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Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 09:41:37:

Good morning all, I feel much better after a very good night's rest. I had a bit of a collapse last evening when I discovered that I had run out of alfalfa. No I wasn't going to eat it myself.. but the pregnant and young llamas get it as a supplement to their regular fare. WELL this little one who also happens to be recently orphaned is quite accustomed to getting her evening reward. So last night she was looking at me pitifully saying "well where is it?" I thought that I was going to have an insurrection on hand as her older sister got in on the act too. It was just the icing on the cake for me and my energy level crashed. I felt so bad for the little darling. Now mind you she is not going to starve, they have brome hay that they can do very well with. This is just additional protein for them... and it was not nearly the crisis that it became in my mind last night. I suppose you might say that I was particularly empathic with my own need for something special to eat.

I was extremely foggy last evening. I have developed a new and different pain. It is kind of hard to describe but I will give it a try. Imagine the muscle that you use in your upper arm (biceps) that is connected to the muscle in your finger that you use when you click the right mouse button. Well that little sucker got a good work out yesterday with me trying to log on to the computer. When I raised my right arm to put away dishes in the cupboard it made me wince. That has been my worst complaint, other than the fact that I covet chocolate and couldn't think straight last night. I feel more clear this morning.

I need to go out for more supplies. The fish supply that I thought would last for 5 days was enough for 1 1/2 day. So I am going fishing this pretty soon. I put some birch essential oil on the sore arm and it seems to have helped. I also felt energetic enough to do some gentle yoga. My SR last evening was interrupted by a gurgling stomach and a trip to the ladies room if you get my drift. I think the magesium citrate has lost its potency thank goodness.

I hope everyone is doing well. And Bob thank you for checking in on us all, you are a good sport to say the least.

Denise


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Whoops perhaps I exaggerated about the brain fog being better today (NMI)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 09:54:37:

In Reply to: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2) posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 09:41:37:


Sorry about posting that twice



Good morning E-dieters (day 2)

Posted by Sara on February 27, 1999 at 11:15:16:

In Reply to: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2) posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 09:41:37:

Good morning ladies (and Robert if your reading this)!

Had a real rough evening (chocolate cravings), and am glad I went to bed early to kind of "sleep it off." I woke up this morning feeling muscle aches and joint pain, and the headache is still with me (from last night). Had a nice breakfast of cod and zucchini (still can't believe I'm eating fish for breakfast - don't even usually EAT breakfast, and the thought of having fish really turned my stomach before I started on this trek). The cod really tastes good in the morning, but I think tonight for dinner I'll have to have some trout. I just feel like (with dinner and after) I'm not getting satisfied; like I need more fat.

I can't believe how good turnips are, and zucchini too. These are vegetables that I haven't had in years, and they taste great (can't believe what I've been missing). Although I have discovered that I really don't care for celery, cooked or otherwise.

The mag. citrate finally seems to have completed it's mission, and I am finding that the SR is really helping me through the trying times on this diet. Glad to hear you're feeling better this morning Denise - hope Johnelle and Phyllis are doing okay. Check in when you can guys!

Sara


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Re: Good morning E-dieters (day 2)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 11:23:22:

In Reply to: Good morning E-dieters (day 2) posted by Sara on February 27, 1999 at 11:15:16:

Sara and other E-Dieters,

Today and tommorrow might be pretty rough from the standpoint of increasing fatigue, headache and other aches and pains. My best recommendation is just to try and sleep through it.

Bob



Re: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2)

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 27, 1999 at 11:44:50:

In Reply to: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2) posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 09:41:37:

I'm here, but that is about all. Last night was getting rough. I came in from work very sleepy and hungry, and had HUGE chocolate cravings. After making a run for my daughter I was finally able to come in and fix dinner. I fixed a large plate of food, including trout baked w/ carrots/celery, and I boiled a mixture of ruta., zuch, and even a little peach. I sat down with my huge plate of food and started eating. Let's just say it seemed so yucky. After putting a small dent into it, I just decided to refrigerate the rest and go to bed. I feel like I might just starve before eating so bland a diet.

This morning I awoke feeling just blah. Nothing really hurting, but just don't feel like much. I sauteed some pears in water and ate a few for breakfast. I really just want my chocolate, bread, pasta and all that other stuff. I know that satan is really testing me....my local neighborhood girl scout just delivered the 10 boxes of cookies I ordered the first of January (obviously thinking they would be here before my diet began). Now here I sit with huge chocolate cravings and a box of Thin Mints. Life just is not always FAIR.

Do I remember correctly that we can cook with regular tap water?


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Good afternoon Ladies & Bob

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 14:22:24:

In Reply to: Good morning E-dieters (day 2) posted by Sara on February 27, 1999 at 11:15:16:

Well as usual I have had too many irons in the fire so I didn't eat my breakfast fish until noon. I was pretty hungry at that point but don't really feel too fatiqued, more spacey than anything. I went to the 2 big groceries and they are running low on fish :-( I cleaned them out of trout. They can special order Mackerel and can have it by Wed. Bob would it be wise to order it just in case I need to continue with the safe foods? I could use the variety. Ladies, try some parsnips... they aren't chocolate but they are very tasty.
All the best,
Denise (in the heartland)


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Re: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 14:40:12:

In Reply to: Re: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2) posted by Phyllis A. on February 27, 1999 at 11:44:50:

Phyllis,

You should probably use Spring water but I've had people cook and steam with tap water that seemed to do o.k. Generally speaking the problem with tap water is chlorine -- and a subsequent sensitivity to it. Boiling gets rid of the chlorine within minutes.

Bob



Re: Good afternoon Ladies & Bob

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 14:42:50:

In Reply to: Good afternoon Ladies & Bob posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 14:22:24:

Denise,

I would go ahead and order it. Who knows, it might become a staple of your diet in the future?

Bob


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Thanks Bob (NMI)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 14:49:43:

In Reply to: Re: Good afternoon Ladies & Bob posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 14:42:50:


NMI



HHEEELLLOOOOO! (my best Mrs. Doubtfire)

Posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 16:59:29:

In Reply to: Rise and Shine E Brigade (day 2) posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 09:41:37:

Glad to see you are all still with us! I had to come in to work, so of course had to check in here to see if you all survived the first whole day of the dreaded e-diet. Seems all is working out all right despite the chocolate withdrawals...I myself had (have) cravings for sweet wheat products, bread or gooey dessert type stuff.

Well, you got past the VERY HARDEST PART. Starting it. Only four more days after today. See? It's really not that long.

At least you should be able to look forward to feeling SO MUCH better after this initial yucky part. I am unfortunatly still feeling pretty blah - presumably from my millions of little pet candida friends, who I so graciously fed with their favorite foods for so long...But I have a surprise for them...

Anyway, I wish you all smooth sailing! Can't wait to see how well you all do!

bye for now,
trish



How do you fix parsnips?

Posted by Phyllis A. on February 27, 1999 at 18:04:51:

In Reply to: Good afternoon Ladies & Bob posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 14:22:24:

How are you preparing the parsnips? That's one of the foods I have not fixed yet. Someone said they were good roasted, but I haven't tried it. I find that I'm just starving myself and not eating. I sauteed pears this morning but ate less than 1 pear. For lunch I heated up last night's dinner and nibbled at the fish. Snacked on a couple of carrot sticks this afternoon. The thought of eating this again tonight is driving me crazy. I've pretty much spent the day on the couch....starving!


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Fixing parsnips and ending Day 2

Posted by Sara on February 27, 1999 at 18:57:28:

In Reply to: How do you fix parsnips? posted by Phyllis A. on February 27, 1999 at 18:04:51:

Phyllis & everyone,

My cookbook said to wash them, then cut them in strips or slices, and add to boiling water & cook for 30 minutes. I just did that for dinner, and I thought they were overcooked (turned out mushy), but they tasted okay. I only ate a small portion, because they just didn't appeal to me that much. However, I ate a whole pound of trout (broiled) and savored every bite! It just tasted so good I couldn't stop, until I had finished all that I had fixed. I think I'm actually eating MORE on the e-diet than I usually do (I don't usually eat breakfast, and sometimes skip lunch). Maybe I won't lose any weight after all!

I must say that pretty much everything tastes WONDERFUL (although that could have to do with the fact that I quit smoking again on Monday). I'm still achy and sore, STILL have that headache, and started feeling kind of spacey this afternoon. But we've almost come to the end of Day 2 now (1/3 of the way) - I think we're doing great and should be proud of ourselves!

And Robert, thank you so much for being there for us. Your help is GREATLY appreciated!

Sara


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You can boil 'em...

Posted by trish on February 27, 1999 at 18:58:39:

In Reply to: How do you fix parsnips? posted by Phyllis A. on February 27, 1999 at 18:04:51:

Or, bake them. You can mash 'em up like potatoes (no butter yet), but they'r a lot sweeter.

Phyllis, I'm worried about you... I hope those cookies don't come get you in the middle of the night! Hopefully, the pears will stave that off. You sound like me, going for the sweet stuff. Did you say you have candida?

Maybe you could try baking the roots - it keeps more of their texture and they're not quite so mushy. Also, I would recommend broiling for the trout/mackerel, unless you're baking in a pretty hot oven. You don't want to cook the heck out of fish, and if you do, they're dry and tasteless. The cod was better baked covered to keep in the moisture. You could even bake some fish with pear slices on top of it, maybe that will give you a little more flavor.

Are you using enough salt? I found I needed to salt everything more than usual. When I started getting sick of fish, I put more salt on it! Funny, eh, but somehow that helped. I ate a lot of celery and carrots because of the crunch.

The last thing that comes to mind is that it sounds like you're letting this get to you. This doesn't have to be fun necessarily; it's only for a short time. Eat for fuel, not for the experience. If you're starving, grab a hunk of something and eat it! Don't make a big deal out of the taste or the process - just eat and move on. Try some stuff cold, maybe you will like it better that way.

I tried to make up different ways to fix things, but basicaly we all have to eat the same boring stuff on this diet.

Just some hopefully helpful ramblings...

trish




Re: How do you fix parsnips?

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 19:29:41:

In Reply to: How do you fix parsnips? posted by Phyllis A. on February 27, 1999 at 18:04:51:

Phyllis,

I just wanted to jump in here and let you know that not eating much of anything is o.k. if we are pretty sure that you are an Agriculturist. Just keep drinking plenty of water and you will be fine.

If you think there is a chance that you might be a Mixed or H-G you need to start eating meals that consist of the vegetables and fish with only a little bit of fruit (1/2 of a piece at the end). There is a danger that you won't get the desired feedback about your inherited metabolism if you just eat one or two things.

Bob



parsnips and ending Day 2 (in Kansas)

Posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 20:30:15:

In Reply to: Fixing parsnips and ending Day 2 posted by Sara on February 27, 1999 at 18:57:28:

Hi friends, About those parsnips... I didn't read the cookbook :-) so I have LIGHTLY steamed them, baked them, and eaten them raw. I can't wait to grow my own. No wonder yours weren't appealing Sara, 30 minutes of cooking time and every redeeming nutrient has been cooked out of those babies. I'm going to become the parsnip poster girl... try them not cooked so much and perhaps your experience might be somewhat better. I hope so.. cause we need all the variety we can get, eh?

Bob, I must be strange but I feel better today than I did yesterday. I will admit that I pushed myself in not getting any food in me until noon, but all in all I feel pretty good. Now I'm not my usual self because I am hungry... and my knees ache slightly. But I have also been very busy today and it feels more like achiness from being on my feet too long. Perhaps I need to be talking more with you about my history. I received my copy of BioBalance in the mail today so will start reading that this evening. From what I have observed from reading the archives etc. I would guess me to be H-G or mixed. I am sorry to admit that I have not been able to ferret out how you distinguish the difference between the 2... I would love it if I were mixed and could have some lettuce on occasion. Anyway, I definitely would not say that I have had an escalation of symptoms, other than the strange glitch in my arm (that is much better now thank you very much). So let me know if you want any more history or information from me. You are very appreciated.
Denise

ps: Phyllis, I second what Trish said. I hope you are not getting too down with this experience, you need to keep your strength up. And Johnelle how was your trout cooked along side those Omaha steaks? Hang in there gang...we're GRREAAAATTTT for doing this


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Re: parsnips and ending Day 2 (in Kansas)

Posted by Robert McFerran on February 27, 1999 at 22:15:20:

In Reply to: parsnips and ending Day 2 (in Kansas) posted by Denise Wyrick on February 27, 1999 at 20:30:15:

Denise,

I'm glad that you're still feeling pretty good. It will be interesting to see what the next couple of days hold. As I have mentioned, there are folks that have very little withdrawal, yet they do have appreciable clearing. Others like Trish seem to have some withdrawal and very little clearing (usually due to complications from something like candida albicans).

We haven't talked much about Mixed types since I don't see them very often in the population of folks that are chronically ill. Folks that are chronically ill tend to have inherited EXTREME metabolisms. That is a MAJOR thesis of what I'm suggesting in my book. I have seen some sick Mixed types but that is generally because they are trying to eat in an EXTREME fashion -- usually vegetarian.

The last Mixed type that I found was a young woman who had a Lebanese mother and a French father. She was eating pretty much what she wanted but that tended to be toward the light side of things with plenty of salads and pastas and some occassional fish and meat.

I knew that she routinely drank one cup of coffee in the morning -- half decaf and half regular coffee. She would get jittery if she had much more than that. Given that I suggested she start on the H-G side of things. She started eating the purine rich dark meats and vegetables and happily reported a day later that she felt a big increase in energy. Two days after that she called and said that something was wrong. Within 48 hours she had gone from feeling energetic to feeling like a slug! To make matters worse she was eating all this heavy food and she still felt hungry.

I told her to move away from the EXTREME and try the Mixed diet. She was surprised that within 48 hours she had regained her high energy level. Since then she has found that if she doesn't eat meat a couple of times a day that she starts to lose it (her energy level).

From this example you can see where she was eating an overly 'light' diet. When she started eating the H-G foods she induced a metabolic shift. For a short time she was at her 'optimal' but then as she continued to eat the H-G diet she 'shifted' right past her optimal. By eating the Mixed diet she was able to move 'back toward the middle' and find her optimal -- what Dr. Wiley referred to as BioBalance.

Bob



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