a sign of a MALADAPTED response which while is a very broad statement is pretty much the essence of why we develop chronic illness in the first place.

Bob


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll

Posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 22:30:58:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1999 at 12:03:02:

Another result of Chronic Bracing! I should have known.

So then do you disagree with Rob that all hypoglycemics posess a H/G metabolism, and that hypoglycemia can be caused by many things and is not necessararily related to inherited metabolism?

Also, Rob asked me in a post farther down to ask you what you ate, in regards to the metabolic diets vs. the Type O diet. So if you don't mind, what kind of diet do you follow Dr. Stoll?

Thanks,

Tony


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One More Thing Rob

Posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 22:51:31:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Rob M posted by Robert McFerran on January 25, 1999 at 12:25:23:

Thanks again Rob.

Is Dr. Watson's book the one I should read as THE guideline for metabolic diets? And where can I get it?


Does Dr. Stoll agree with you about the hypoglycemia/metabolic diet connection? He just posted me saying that a lot of hypoglycemia was caused from chronic bracing, which I wouldn't think would be related to metabolice type.

Also, I put a post to you a few days ago, and you never answered. I don't know if you missed it, or you're just sick of me. I hope it's the former.

I don't think they meant The Balance. They said the book is coming out next year, so that's why I thought it might be a new one. I did read through 'The Balance' a few weeks ago, and even wrote you about it. It seemed okay, but when I took the test he gave I came out almost equal between all metabolic types! I can't believe it is very accurate. Also, when you do a metabolic test like that, do you take into account how you would have responeded when you were well, or when you're sick (now)? I would have had a lot of different answers.

Thanks again Rob!

Tony


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Tony, you were mistaken

Posted by trish on January 26, 1999 at 10:13:36:

In Reply to: One More Thing Rob posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 22:51:31:

I saw your post of the 23rd, and you're mistaken about Dr. Stoll's diet -he's a type O diabetic who is doing fabulously on a VEGETARIAN diet! No steaks for him at all. He's a good example of a person whose metabolism outweighs his blood type...like you, Tony!

That's Bob's whole point- that metabolism is a more accurate indicator of diet than bloodtype...

be well,
trish





Re: One More Thing Rob

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 26, 1999 at 12:23:14:

In Reply to: One More Thing Rob posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 22:51:31:

Tony,

Watson's book is more satisfying for the biochemist in me. Wiley's book is more suggestive of the actual foods and supplements that optimize each metabolic subset. Read them both.

I don't know what Dr. Stoll thinks re: hypoglycemia. I'm glad that you asked him the question in another post. In my estimation 'bracing' will make your hypoglycemia a bit more dramatic but I still believe that hypoglycemia is the domain of the Hunter-gatherer metabolism.

I had the same problem with the questionaire approach used by Oz Garcia.

I'll look for the unanswered post you mentioned. If I can't find it you may want to re-post it.

Bob



Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 27, 1999 at 11:33:18:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll posted by Tony on January 25, 1999 at 22:30:58:

Hi, Tony.

I eat a whole foods diet but I am learning a lot from Bob's research into the metabolic diet and am tempted to try it too.

NOTHING is the cause of EVERYTHING! The metabolic diet is a very important advance in our understanding of ONE factor in chronic disease. Robert would be among the first to say that the diet is not everything. For one thing, HOW one processes what is eaten is vastly altered on the basis of the state of the glandular/nervous system at the time it is eaten.

For example, the storage of "readiness" in the hypothalamus TOTALLYchanges us from what a "normal, healthy" human is supposed to be.

Walt




Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by vickir on January 28, 1999 at 15:53:59:

In Reply to: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Tony on January 24, 1999 at 21:57:58:

Tony,
If you are looking for an example of someone who is hypoglycemic (by Philpott's definition) and who is NOT a HG-type, I am married to one. His blood sugar curve fit perfectly one of the patterns shown in Brain Allergies (shot up very high immediately after eating a normal meal, followed within 1/2 hour by a precipitous drop below fasting level), yet 2 days on the HG diet almost did him in. He answers "yes" to all but one, perhaps two, of Bob McFerran's test questions for separating HGs from Agriculturists (he feels good when he fasts, he feels great when he has a small cup of coffee with breakfast, etc, etc). Actually, he seems to lie somewhere on the agriculturist side of what I think is probably a bell-shaped curve representing individuals' optimum diets because he can tolerate some meat and purine-rich vegetables.

As for brain allergy, he has that, too. He experiences mental and emotional reactions to the protein in wheat (also present in barley, oats and rye), some of which bear some resemblance to schizophrenia. Several years ago, I concluded that leaky gut was the most likely explanation for his "allergy." I didn't find out what was causing the leaky gut until I found this BB. Of course, I KNEW that he was bracing, but I had no idea what it was doing to him, why he was doing it, or how to eliminate it. And now I find out that his bracing is the most likely culprit for his hypoglycemia as well. He has been doing SR since last August, and the improvement in his symptoms is phenomenal. Words can never express my gratitude to Walt for making his wisdom available to all of us.

Philpott's observations were good ones, so far as they went. However, they did not get down to the root cause of the "allergic" symptoms.


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1999 at 18:19:18:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by vickir on January 28, 1999 at 15:53:59:

Tony,

Consider this a pre-emptive strike for the questions that might be generated by Vicky and her husband's experience.

The most interesting thing that you should focus on is the deleterious effects system-wide from chronic bracing.

Now how can this guy be showing a hypoglycemic curve and not be a H-G?

The main reason some folks appear to have a hypoglycemic curve (when tested with a five hour glucose tolerance test) when they are not in reality hypoglycemic is due to the 'test meal' given to the fasting patient. Unless you bring your own test meal the doc will give you a drink that is primarily CORN syrup. Vicki knows her husband is sensitive to many grains. Corn is a MAJOR food allergen that could product tremendous shifts in blood sugar.

The complications from food allergies are one reason why I get my BEST insights into inherited metabolism during the latter phase of the elimination diet. After the individual clears their symptoms, food allergens no longer complicate the picture.

Now back to the effects of hypothalamic overload.

The pituitary participates in the regulation of every involuntary system in our body. The hypothalamus is hot-wired to the 'thinking brain' and also to the pituitary. It has to interpret everything that you sense, everything that you think and then pass this information to guide the regulatory efforts of the pituitary.

Every ringing phone, every negative thought, is interpreted by the hypothalamus and passed down the line to the pituitary which passes it down the line to other organ systems that regulate other systems. Now you can realize the overload provided by 100 ringing phone calls, watching someone get shot on the tube, and worrying about what the next day will hold. Chronic bracing is only one outcome of hypothalamic overload. It can literally BE INVOLVED IN ANYTHING -- including inducing hypoglycemia.

Vicki, thanks for adding your experience. Looks like another 'absolute' is dashed on the rocks.

Bob


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by vickir on January 29, 1999 at 09:41:46:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Robert McFerran on January 28, 1999 at 18:19:18:

Bob,
The "absolute" still might apply to one or more of the other patterns of hypoglycemia (as described by Philpott).

BTW, just to stir the pot a bit more for the ER4YTers--my "mostly agriculturist" spousal unit has type O neg blood.


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by Robert McFerran on January 29, 1999 at 13:52:30:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by vickir on January 29, 1999 at 09:41:46:

Vicki,

Fear not -- my EXTREME Agriculturist father (a type II diabetic) is also O negative.

I'm O neg too (with an EXTREME H-G metabolism).

Because of your experience with you husband I'm considering designing an experiment trying to measure the effects of skilled relaxation on blood plasma pH and blood sugar. As you know Dr. Wiley didn't consider this in his studies. Any ideas how you structure a valid experiment?

Bob


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Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M

Posted by vickir on February 01, 1999 at 08:32:17:

In Reply to: Re: Brain Allergies - Dr. Stoll & Rob M posted by Robert McFerran on January 29, 1999 at 13:52:30:

Sorry, Bob, I'm no scientist. There's only one guinea pig in my laboratory so my findings will never stand up under scientific scrutiny :)
It sounds like a worthwhile endeavor, though.
Vicki



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