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Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 18, 1999 at 16:32:13:

Robert (& others),

I plan to join Sara in starting the e-diet on the 25th. To the best of my knowledge I (like Sara) struggle with candida. A few months ago I gave you my latest blood work numbers (I'm A-type) and answered the caffeine questions, etc. At that time you said nothing was clear-cut, but you would suggest my moving to the Agriculturist-diet after running the e-diet. I think Sara will be going H-G. My diet to date has been the AJF-diet (also know as the typical American Junk Food diet), so I'm sure this new way of eating/cooking will be a huge struggle for me. (I really related to RH-Jim's accidental run-in with the "bird-food"). Looking at the 2 diets, my preferences want to be a H-G (I feel I could pretty much survive on meat alone more-so than being a vegetarian), but then again I'm ill, so no wonder my desires feel nothing for the A-diet. I'm just praying that the diet will make me feel so good I won't want to return to my old ways of eating. Other than a couple of questions that I have, this note is mainly to update you on where I'm coming from and where I'm heading to (good health, of course). I guess this note will also be my starting page in my new "Good Health Journal" (along w/ my "before" picture, and weight and inch statistics, etc.).

I presently take the following medications daily: Prozac, Trazadone, Premarin, & Allegra (my goal is to eliminate medications in the future!). From what I've learned from you, I will continue taking these medications during the e-diet. I also take anti-inflammatory and other medications when I have flareups.

I had a total hysterectomy in 1992 (if that means anything). I also feel I may be dealing with a mercury toxicity issue.

Mainly my current symptoms/problems are: extreme fatigue, hives, severe ear ringing/nosies, food allergy congestion, frequent sinus and bronchitis infections, heartburn, hiatus hernia, severe anixiety/procrastination (I could share some real tales here), memory/concentration problems, herpes (one of my "divorce treasures" he left me with!), muscle/body aches, mild arthritis, fibromyalgia, inflammation, a few small bone spurs on spine, digestive problems (frequent daily stools - usually very loose to blow-out diarrhea), endometreosis, painful knees, white spots on skin (or rather skin spots with no color), fingernail ridges, and oh yes....toe-nail fungus. Probably other things need to be listed, but this is what comes to mind when I presently think from head to toe! This is just the daily stuff I currently deal with.....there is more to list from the past few years. Granted, the fingernail ridges and skin spots don't cause me any pain/problem, but things like hives and ear ringing, etc., cause me tremendous problems.

I have been following this board daily for a little over a year "getting my education" (or getting a lot under my belt...as some would put it....I get hives if I wear a belt...hehe). I have sporadically been practicing skilled relaxation for a few months, but have not been faithful in the 2x/20mins/daily. I'm at the point where I'm ready to really take the plunge of faith. Since I know I have a lot of food allergies, I thought it best to start with the diet since the results will more rapidly appear. Here is my "Plan Of Action":

2/18 Toe-nail fungus: I'm starting the vinegar treatment. (I'll take a "before" picture for my new health journal.)
2/21 Exercise: Will dig out my 1980 (barely used) rebounder and start a 10min/2x daily routine. Rebounding and stretching is about all I can think to do with my current condition...knees/fibromyalgia. Later I'll try to add more...after I master the diet/meditation.
2/25 E-diet: Will start the Thursday night preparation and get the E-diet underway, moving to the correct metabolic diet when you say to.

After focusing on the diet for awhile and getting a routine in hand, I plan to concentrate on faithfully implementing the 20min/2x daily meditation. I will presently continue relaxation breaks, I just don't want to overload if I need to focus on the diet for awhile. I had originally thought I would start my focus on the skilled relaxation first, then add the diet later; but I would like to see up front what improvements I'll see from the diet alone.

I might add that I desire to shed 70-90 much needed pounds. These pounds were rapidly added to my structure 11 years ago when all my health problems started. A depression episode (also known as a divorce) 11 years ago was my final push over the edge of the cliff, and I've been dangling there ever since.

I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions for you as my quest begins, but at this time I have the following questions:

1. I noticed that yams, sweet potatoes, peaches and pears are candida inducing. Does this mean that I need to remove them from my e-diet?
2. Perrier Sparkling water is okay to use on e-diet?
3. I can buy, cook and eat my fish as fillets? (Unlike trish, I would appreciate leaving the head, skin and bones at the meat market).

I've tried to retain as much as possible in my education quest, but I just want to make for sure I don't have things confused before my journey begins. I think the answers are 1) yes-remove, 2) Yes, 3) Yes-fillets okay (I don't remember Beth saying it was like potatoes to be a whole food). By the way, I'm re-reviewing The Healing Power Of Whole Foods this week.

Robert, thanks so much for all that you do here! Your contributions to the board are superb. I'm sure I'll be calling on you soon.





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A note re rebounding - esp for Phyllis A

Posted by Deb on February 18, 1999 at 17:29:54:

In Reply to: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status posted by Phyllis A. on February 18, 1999 at 16:32:13:


Phyllis,

I don't remember seeing this posted in the recent thread on rebounding, but when I first got my rebounder some years ago, there was a caution with it.

Because of the profound effect it can have on your lymphatic system, they recommend that you start gradually. I don't have the book any more, but I think they said start with either 30 secs or 2 mins twice a day and gradually build up, increasing by 30secs each day. Does anyone else know about this?

With your history, you might want to start gradually, and start a bit sooner. You'd probably also want to start with what they call the health bounce. You bend your knees slightly, and bounce so gently that your feet don't lift off. As you get fitter and better, you would be able to be more energetic.

From memory, the next step would be letting your heels lift off, then bouncing gently from foot to foot. Eventually you would be able to gently jog, dance, etc.

The recent posts inspired me to get mine out too, so I've also started again gently.

Best of luck with the diet, Deb.


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Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 17:35:07:

In Reply to: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status posted by Phyllis A. on February 18, 1999 at 16:32:13:

Hi Phyllis,

The elimination diet IS the place to start. It will not only eliminate your probable food allergens, it will also give us a STRONG indication of which metabolic subset that you have inherited.

Hunter-gatherers and Mixed types will find that they are almost immediately hungry if they do not have a large portion of fish in their meals. EXTREME Agriculturists on the other hand will feel quite well on just the vegetables and fruits with perhaps fish only being used for the evening meals.

You asked:
1. I noticed that yams, sweet potatoes, peaches and pears are candida inducing. Does this mean that I need to remove them from my e-diet?

No. I would prefer that you eat them during the diet. We will deal with the candidiasis later.

2. Perrier Sparkling water is okay to use on e-diet?

Yes. Sparkling water (no extra flavors added) is fine.

3. I can buy, cook and eat my fish as fillets? (Unlike trish, I would appreciate leaving the head, skin and bones at the meat market).

Yes, fillets are fine. I am envious of Trish's cooking abilities however. Don't ask me why adding the head makes fish head soup taste so much better?!

I don't want to scare you but I do want to give you warning that withdrawl symptoms (especially during days 2 and 3) might be quite severe. It might feel like you have a bad flu bug.

It also sounds as if you do have a candida problem. If I were you I would get the Candida Immune complexes test done by Antibody Assays. If positive your doc will be able to prescribe adequate prescription anti-fungals to deal with the problem.

Bob


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Man, I can't believe how much that fish head thing got to everyone!

Posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 19:13:50:

In Reply to: Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 17:35:07:

What did everyone think soup was made from, anyway?

I'm reminded of Green Acres with Eva(?) Gabor and her hot water soup!

Phyllis, Good luck! It's not as hard as you might think - it gets boring mostly - but, I did not have the big withdrawal some people go through. It's really important to make sure you keep what you need on hand. I, too ate a lot of convenient foods before this, and had to get up early one day because I forgot to take the fish out of the freezer on time. I had to cook it in the morning. yum. Just try to PLAN ahead!

Let me know if I can help in any way.

(And Rob, I'm not sure how envious you'd be if you had to actually eat my cooking!)

The big joke was how dangerous my foray into domesticity was - I almost burned the house down and then stunk it up with fish...head...soup.

trish


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Re: A note re rebounding - esp for Phyllis A

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 10:21:24:

In Reply to: A note re rebounding - esp for Phyllis A posted by Deb on February 18, 1999 at 17:29:54:

What you said makes sense to me. I'll start out at 30 seconds and then add a little as I go. Seems like I remember buying a book about rebounding, so I'm going to search for it also. If I can't find it I'll check out the library. Thanks for the suggestions!





Fish (head) Soup

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 10:32:22:

In Reply to: Man, I can't believe how much that fish head thing got to everyone! posted by trish on February 18, 1999 at 19:13:50:

I give you an A+ for creativity....I never would have thought of such. I might get desperate enough next week to give it a try! Let me know what other types of "recipes" you tried during the elimination.



Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 11:12:06:

In Reply to: Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status posted by Robert McFerran on February 18, 1999 at 17:35:07:

I'm very curious to find out which metabolic subset is right for me. My "gut feel" is that I'm more suited for Hunter-gather or Mixed. I love meat. I can eat hamburger meat RAW (not rare, but raw...w/ a little salt). (Okay trish, now I've grossed them out more! And yes, I'm aware of e-coli...so no sermons.) Veggi meals have never done enough for me....but the real test will tell. During the e-diet should I try to restrict my fish until dinner, or does it matter?

I'm preparing for the worst of symptoms next weekend. I'm planning on staying home and I've already given planned notice for a sick day next Monday if needed. Should I check into the Antibody Assays before I begin the e-diet or wait until after I start?


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DITTO on the Hamburger, Phyllis !!! :-) NMIn

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 11:56:14:

In Reply to: Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 11:12:06:

nmi


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Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 19, 1999 at 12:45:11:

In Reply to: Re: Attn Robert: Beginning E-diet & My Current Status posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 11:12:06:

Phyllis,

The Immune Complexes test is a blood test that can be done any time. Since most offices aren't familiar with it and the results can take up to two weeks to come back I would suggest that you get the ball rolling on it sooner rather than later.

You'll have to experiment with what type of meal makes you feel best during the elimination diet. Surprisingly you'll do this spontaneously. When you don't eat enough you'll find yourself eating sooner. You'll see immediately that a larger portion of fish works better for you rather than a smaller one or no fish at all.

Bob



? for trish

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 15:30:59:

In Reply to: DITTO on the Hamburger, Phyllis !!! :-) NMIn posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 11:56:14:

DITTO = "you like raw hamburger"???

I never met another like me!


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Yep! I like it raw...

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 15:48:48:

In Reply to: ? for trish posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 15:30:59:

when I was a kid, I'd steal it from my mom while she was making burgers, put a bunch of salt on it and smush it up in my hand to blend the salt in. I still like it, but am a bit more cautious about where I buy it if I'm going to eat it like that. I also love sushi and once tried a lebanese dish called kibbi (sp?) that was ground raw lamb. It was delicious.

Phyllis, YOU ARE NOT ALONE! :-)

btw, another ediet suggestion - I used the celery tops (leaves and stems) and chopped them up pretty fine and used them like an herb- they're just a bit bitter and added some badly needed flavor to the soup, the broiled red meat trout and the cod.


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Re: Yep! I like it raw...

Posted by Kathy McEvoy on February 19, 1999 at 16:02:36:

In Reply to: Yep! I like it raw... posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 15:48:48:

Well, trish and Phyllis A., we are now a triad. Have always liked raw hamburger and definitely felt like I was the only one. Used to also snitch a little when mom's back was turned. Maybe that was a sign that I was H-G.

Kathy


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Our Little Secret Is Out!

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 16:34:11:

In Reply to: Re: Yep! I like it raw... posted by Kathy McEvoy on February 19, 1999 at 16:02:36:

Well, I thought it was only me!! I use to sneak to eat it also, but in the past couple of years I didn't try to hide it so much so I could get a few more bites! My mother and daughter can't believe their eyes! Wow, I guess none of us should ever get a job at McDonalds...they could never make a profit (well, that's not even the real stuff anyway)! In my house, two-pound meatloafs never weigh near that at the table! They shrink before they get to the oven. So I plan accordingly and just purchase more than the recipe calls for!

I've not tried any other meat raw, but the site of a cow makes my mouth drool. Due to the hamburger fact, along with my love for liver and dark meats, etc., I just thought I made more of a H-G than an Agri.


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Yes, we're just a bunch of animals!!! :-) NMI

Posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 17:45:33:

In Reply to: Our Little Secret Is Out! posted by Phyllis A. on February 19, 1999 at 16:34:11:

nmi


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The pressure is finally off to eat like a lady! NMI

Posted by Susan Mierswa on February 19, 1999 at 18:05:41:

In Reply to: Yes, we're just a bunch of animals!!! :-) NMI posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 17:45:33:


NMI



me too (four?)

Posted by Louise on February 19, 1999 at 22:32:23:

In Reply to: Yes, we're just a bunch of animals!!! :-) NMI posted by trish on February 19, 1999 at 17:45:33:

Hello, Fellow Savage Carnivores!

My dad is German and he used to eat a lot a very interesting food...

He would make a "shavofleish" (sp?) sandwich (which is German for "shaved flesh").

He would go to the butcher and get a really good piece of meat and have it ground really fine. Then he would toast a slice of thin rye bread and smear a layer of butter on it. On top of that he would smear a half inch of raw meat on the bread and top it with garlic powder and thinly sliced onions, salt and capers, if he had them (I must mention my mouth is watering as I write this) Then we would feast on it with carnivorous abandon.

It was heaven!!

He also fed me sushi when I was five years old and I have loved it ever since.

And, trish, I have had that same lamb dish and I loved it, too!

My husband, an A, and a flaming agriculturalist, just shakes his head and chuckles at me. He would never think of touching it, but thinks it is entertaining to see me ingest raw (or any) meat with such voracity.

Ah, those other farmer types will never truly understand us!

Gesundheit!
Louise





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