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diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by trish on February 24, 1999 at 18:35:50:

Howdy Bob and all!

Well, I'm still limping along adding vegetables. Really slowly...it's gettig excruciating! Asparagus tonight. I have not reacted to a single thing so far - makes me suspicious! (Hmmmm, maybe I really DON'T have LGS!)

I am still sometimes craving carbs pretty badly - should I lay off the fruit completely for awhile?

My weight has remained stable so far. :-( I guess I'm wondering what else, if anything, I should be doing/adding. I would really like to try those pumpkin seeds. Should I try any other fish? namely salmon? What about rice? I'd really like to have some rice. :-)

I guess what I'm really wondering is this: If I add just one new food at each meal, why does it matter which food I add? Knowing the answer will help me.

BTW, we went into Chicago on Monday, and I ordered a sirloin sandwich without the bread or fixin's, and steamed broccoli - when it came, the meat was seasoned with black pepper and other stuff. STILL no reaction! Yay! I am glad, but was wondering if I should still use pepper or not (sparingly of course).

Thanks as always Bob! You're an angel!
trish


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Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 24, 1999 at 19:47:37:

In Reply to: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by trish on February 24, 1999 at 18:35:50:

Trish,

Just how much fruit are you eating? You should eat no more than one piece of fruit a day if you are a H-G.

Most carbo cravings are due to having too much carbohydrate and not enough fat in your previous meal. As you get the right balance you'll see those cravings decrease during the next month.

You should test foods from the H-G diet first, then test anything that you want and in any sequence that you want. Go ahead and test rice -- but no bed of rice -- just eat it as a small side dish with your meat or fish.

It sounds as if you did o.k. with the pepper. There probably wasn't near enough fat in that meal and the broccoli was inappropriate for your metabolic type but you survived -- congratulations.

Just shows how much life can be a jungle out there for Hunter-gatherers.

Trish, you are doing everything properly but if most of your problems were metabolic you might not reap the rewards for about 3-4 months.

Bob




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Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 10:40:32:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on February 24, 1999 at 19:47:37:

Bob,

I'm eating at least one piece of fruit, sometimes two. Pears and apples. I've taken to boiling/steaming them in a bit of water, which brings out the sugar and makes almost a syrup. I can take pretty green pears and cook them down like that and they turn out very sweet. I don't add anything.

I must have missed the broccoli being inappropriate! My other choice would have been spinach with garlic and olive oil - I thought it would be bad because at that point, I had not had either spinach OR garlic.

Okay, when I try the rice, I'll be careful not to pork out on it! So what about the pumpkin seeds?

So, if my sluggishness is due to a metabolic problem, then it might be awhile until I feel better, but what about the probable candida or gram negative bacteria? I am not taking anything right now in the way of antifungals.

Thanks thanks thanks!!!

trish




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Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 11:24:03:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 10:40:32:

Trish,

When done testing foods we'll do the pepto test.

Have you gotten the Immune complexes test done by Antibody Assays? The advantage here is it not only shows where you are now with candida overload but it also shows the effectiveness of your treatment.

Forgive me, I know that we talked about this on the phone but you'll need to refresh my memory with the situation.

Go ahead and test the pumpkin seeds.

Bob


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Candida stuff.

Posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 11:48:27:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 11:24:03:

Here's the results from two tests from Antibody Assay Labs:

5/97 - Candida Immune Complexes 2.70 (should be .10 - .90)
IgG 9.0
IgA 2.0
IgM 1.0

5/98 - Canidida Immune Complexes 0.70
IgG 3.0
IgA 1.0
IgM 2.0

The second test was after an anti-candida diet and nystatin tablets, and PRIOR to my recent feasting on sugars and carbs for around six months in completely undisciplined abandon.

:-)

In august of 98 I had an indican test result of 1+.


and I am SO thrilled to try those pumpkin seeds!!!
trish


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Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on February 25, 1999 at 13:22:07:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on February 24, 1999 at 19:47:37:

Bob,

How much carb is too much in a meal for an H-G? How many asparagus spears or how much spinach go with 6-8oz of meat? Is it like the celery sticks (2) or a couple bits of carrot?

The other night I bought .87 lbs. of fresh cod thinking it would make two meals and it took the entire piece for me to feel satiated! It was so 'light'. I was hungry but that is a lot of fish.

Do you tell if you have had enough fat by the way you feel after a meal?

Ssuan


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Bob, how do you feel about microwave ovens? NMI

Posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 15:33:02:

In Reply to: Candida stuff. posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 11:48:27:

nmi



Re: Candida stuff.

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 16:10:17:

In Reply to: Candida stuff. posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 11:48:27:

Trish,

Micro-waving is not o.k. for cooking but I'm suggesting it's o.k. for warming things up. I'm saying that for convenience sake -- I really have no idea how much the microwaving hurts the food or in turn, us. It's one of those things that really needs to be studied. Personally I only use the microwave for a quick zap here and there.

We don't know much about candida but we DO KNOW that relapse rates are high -- even if you didn't feast on carbs and sugar for 6 months. In other words I think that another course of nystatin (the powder this time) is going to be indicated.

On the positive side you were able to beat the candida down pretty well last time. This time your metabolically proper whole foods diet should do an even better job.

Bob


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Thanks, Bob...

Posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 16:17:42:

In Reply to: Re: Candida stuff. posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 16:10:17:

I appreciate all of you patience... AND I'll try to leave you alone and fend for myself for the next week or so, since I see you will probably have your hands full with the E-diet Brigade! If there's anything I can do to help, let me know!

be well,
trish



Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 16:20:37:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on February 25, 1999 at 13:22:07:

Susan,

I ate about 1 1/2 - 2 lbs. of cod a day when I was on the elimination diet. I had to eat 4-5 meals to feel o.k. through the day.

As you move into the H-G diet you will have to play with 3 parameters -- purine, fat and carbohydrate to find your best mix. Usually you can tolerate more carbohydrate as the day goes on. Things like celery, spinach and asparagus are relatively low in carbohydrate content compared to carrots and parsnips. You could probably eat your fill of the celery, spinach, and celery but would have to limit the more starchy carbohydrate of those root vegetables.

For example I get in trouble if I eat more than one carrot for breakfast but can tolerate 2 carrots easily for lunch and 3 good sized carrots for dinner.

I kinda feel like an idiot telling you this stuff because of course in the end your mind/body will determine your proper balance.

You do sound like you might have a pretty EXTREME metabolism -- so start on the extreme end of the H-G diet and work your way back to the middle.

Bob


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Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by Susan Mierswa on February 25, 1999 at 17:14:54:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 16:20:37:

Bob,

Thanks, Bob.

I have been playing around with this stuff to see where I feel the best and in preparation for the e-diet. So far, in general, staying away from grains and too many carbs of any kind suits me quite well. My energy level has gone way up since doing this in the last four to six months. I am not the same person.

Did I understand correctly that Trish may not have LGS but just a metabolic adjustment to go through? Can one have candida but not LGS?

Susan


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LGS and Candida - here's what I understand...

Posted by trish on February 25, 1999 at 17:27:52:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on February 25, 1999 at 17:14:54:

Hi Susan,

Glad you're feeling better! It's great when you find what works!

According to Dr. Stoll, you can't have candida without already having LGS. Also, Susan, we know that I do have LGS as proven by an indican test, so...I think Bob is saying that my improvement will take time because some of my problems may be metabolism related. Or, lucky me, I have to deal with both of these things! :0)

be well,
trish



Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 21:29:22:

In Reply to: Re: diet progress - Bob McFerran posted by Susan Mierswa on February 25, 1999 at 17:14:54:

Susan,

I think that there are two MAJOR things that cause leaky gut. The first is hypothalamic overload. That's why skilled relaxation ALWAYS helps.

The second is eating a diet mismatched to inherited metabolism. So it would go like this:

Hypothalamic overload and/or diet mismatched to inherited metabolism will lead to leaky gut syndrome. Leaky gut syndrome will ultimately alter immunity. Altered immunity will lead to dysbiosis and ultimately candida related syndrome.

I personally believe that you cannot resolve your leaky gut without proper diet. Time and time again I find folks that have the worst cases of leaky gut that also have inherited EXTREME metabolisms. It's almost as if when someone approaches me with some chronic condition such as fibromyalgia or rheumatoid arthritis that they will be hypo-glycemic or type II diabetic (the two metabolic extremes).

Bob



Sorry, more questions!

Posted by trish on February 26, 1999 at 14:33:37:

In Reply to: Re: Candida stuff. posted by Robert McFerran on February 25, 1999 at 16:10:17:

Hi, Bob,

I have some more questions for you I'm afraid. I called my doc's office and left a message
so I'll need to know how much Nystatin Powder I should ask him for - what's the dosage
and the exact name of the powder? Oral suspension, right? Do you think I should get
another candida test right now or not?

Also, I had the pumpkin seeds; they were GREAT! Did you ever find them down there?

I had an egg for breakfast - we never mentioned them, but I've been really wanting one,
so I had one over easy with a very rare hamburger pattie. Awesome. I also bought some
salmon steaks to try for dinner. And some ground turkey thigh for another meal.
Vegetablewise, I'm pretty bored. It seems like there aren't many to choose from. I liked
collards and bitter greens, and they are not on the beneficial list. I do love artichokes, but
they were 2.49 apiece so I'm gonna wait until they're on sale. I'm concerned about trying
the lentils and beans - it's been a long time since I sort of drifted away from them - my
previous candida diet, I guess. And my ER4YT book is out on loan, but I think lentils are
an O avoid. ?

I have no food allergies so far :-) But, my eyes are still pretty bad and don't seem to be
getting better. Maybe even got a little worse.

Thanks,
trish





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Re: Sorry, more questions!

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 26, 1999 at 15:28:19:

In Reply to: Sorry, more questions! posted by trish on February 26, 1999 at 14:33:37:

Trish,

The nystatin that you need is NOT the suspension, instead it's the powder (make sure it's the powder without talc). Don't expect your doc to figure this out -- but do expect the pharmacist to know. I guess what I'm telling you is that you should call up your pharmacist and talk to them about it first. Tell them that you would be using about 2 teaspoons a day and ask them to figure out what would be needed for a month's supply.

With that information in hand you can go to your doc and basically tell him what to write on the prescription. This way you get around the problem of him being ignorant and not willing to take the time to figure it out. Then back to the pharmacist for the prescription. Keep your fingers crossed that your insurance company doesn't flag it and pooh-pooh the whole deal. It's happened to me more than once.

In my book I recommend that you start at 1/2 of one teaspoon per day and build over the course of 3 weeks to a dose of 2 1/2 teaspoons per day. You might be able to accelerate that IF you don't have a very bad herximer reaction.

You should take the total dose in three to four divided doses in between meals.

I think another blood test might be useful after you've been on the nystatin powder for 3 months. Once again be sure that your doc gives you a prescription for at least 3 months. Let him know your strategy about coming back for a blood test at that time.

For now I'm blaming your eyes on the yeast (only because I don't know what else to blame it on).

Good luck with the lentils and beans. Remember not too much at one sitting.

Bob

Bob




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Trish - beans & kentils & O's

Posted by Deb on February 26, 1999 at 15:49:48:

In Reply to: Sorry, more questions! posted by trish on February 26, 1999 at 14:33:37:

Trish,

Lentils, navy beans & kidney beans are Avoids for O's
Pinto beans, black eyed peas/beans & aduke/adzuki beans are HBs

Deb


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Oops, I meant Beans & lentils (NMI)

Posted by Deb on February 26, 1999 at 15:52:09:

In Reply to: Trish - beans & kentils & O's posted by Deb on February 26, 1999 at 15:49:48:


NMI = no message inside



Hey, thanks a lot, Deb! I KNEW you meant lentils :-) NMI

Posted by trish on February 26, 1999 at 15:58:20:

In Reply to: Trish - beans & kentils & O's posted by Deb on February 26, 1999 at 15:49:48:

nmi :-)



Thanks, it's in the works...

Posted by trish on February 26, 1999 at 18:42:40:

In Reply to: Re: Sorry, more questions! posted by Robert McFerran on February 26, 1999 at 15:28:19:

I think my doc went for it - he's VERY progressive. I will get the Nystatin at the pharmacy and start right up on it. My only concern is the nurse didn't really let me tell her about the amount. We went back and forth the last time about the dosage. He said he'd had good results with the amount he had prescribed to me (500,000 U 4X/day) and sort of just left it at that. I must admit, though, we did knock it out with that plus the diet - you see the test results. And I did have a herximer reaction - fairly bad - for about a week when I first started the tablets. I suppose that I can expect the same thing this time, or worse?

At any rate, I too, am suspecting the yeast is what's been keeping me from really having a breakthrough here, AND making my eyes flare up.

Well, I'm off to fight the yeast battle!

Thanks for all you do, Bob. I may be in touch this weekend.

trish



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Re: Thanks, it's in the works...

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 27, 1999 at 11:59:16:

In Reply to: Thanks, it's in the works... posted by trish on February 26, 1999 at 18:42:40:

Hi, trish.

Just wanted to be sure there is no misunderstanding about the nystatin powder.

The average dose is 750,000 units 4 times a day on an empty stomach. Each manufacturer has a different number of units per volume and even a different number of units for each batch. It should say, right on the lable, how many units in how much volume----in THAT bottle.

Also, notice that this is an EXTREMELY fine powder. The volumes are figured on a NON-PACKED MEASURE. This is one reason why some docs mix up the powder in distilled water BEFORE dispensing it. It is a lot easier to get the right dose that way.

Walt


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Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s)

Posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 16:51:04:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks, it's in the works... posted by Walt Stoll on February 27, 1999 at 11:59:16:

Robert says, "In my book I recommend that you start at 1/2 of one teaspoon per day and build over the course of 3 weeks to a dose of 2 1/2 teaspoons per day. You might be able to accelerate that IF you don't have a very bad herximer reaction.

You should take the total dose in three to four divided doses in between meals."

So... are you guys in agreement or what? :-) I guess I'll find out when I get the stuff. The doctor's office called it in for me, but the pharmacy has to special order it, so it won't be in until Monday. Again,I'm not sure what kind of dose the doc prescribed, since I didn't speak directly with him. Hopefully, I'll get the right stuff in the right amount.

Also, I'm supposed to mix it with water and swish it around in my mouth before drinking it, right?

Thanks again for your help!

trish


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Re: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 19:20:28:

In Reply to: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s) posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 16:51:04:

Trish,

I think what Walt was trying to say is that the theraputic dose is 750,000 units taken 4 times a day. There is some batch to batch variation in how many units are in each teaspoon so you'll probably have to do a little math to figure out, volumetrically speaking, what sized teaspoon (i.e. - 1/8th, 1/4th, etc.) you should mix with the water and then slosh thru your mouth.

Not to turn you off the nystatin, but I think that you'll find that taking the powder is pretty much the equivalent of eating dirt.

Bob


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Oh, good-I can hardly wait. I love dirt. Thanks, Bob! (NMI)

Posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 19:33:56:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s) posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 19:20:28:

nmi




Re: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 28, 1999 at 10:38:02:

In Reply to: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s) posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 16:51:04:

Dear trish,

Depending on what it says on the bottle (insist on getting the bottle it came in) Bob & I are in agreement.

Also, IF you can figure out how to measure this powdery stuff without packing it in the measuring spoon, you can just take the powder. It does work better if you swish it around in the mouth for a few minutes to get the stuff growing around your gums.

You can't take too much of this stuff. The problem is the expense. Ten million units don't seem to work better than 750,000 units but it is non-toxic so I wouldn't worry about taking too much.

Walt




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For Trish: Inquiring minds want to know?

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 28, 1999 at 13:58:09:

In Reply to: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s) posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 16:51:04:

Trish, Since I am dealing with similar issues... just curious how much does the stuff cost anyway?
All the best,
Denise

PS: I am storing up my fish heads and planning a broth when I get my courage up. Thanks for the inspiration


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Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI

Posted by trish on March 01, 1999 at 15:41:39:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks Walt, but now I have another question(s) posted by Walt Stoll on February 28, 1999 at 10:38:02:

nmi


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Hey Denise - don't know yet - I'll tell you tomorrow about cost

Posted by trish on March 01, 1999 at 15:43:59:

In Reply to: For Trish: Inquiring minds want to know? posted by Denise Wyrick on February 28, 1999 at 13:58:09:

I'm hoping my insurance will pick it up. Good luck with the roly poly soup!

Give that baby llama a big hug for me!

trish



Re: Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 01, 1999 at 17:52:28:

In Reply to: Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI posted by trish on March 01, 1999 at 15:41:39:

Trish,

Don't try it dry. Mix it with about 1/2 cup of water.

Still tastes like dirt though...........

Bob


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Egads! That was close...thanks Bob! NMI

Posted by trish on March 01, 1999 at 18:04:31:

In Reply to: Re: Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI posted by Robert McFerran on March 01, 1999 at 17:52:28:

nmi



Re: Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 02, 1999 at 11:51:41:

In Reply to: Re: Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI posted by Robert McFerran on March 01, 1999 at 17:52:28:

Dear trish,

My memory may be failing me but, as I recall, the product that I used in practice had 750,000 units in about 1/4 teaspoon of the fluffy powder.

I tried taking it every way I could think of so as to know what to tell my patients. I found that taking it dry was MY preferred approach.

However, for my patients (to resolve the measurement problems) I mixed up a month's supply in a pint of distilled water for them to keep in the refrigerator. They had to shake it thoroughly before pouring out each dose and I think about a teaspoon of that mixture was about the right dose.

Every person will have a different preference and, if cost is no object, do what tastes the least like dirt (sigh).

Walt


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NYSTATIN...

Posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 14:13:56:

In Reply to: Re: Wait! You mean take it DRY??!! No wonder Bob says it tastes like dirt! NMI posted by Walt Stoll on March 02, 1999 at 11:51:41:

Here's what I got from my pharmacy...Nystatin USP. Has to be refrigerated. It's a fluffy yellow powder and came with its own measuring scoop that's really flat so the powder won't pack. The scoop has a measure on each end; one is 1/8 tsp. the other 1/4 tsp. The bottle states that 1/8 tsp. is approximately 500,000 units, so I'm using a rounded 1/8 tsp. My doc onlyy prescribed 500,000 4x / day, but the pharmacy guy didn't want to try figuring it out! I got lucky, I guess, cause I'm sure they'll refill it when I ask them.

The bottle was $88.02. My insurance covered it. Pharmacy guy guestimated it was a 75ish day supply. I haven't sat donw to figure it out yet.

It tastes like aspirin to me - kind of bitter and dry. Not as good as dirt.
trish


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More on NYSTATIN...Walt/Bob...

Posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 18:31:30:

In Reply to: NYSTATIN... posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 14:13:56:

Gentlemen:

I got a 150,000,000 (150 million) unit bottle of this stuff. I figured if I take what the doc prescribed, it will last 75 days, if I take what is suggested here, 50 days. In either case, I will have to refill this prescription, and they will order a new bottle for me...so I will continue to use a rounded 1/8 teaspoon four times a day, which I figure to be around 750,000 units. Yum.

I don't think I could do it dry, Walt...you're a brave man!

Bob, so far, no herximer (sp?) reaction but it's only been a day. I'm expecting something because of my previous experience with the tablets. Do I need to do anything more with my diet during this, or just keep adding new foods as I have been. I wouldn't want to mistake a food allergy for a nystatin reaction... ?

Thanks all for your help!

trish


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Re: More on NYSTATIN...Walt/Bob...

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 21:28:35:

In Reply to: More on NYSTATIN...Walt/Bob... posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 18:31:30:

Trish,

Since you are changing two things at once it would be difficult to tell if you were reacting to a food or having a herximer reaction.

You could do one of three things.

Keep taking the nystatin and keep your fingers crossed while you are testing foods.

Stop testing foods for 3 days to be sure you aren't seeing any herximer reaction from the nystatin.

Stop the nystatin until you are done with testing.

I remember once when I was leaving the house and I didn't have time to mix it up in the water -- so I just tossed some of the powder in my mouth (about a quarter teaspoon). As I was getting in my car my neighbor started asking me something about a UPS delivery and I was trying to answer when I inhaled. You might guess what happened next. I started choking a little and then gave out a big cough and out came this yellow cloud.

That's the last time the neighbor talked to me for a while....

Bob


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How to proceed?

Posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 10:20:56:

In Reply to: Re: More on NYSTATIN...Walt/Bob... posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 21:28:35:

Bob...Why didn't we think of this earlier? :-(

I think I will stop testing new foods. My concern is that the last time I had the herximer reaction (when I took the tablets), it lasted 5 days or maybe even more! I really felt pretty bad, too.

So far, (this is my second nystatin day), no bad feelings, although I am starting to feel a bit spacey.

I will keep you posted.
trish


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Re: NYSTATIN... (sifting flour)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 03, 1999 at 12:49:58:

In Reply to: NYSTATIN... posted by trish on March 02, 1999 at 14:13:56:

Hi, trish.

Sounds like you got the right stuff.

I have to mention, though, that I have never seen a successful technique for preventing packing in the measuring spoon.

Gently turn the spoon you are using upside down on a flat surface. If it holds its shape, it is packing and your measure in inaccurate. Since you can't take too much (other than costing you money) but you can take too little........

It is sort of like measuring flour without sifting it into the measureing cup.

About 20% of people taking only 500,000 units will be unsuccessful BECAUSE the dosage is not sufficient for what you are trying to treat.

Walt



p.s.

Posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 12:54:45:

In Reply to: Re: More on NYSTATIN...Walt/Bob... posted by Robert McFerran on March 02, 1999 at 21:28:35:

I love your story about the neighbor. I know what you mean, too about inhaling this powder. It stays with you all day! When it's suggested that nystatin be taken "between meals" what exactly does that mean? How long before/after I eat constitutes "between"?

I ask because, as you may recall, I am a muncher, especially on weekends. I've been trying to figure out a good schedule - 6am, 11am (I eat lunch at 11:30am) 6pm (eat dinner around 6:30-7), and 10:30pm? I could probably make the last dose at 11pm if I'm not too tired. My concern is the between meals snacks of celery or carrots or pumpkin seeds. What if my stomach is not empty?

Also, I think I'm gonna finish off the fruit I currently have in my posession (a couple of pears, a couple of apples and a peach) and stop eating fruit for awhile. Is that overkill? The only thing I'd like to test is avocado. I love that and missed it on the O diet!

Thanks as always!
trish


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Re: How to proceed?

Posted by Robert McFerran on March 03, 1999 at 14:13:14:

In Reply to: How to proceed? posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 10:20:56:

Trish,

Most folks I would have just told to wait until after testing foods to begin the nystatin BUT since you already started and you didn't seem to have much of a reaction I gave you more options.

It's funny how time flies as the months rolls by and we keep telling ourselves that we are going to do something (i.e. the elimination diet and subsequent food testing).

THEN time almost comes to a standstill (as you and the other e-dieters can attest) when you are actually doing the diets.

I think that if you were going to have an extreme reaction to the nystatin that it would have happened already so you might go back to testing foods on Thursday or Friday.

Time slows down again when doing the anti-candida therapies since it takes about 3 - 6 months to see significant improvement.

We need a time machine........

Bob



Re: p.s. (Nystatin) (ADSORB)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 1999 at 11:24:29:

In Reply to: p.s. posted by trish on March 03, 1999 at 12:54:45:

Hi, trish.

An hour before or two hours after a meal.

The reason for this is that, as you know, Nystatin is not absorbed into the blood stream. It is, however, aDsorbed onto anything in the intestinal canal and when aDsorbed is not as available to treat the fungus. Food is the most common stuff that can aDsorb the Nystatin.

Walt


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THANKS SO MUCH, WALT! Now I'm off to do battle! NMI

Posted by trish on March 04, 1999 at 17:45:49:

In Reply to: Re: p.s. (Nystatin) (ADSORB) posted by Walt Stoll on March 04, 1999 at 11:24:29:

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