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Robert: Elimination diet and candida treatment

Posted by Sara on February 17, 1999 at 22:15:04:

Robert,

I will be starting the e-diet on the 25th. I have known for some time that I have candida, and this was confirmed by tests done in December at GSL. I have been taking grapefruit seed extract, caprylic acid and lots of acidophilous for this for some weeks now, and want to know if I continue those during the elimination diet. I know all supplements are stopped and wondered if it would include these. If not, at what point would I start taking them again?

Sara


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Re: Robert: Elimination diet and candida treatment

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 00:39:20:

In Reply to: Robert: Elimination diet and candida treatment posted by Sara on February 17, 1999 at 22:15:04:

Sara,

Yes, you should stop taking them.

The elimination diet phase lasts about a week. Testing of about 30 foods (that are appropriate for your metabolic type) will take another 10 days.

If you are pretty sure that you are an Agriculturist I would let you re-introduce the caprylic acid and GSE at the end of the elimination diet phase. If you are unsure it would be best to wait until the end of the food testing phase. Acidophillus can be re-started at the end of the testing phase also.

I don't think that you will slide back too much in your fight against yeast during these 17 days since your immunity will be MUCH improved with the removal of food allergens and the fact that you are eating whole foods exclusively.

Bob

p.s. -- If the yeast test from GSDL was a stool test I would consider it unreliable in determining if you have a candida overload.


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GSDL

Posted by Dawn G. on February 18, 1999 at 09:12:18:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Elimination diet and candida treatment posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 00:39:20:

Why do you consider the results unreliable from the stool tests? What tests do you consider reliable?


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Use of other supplements after e-diet

Posted by Sara on February 18, 1999 at 10:40:20:

In Reply to: Re: Robert: Elimination diet and candida treatment posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 00:39:20:

Bob,

You already helped me determine (back in November-December) that I'm either a H-G or Mixed. Based on my history (and the test in The Yeast Connection), my doctor already knew I had candida, but I'm curious to know why you consider the stool test from GSDL to be unreliable.

Also, concerning other supplements - when can they be started again? I will be following the list you give of supplements for H-G's. Does that list also apply if I end up being Mixed?

Sara


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Re: GSDL

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 11:59:56:

In Reply to: GSDL posted by Dawn G. on February 18, 1999 at 09:12:18:

Dawn,

I have read a lot of research on this specific subject (most done in Germany) which show that the WORST cases of candidiasis yield a negative on stool analysis.

The best test that I have found is the Candida Immune Complexes test from Antibody Assays. You can go to http://www.antibodyassay.com/candida2.htm to learn more.

Bob



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Re: Use of other supplements after e-diet

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 12:11:50:

In Reply to: Use of other supplements after e-diet posted by Sara on February 18, 1999 at 10:40:20:

Sara,

I'm going to post the supplement recommendations that Dr. Wiley suggests for Mixed types sometime today.

You shouldn't add any vitamin supplements for one month after you've moved into your appropriate metabolic diet if you are a pre-menopausal woman. We use that first month to make sure that you are not cycling. After that you can add them. I've found that approximately 25% of folks actually do better without them.

The stool test from anyone is unreliable for detecting candida overload. As I mentioned in a previous post the worst cases of candidiasis often yield a negative stool result. I prefer the test described at http://www.antibodyassay.com/candida2.htm

Bob



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Supplement recommendations for Mixed Metabolic Types

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 14:38:17:

In Reply to: Re: Use of other supplements after e-diet posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 12:11:50:

These are Dr. Wiley's recommendations (found in his book BioBalance) for Mixed Metabolic types.

Supplement Recommendations for Mixed Metabolic Types

Vitamin/Mineral Full Dose
A (palmitate) 5,000 IUís
A (fish liver oil) 10,000 IUís
D 400 IUís
C 500 mg.
E (mixed tocopherols) 400 IUís
B1 10 mgs.
B2 10 mgs.
B6 10 mgs.
B12 100 mgs.
Niacinamide 100 mgs.
Pantothenic Acid 100 mgs.
PABA 100 mgs.
Inositol 250 mgs.
Choline 250 mgs.
Calcium 500 mgs.
Phosphorous 250 mgs.
Iodine (derived from kelp) 0.15 mgs.
Potassium 200 mgs.
Magnesium 100 mgs.
Iron 15 mgs.
Copper 1 mg.
Manganese 5 mgs.
Chromium 100 mgs.
Zinc 10 mgs.




Re: GSDL

Posted by Aaron Wieland on February 18, 1999 at 19:20:43:

In Reply to: Re: GSDL posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 11:59:56:

Since Sara reported that the stool test was positive, false negatives obviously aren't a problem for her. Can the stool test also yield a false positive?

-- Aaron


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Re: GSDL

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 23:08:20:

In Reply to: Re: GSDL posted by Aaron Wieland on February 18, 1999 at 19:20:43:

Aaron,

I guess we should start off this discussion by defining what we mean by 'positive' for candidiasis.

Historically allopathic docs have required a positive test result as a reason for embarking on antifungal therapy. Docs in the know have had no such need for a 'positive' test result. If the patient's symptom set looked like candidiasis there was adequate reason to run a 'theraputic trial' of antifungals.

Some might consider the latter strategy a bit of a wild goose chase but many patients would show improvement. This methodology certainly has been derided by many allopaths and slowed the acceptance of Candida related syndrome among these professionals.

The docs in the know have been aided by the fact that nystatin is an effective antifungal that is unusually safe. If other more toxic antifungals are to be brought into the picture ALL physicians will need something more to go on than 'symptom set' before embarking on a theraputic trial.

Personally I believe that there are several levels of candidiasis that demand different strategies for their resolution. Unfortunately the stool test gives very little valuable information as to what is going on. It is essentially useless during the treatment phase when trying to evaluate the effectiveness of the therapy.

All in all the candida phenomenon has been over-simplified in both testing and treatment. A result of 'positive' should be tied to something more specific than a higher than 'normal' presence of yeast in a stool.

Bob


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Re: GSDL

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 23:21:43:

In Reply to: Re: GSDL posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 23:08:20:

I just read my own post and I didn't make my point.

I don't believe that the occurrence of higher than normal counts of candida in the stool are a POSITIVE indicator of CR-S (candida related syndrome).

A stool yeast count is a simple test that doesn't reveal the status of a much more complex problem.



Re: GSDL

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 19, 1999 at 14:02:34:

In Reply to: Re: GSDL posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 11:59:56:

Hey, Bob, here we go again (grin).

The average labs, in countries other than Africa or South America, only find less than 20% of test parasites placed in test specimens. That means that 4/5ths of specimens loaded with fungal form candida will test negative. We ALL are loaded with the inactive form (yeast)all the time. If the test is positive, it is positive but if it is negative, it dosen't mean much.

Since few laboratories enjoy haveing their inexpertise rubbed in their noses, few want to hear these statistics. Unfortunately, THEN they reach conclusions based on those erroneus results and lots of people listen to them (sigh).

Walt



Re: GSDL

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 19, 1999 at 14:21:05:

In Reply to: Re: GSDL posted by Aaron Wieland on February 18, 1999 at 19:20:43:

No competent pathologise would report a false positive.

Walt



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