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Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on February 16, 1999 at 14:21:42:

In my new job assignment, the office temperature control is very poor. I'm having a real challenge staying awake thru the afternoon, especially when the temperatures exceed 75 inside (currently 76.3 degrees and rising). I have a little fan sitting down on the floor, blowing at me. Without some air movement, it would seem really unbearable in here.

I'm overweight, so warm temperatures bother me more than some people. Obviously losing the excess insulation will take a while. Today, I'm interested in short-term solutions :-)

Since I've been mostly on the Whole Foods Diet lately, my afternoon sleepiness is NOT due to over-carbing at lunch, as I've tended to do in the past.

I've tried getting up and walking around periodically to try to stay awake, but then I go back to my seat both hot and sweaty.

Survival Suggestions?
RocketHealer Jim++


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Re: Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time

Posted by Lincoln on February 16, 1999 at 15:40:55:

In Reply to: Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on February 16, 1999 at 14:21:42:

Suggestions:
Don't eat anything with tryptophan for lunch, like turkey.

Get some essential fatty acids in your lunch - the fat will slow the insulin spike and prevent a diet-induced crash. Eat them first.

Eat a small, small complete meal around 2:00-3:00 for energy. This is my personal favorite 'trick' for afternoon energy - plus, spreading your meals out over the day will help reduce bodyfat.

Do some lumbar streching exercises to wake up (hamstring stretches to go to sleep) It's a trick I heard about that comes from yoga...


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It was the (Butler) Turkey that did it!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on February 16, 1999 at 17:05:47:

In Reply to: Re: Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time posted by Lincoln on February 16, 1999 at 15:40:55:

I don't know if it's just a coincidence, but I had turkey at lunch today.

But not yesterday, when I was the same sleepy-wise as today.

Thanks for the suggestions!
RocketHealer Jim++



Do you know your metabolic type?

Posted by trish on February 17, 1999 at 12:32:21:

In Reply to: Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on February 16, 1999 at 14:21:42:

RH Jim,

I have found that if I eat a high protein (low carb lunch, I don't get that horrible slump. Before I found out that I needed a lot of protein, I would eat more when I felt myself "crashing" but of course I ate more carbs, which just kept the cycle going longer.

The whole foods diet doesn't have enought protein for me. Just another thought to throw into the lunch bucket!

trish


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Re: Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time

Posted by Kyra on February 18, 1999 at 01:28:22:

In Reply to: Surviving Afternoon Sleepy-Time posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on February 16, 1999 at 14:21:42:


Dear Rocket Healer Jim,

I echo Trish on this one. I need a lot of animal protein to get me through my own 4pm slump and the day in general (up to 80 grams daily). Sometimes I think I should live on flesh alone, and I cast a baleful backward glance along the timeline of my carnivorous Mongolian steppe-maurauding, bunny-spearing ancestors. Don't know why, except for maybe for the high zinc content, but tinned oysters really help with the afternoon blahs. Sometimes 2 tins in a row. No, I don't eat the tins themselves :) Don't think that there were free-ranging oysters on the Russian steppes, either. Go figure.

Happy afternoon carnivory!
Kyra



Re: Do you know your metabolic type?

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 18, 1999 at 10:50:04:

In Reply to: Do you know your metabolic type? posted by trish on February 17, 1999 at 12:32:21:

Hi, trish.

I was interested to hear that you thought that the whole foods diet "did not have enough protein in it".

Since whole foods have a lot more protein in them than refined foods, AND all the really high protein foods (meat, fish, eggs, cheese, etc.) are included on the whole foods diet, this is a puzzle to me.

Can you clarify for me what you are calling a whole foods diet?

Walt


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Whole foods diet

Posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 13:18:09:

In Reply to: Re: Do you know your metabolic type? posted by Walt Stoll on February 18, 1999 at 10:50:04:

Hi, Walt,

I have "The Healing Power of Whole Foods" and wrote to you about it just after I bought it, because I thought it didn't have enough recipes for meat. I am a hunter-gatherer. The whole foods diet, while including meat fish and eggs, seems to emphasize a more vegetarian approach. A typical meal/menu example in the book just wouldn't cut it for me; way too many carbs. I just thought that if Rocket Healer Jim++ was following those suggestions exactly, and he has an HG metabolism, he might not be getting enough protein (or perhaps too many carbs) to keep him going through the typical afternoon slump. I noticed a BIG difference when I switched to a high protein diet. In fact, today I'm noticing a big difference with my elimination diet, since Bob let me eat lamb! As far as eating foods in their whole form, and avoiding processed/refined carbohydrates, of course that would be healthy for anyone!

I guess I should have said that the WF diet "did not have enough protein in it for a hunter gatherer"
:-)

be well,
Trish


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Re: Whole foods diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 14:33:51:

In Reply to: Whole foods diet posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 13:18:09:

Trish,

I'm glad that you are seeing some improvement with the lamb. I'll bet some chicken thighs (with skin on of course) will help even more.

When I'm talking about a whole foods diet that does include unadulturated meats and fish (no Slim-Jim's allowed!). I think you, Walt and me agree on this.

I agree with you that Beth's book is heavily skewed to the vegetarian side and that Jim is probably trying too many of those delicious carbs -- and then falling asleep afterwards. I even have to disagree a bit with Dr. Wiley since he suggests that H-G's can liberally use beans and lentils. While they have the purine content that we H-G's need, they lack the fat and cholesterol that we also need. They send a very strong signal to the pancreas to release insulin. IF they are eaten without adequate meat and fat the individual is inviting a 'bonk' -- or in Jim's case the afternoon 'nods'.

Bob


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Elimination Diet - here's one of those rambling threads!!!

Posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 16:02:44:

In Reply to: Re: Whole foods diet posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 14:33:51:

Hi Bob,

Thanks for responding to my comment. I was going to post where we were discussing this earlier. I can't wait to eat chicken and beef again. I have always preferred fattier meats anyway, such as marbled beef (leave those trimmings on!) and dark meat chicken. I wonder if some of my problems didn't arise from my "education" about diet as I got older and became aware of what was SUPPOSED to be good for all of us. ;-) Since I like almost every single thing I've ever eaten, it was no problem to eat the high carb, low fat "healthy" diet recommened by those in the know.

As an aside - I've been dreaming about food. I dreamt that I ate potato chips one night and almond M&Ms on another night - one of my co-workers keeps jars of M&Ms on his credenza for all to eat...I ate a lot of them right up until this diet!

But, back to reality - the lamb was so delicious with lots of mineral salt on it...I really enjoyed it after all the fish!

I do feel a bit better, but still have some stiffness in my neck and back. So, I should wait until tomorrow to add chicken to my menu, right? (so far, since you said I could, I had lamb for my very late dinner last night, no breakfast at all due to bad planning, and lamb for lunch!) My weight has remained stable after that 4 lb loss I mentioned.

So...what do you think?

trish


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Re: Elimination Diet - here's one of those rambling threads!!!

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 17:05:26:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet - here's one of those rambling threads!!! posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 16:02:44:

Trish,

It's time to start testing. If you don't experience a reaction you can test up to three foods a day -- one at every meal.

Embrace you Hunter-gatherer roots and let's just see how EXTREME you really are.

Bob


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Re : Trish's comment about "learning" about diet

Posted by Deb on February 18, 1999 at 17:16:01:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet - here's one of those rambling threads!!! posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 16:02:44:


Trish,

Yes, yes, yes! Your first paragraph could have been written by me. I'm sure it's not a coincidence that I got chronic fatigue after two years of over-training and zealously eating a low-fat diet, with virtually no essential fats. But I'm making up for it now!

Deb


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GGGGRRRRRRRRR!!

Posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 17:19:16:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet - here's one of those rambling threads!!! posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 17:05:26:

Where should I start? What should I do? Chicken tomorrow? What about Beef? I mean, is there a logical progression to this? Also, I notice that LETTUCE is an AVOID!!! What's up with that? I will really miss my romaine salads...if I put enough Beef on it, will it be okay? ;-)

thanks as always!
trish




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Re: GGGGRRRRRRRRR!!

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 22:33:27:

In Reply to: GGGGRRRRRRRRR!! posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 17:19:16:

Trish,

I'd do the meats first. Vegetables that are appropriate for your metabolism second (no lettuce yet). Vegetables that are inappropriate for your metabolic type last (here comes the lettuce).

You might be surprised that something that you really like (lettuce) evokes a reaction. If it doesn't I'm sure that you could eat it with impunity if you get adequate fat and purine in your meals.

Bob


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Here's what happens when you don't plan...(by a frustrated Hunter Gatherer)

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 10:20:00:

In Reply to: Re: GGGGRRRRRRRRR!! posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 22:33:27:

Hi Bob,

Well, I just wasn't thinking the other night when I was at Whole Foods. I only bought enought lamb to eat for 2 days. Now, even though you gave me the okay to eat meat, I don't have any! So, I'm still stuck eating fish and lamb! I'm dying!!! I am going shopping tonight to stock up on chicken and beef.

I have been having (for 2-3 days now) allergic type symptoms in my eyes - it feels like the tear ducts are itching and my eyes ar red and ithcy and irritated. It's what lead to my doctor ordering an Indican test and a histamine test some time back - which of course came back positive for LGS and negative for allergies (histamine was normal). So is this probably a symptom of LGS? Does this mean my LGS is "flaring up" or what? My bowel activity is still quite sluggish. My friend suggested that perhaps I'm digesting everything quite completely...does that make sense?

As far as testing goes, what about herbs and spices? Do I just add the meats right now and stil just use mineral salt?
Can I try flavored (no sugar of course) sparkling water? I'm thinking of the lacroix or poland springs type "naturally flavored" sparkling waters. What about cheeses/dairy? I haven't looked at the HG diet for awhile, so I'll have to refresh my knowledge of it. I noticed there were some remarkable differences as compared to the O diet.

Lastly, please explain the Pepto Bismol thing to me. I want to understand the mechanism by which it will help me deal with my bacterial friends.

Thanks, Bob

trish


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Re: GGGGRRRRRRRRR!!

Posted by Louise on February 19, 1999 at 11:39:26:

In Reply to: GGGGRRRRRRRRR!! posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 17:19:16:


Trish!

You made it!

Sounds like you were a slow reactor like I was. Try to be patient. Add
things slowly and wait for reactions. The reaction might be a bit slow as
well. You don't want to blow all your hard work.

Once you start eating beef, I am sure you will feel better.
(You were sounding a tad agitated on the Stoll board)

I know it is hard, but, remember, try to go S-L-O-W!!

Gesundheit,
Louise

BTW, I tried emailing you and for some reason it bounced back...

L



Re: Here's what happens when you don't plan...(by a frustrated Hunter Gatherer)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 12:36:51:

In Reply to: Here's what happens when you don't plan...(by a frustrated Hunter Gatherer) posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 10:20:00:

Trish,

Leaky gut can 'flare up' if you've had chemical exposure or some other unusual physical or psychological stress lately.

Of course you might be reacting to a food or an inhaled allergy.

Your bowel activity is probably still sluggish since you evacuated so much of it's contents after taking the magnesium citrate. Don't worry about it. After the testing phase it might be a good idea for you to get a series of 3 colon hydrotherapy sessions.

Herbs and spices should be tested individually like any food. Stay away from the flavored waters and milk and milk products and grains for now. Test all those other foods first!

The bismuth salts found in pepto bismol have antibiotic properties. Pepto bismol also has the rather unique property of blocking enteric toxins from many bacteria from entering the bloodstream. I have seen it assist some folks in normalizing intestinal micro-flora.

Bob




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Okay, some more questions...

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 13:08:14:

In Reply to: Re: Here's what happens when you don't plan...(by a frustrated Hunter Gatherer) posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 12:36:51:

Thanks, Bob

I'm a bit concerned about your statement, "Of course you might be reacting to a food or an inhaled allergy." Whadday mean, a food allergy? I've been on the E diet! I'm not sure about inhaled allergens - maybe you misunderstood my question let me rephrase it - Do you think the itching eyes are a symptom of LGS?

When do I get to do the Pepto Bismol test? The colon hydrotherapy sessions (YIKES!) what are they? Colonics? How do I find someone who does that...man, that sounds like quite the bummer....is there any way to do them at home?

thanks for fielding the thousand questions...
trish




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Yep, I think we already know what we should be eating...

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 14:38:44:

In Reply to: Re : Trish's comment about "learning" about diet posted by Deb on February 18, 1999 at 17:16:01:

as kids, anyway. I never went hog wild over really sweet stuff, either. I always opted for the fruit desserts instead of the chocolate, and never liked hawaiian punch, pop (until teenage years, and I stopped as an adult), or koolaide. I did drink a ton of whole milk as a child, though.

Maybe we should let our kids eat the way they want!

trish


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But I'm also a chocoholic! (Trish/Bob)

Posted by Deb on February 19, 1999 at 15:37:38:

In Reply to: Yep, I think we already know what we should be eating... posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 14:38:44:


I agree with that in general, but...

As a child I was happy anywhere, as long as I had a book in one hand and a bar of chocolate in the other. And I'm still a chocoholic today - tho I have weaned myself off dairy milk and onto dark. It seems to me this is more likely a life-long deficiency and/or addiction than because it's actually good for me.

Bob, where does the H-G diet stand on chocolate?


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Re: Okay, some more questions...

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 16:51:05:

In Reply to: Okay, some more questions... posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 13:08:14:

Trish,

I don't know what your itching eyes might be the results of. It could be looking at a computer screen too much, it could compounded by being in an environment where the humidity is too low, you are getting older and your eyes are tearing less, it could be because you need glasses or perhaps a new prescription, it might be due to fumes from the carpet in the office you work, or the moldy papers in the files, or perhaps the ink used on the newspaper, or car exhaust, not to mention the dust/dust mites in your bedding at night.

I know a lot of these things since I used to work with seven Opthalmologists. I never EVER heard one of them suggest that your sensitive eyes could be due to leaky gut.

Having said all that, of course your itching eyes COULD be due to leaky gut -- since of course all things immunological can be tied, at least a bit, to what is happening in your gastro-intestinal system.

Just keep making notations in your diary as you test other foods and move more intensively into the Hunter-gatherer diet. You'll find that many times that you won't understand what your body is trying to tell you until you've had a few weeks of hindsight to measure against.

I'll have you do the pepto test when you are done testing foods.

No way to do the colonics at home and get the desired results. This is a specialized field that demands unique equipment and experience. I'm not saying that you have to go for it, but everyone that I know that has done it is glad they did.

Bob



I keep thinking of more questions!

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 16:56:13:

In Reply to: Re: Here's what happens when you don't plan...(by a frustrated Hunter Gatherer) posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 12:36:51:

If you say I can try "beef," does that mean ANY part of the cow? I know everyone's gonna think I'm kidding, but I love tripe soup and sauteed liver with onion. I guess I am a true hg, whether or not I'm extreme! Also does the same go for chicken - can I take that to mean chicken liver too? The Whole Foods has huge chicken livers from free range, hormone free chickens..I like to fry them with some apple slices...which brings me to yet ANOTHER question - how about olive oil and butter?

thanks for your limitless patience, Bob.
trish



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Re: I keep thinking of more questions!

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 17:12:37:

In Reply to: I keep thinking of more questions! posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 16:56:13:

Yum Yum....and I may not even be a H-G!

I assume when your table place setting is set, it is minus a fork and replaced with a spear?


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Re: But I'm also a chocoholic! (Trish/Bob)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 17:46:16:

In Reply to: But I'm also a chocoholic! (Trish/Bob) posted by Deb on February 19, 1999 at 15:37:38:

Deb,

Hello, my name is Bob and I'm a chocoholic.

"Hello Bob!"

I haven't had a piece of chocolate in 2 years........

(I found out if you waited until the end of the AA meetings that there was a 'breakout session' for chocoholics :) )

Seriously, I guess I should start by saying that chocolate is not a food -- at least certainly not a whole food. In that regard there is no room for chocolate consumption for those that are attempting to re-win their health.

I've spend a lot of time trying to understand the phenomenon of chocoholics and especially chocolate cravings amoung women at various stages of their menstrual cycle. I first thought that women with Hunter-gatherer metabolisms would be the easiest to get hooked on chocolate since their metabolism would like the high fat content. Unfortunately Agriculturist metabolisms might also like the caffeine-like boost from the cocoa.

In the end I found no discernable metabolic differences in those addicted to chocolate. I've found the social/learned component weighs in heavily on what sweets we prefer to eat.

Bob



Re: I keep thinking of more questions!

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 17:57:22:

In Reply to: I keep thinking of more questions! posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 16:56:13:

Trish,

You can test any part of any thing that is edible. Generally speaking I've found that if someone isn't allergic to the muscle meat that they won't have a sensitivity to the the liver or other organ meats. Remember however that there is a metabolic balance that must be struck and that sauteed liver will have a different effect than a rib steak due to variations in fat and purine content.

I HAVE seen folks that are sensitive to eggs that are not sensitive to their flesh -- so be sure to test these separately.

No butter for now (since it is a milk product). Go ahead and test the olive oil at your earliest convenience since it will be a staple in your cooking.

Bob


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Thanks, Bob! I've been sitting here salivating,

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 18:00:20:

In Reply to: Re: I keep thinking of more questions! posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 17:57:22:

waiting to hear back...So now I'm off to spend my Whole Paycheck...

have a great weekend!
trish



I prefer to use my hands! >:-0 NMI

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 18:02:35:

In Reply to: Re: I keep thinking of more questions! posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 17:12:37:

nmi



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