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Elimination Diet ... Big Deal!

Posted by trish on February 16, 1999 at 18:36:59:

Hello everyone.

Day 5 of the elimination diet. !! I can't believe it. I've had some pretty minor cold/flu like sypmtoms (headache, aches/pains). Some wierd travelling pains in my legs/back and some sinus drainage. A couple of days my hands were particularly sore. I'm pretty tired mostly. Slept in during my long weekend.

My digestive system seems to me to be very sluggish right now. I have had a few stomach aches - very unusual for me. I am very spaced out and depressed, too - VERY lethargic. I guess I'm experiencing an emotional withdrawal more than a physical one. I have been 100% compliant.

So far, the hardest part has been trying to come up with some variety. I made a soup from celery and 2 mackeral heads and 3 trout heads. It was really gross while it was cooking, but the broth was great with some cod chunks, carrots, zuchini and celery. I almost burned the house down making sweet potato "chips" (I use that term VERY loosely) when I forgot about them in the toaster oven while talking to a neighbor outside. I made them okay in the regular oven, along with parsnip "chips." I thought rutabagas were pretty crappy until I tried the turnips. (BLEAGH! They are item number 2 on my list of stuff I don't like to eat. That brings the total to 2.) I love fish, but it will be a long time until I feel like having it again after this. Bob allowed red meat trout which added a little color to the flesh food area. I am craving fruits and might be eating too much of that - possibly sugar withdrawal? (I boiled a peach and mushed it up and froze it for some "sorbet" and have found that pears also taste sweeter after they've been cooked a bit.) As long as I eat some fish, I seem to do better. I had a lot of celery (the only crunchy thing in this diet) last night and had a stomach ache.

I expected this to be MUCH worse. Mostly, I can't wait until I don't feel so spacey. And I can't wait to eat some beef! The wierd thing is I don't really feel any BETTER yet either.

Bob? What do you think? When will I be able to eat more food?!

Sorry this post is all over the place - like I said, I'm a bit spaced out...

be well,
trish


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Re: Elimination Diet ... Big Deal!

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 16, 1999 at 23:18:40:

In Reply to: Elimination Diet ... Big Deal! posted by trish on February 16, 1999 at 18:36:59:

Trish,

Since you really haven't cleared much I'm going to have you go at least 7 full days before testing foods from the Hunter-gatherer diet.

Don't get too depressed if you don't experience any clearing. We might find that the majority of your symptoms are metabolically related. We might also find that enteric toxins might be blocking your clearing.

Congratulations for being so creative with your meal planning. Keep eating at least 4 full meals a day and you might also limit your intake of fruit to only 1/2 of one piece at the end of a meal -- not for snacking.

Hang in there and let's see what happens on days 6 and 7.

Bob


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Okay, now it IS a big deal!

Posted by trish on February 17, 1999 at 10:06:18:

In Reply to: Re: Elimination Diet ... Big Deal! posted by Robert McFerran on February 16, 1999 at 23:18:40:

Bob!

SEVEN days? Yikes. Well, I guess it shouldn't be such a surprise - I hardly ever do anything the usual way. :-)

What are enteric toxins and how do we get rid of them?

Could I have some lamb, or would you rather I didn't?

Thanks again for all your support and help with this.

trish


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Re: Okay, now it IS a big deal!

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 17, 1999 at 13:17:57:

In Reply to: Okay, now it IS a big deal! posted by trish on February 17, 1999 at 10:06:18:

Trish,

I use the pepto-bismol test to determine if enteric toxins (primarily from gram negative bacteria) are playing a significant role in your symptoms. After you've tested foods we'll move to the pepto test.

How do you feel?

Any notice of lower edema, water weight or weight loss?

You can go ahead and add lamb.

Bob


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How I feel-

Posted by trish on February 17, 1999 at 13:35:46:

In Reply to: Re: Okay, now it IS a big deal! posted by Robert McFerran on February 17, 1999 at 13:17:57:

Okay I guess. I have not experienced any euphoric sense of clearing as I expected. I'm less tired today, definitely.

I was surprised that I didn't lose any weight until the fourth day, when I showed up 4 lbs. lighter. I haven't weighed myself since, but don't think there's a huge change since then. Also not a lot of water loss like I thought, though I may not be drinnking enough of it. I'll try to get more down.

I'm elated that I can add some lamb. I'm quite tired of FISH,FISH FISH!!!!

That bacterial thing sounds like a drag...I wouldn't be surprised if I have to deal with that, too - my diet was horrendous prior to this...

I'll keep you posted.
trish


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Bob:Please explain "gram neg.bacteria"--Cause? Symptoms? (NMI)

Posted by Jen on February 17, 1999 at 14:43:05:

In Reply to: Re: Okay, now it IS a big deal! posted by Robert McFerran on February 17, 1999 at 13:17:57:





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Re: How I feel-

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 17, 1999 at 16:39:43:

In Reply to: How I feel- posted by trish on February 17, 1999 at 13:35:46:

Trish,

From what you've told me it seems as if you are clearing slowly and also battling a bit a diet that is skewed toward the Agriculturist side when you are a Hunter-Gatherers starving for some cholesterol, fat and purine.

You can add the lamb now and then start testing as many as 3 new foods a day starting on Friday.

Don't worry about the bacterial thing -- as it's just a dimension of general dysbiosis (unbalanced intestinal flora) that we should check for.

Bob



Re: Bob:Please explain "gram neg.bacteria"--Cause? Symptoms? (NMI)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 17, 1999 at 17:04:38:

In Reply to: Bob:Please explain "gram neg.bacteria"--Cause? Symptoms? (NMI) posted by Jen on February 17, 1999 at 14:43:05:

Jen,

Lots of stuff CAN happen after leaky gut.

The first thing that is BOUND to happen is a subtle change in immunity as 'stuff' from the intestinal tract starts flowing into the bloodstream.

Our immunity is the only thing that balances the mix of micro-flora in our gut. That micro-flora includes, among other things, yeasts and bacteria. You might be surprised that there are more bacteria cells in your large intestines than the rest of the cells in your body!

Gram negative is just a broad classification used to distinguish different types of bacteria. Gram negative bacteria do not retain the violet dye when stained by Gram's method.

Bob






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